john obrien

Some recent posts have led me to some important understandings.
The post asking about bromocriptine reminded me that about 4-5 years ago I
was using bromocriptine for energy, (I have MS) and decided to quit because
of
a couple scary incidents with nausea and dizziness. I learned now that this
is not
uncommon but more importantly I remembered that I have also been having
almost
no effects from Viagra or Yohimbine lately.
WHY?
Well, I asked for and got prescriptions for Dexedrine about 6 months ago,
again for
energy (as well as weight loss). I got what I asked for; weight loss, and
enough energy
over the Summer to build decks, alone, in my back yard. I was able to
tolerate the heat,
thanks to another alternative drug, low dose naltrexone.

So, I finally remembered that using amphetamines can reduce or eliminate ***
responses/drive
and when I visited my neurologist yesterday, she confirmed that. (She had
to look it up).
Anyhow now I am going to drop the Dexie's and start to use Bromocriptine
again in hopes
that things will get back to near normal.

Lesson; maybe some of you who are having trouble reacting to
Viagra/Levitra/Cialis et al
may be taking some other substance which is rendering them ineffective.
Check into it.

John

wanderer

If you've got a doctor that prescribed dexedrine to give you more energy, you
really need to find a new doctor, dude. Seriously.

Wanderer

john obrien

It was by my request since none of her other standby pep medications ever
work.
I also wanted to lose some weight.
John

richard smith

Well once you lose the weight you might want to consider getting and staying
in shape enough to not need meds to maintain a "normal" basal metabolic
function.

Richard

hh

I think the original post referred to MS . . and in that context the
somewhat smug replies re "getting a new Dr" and keeping fit could be seen
as at best thoughtless and at worst offensive.

I have a condition which causes me chronic pain - a form of rheumatoid
arthritis - and life is a constant juggling act between getting the right
amount of pain relief, anti-inflammatory drugs, the ability to maintain an
erection and have a decent quality of life: it is not just a simple case of
"staying
in shape enough to not need meds to . . ". Weight is part of that and I
have mine under control, no problem but my heart goes out to another guy who
is chronically ill with MS and ALL that those two awful words imply. There
are days when I struggle to move for the first hour and half/two hours after
waking after poor quality sleep[pained!] . . any "simple" suggestions
about Drs and pain meds?

HH

wanderer

My "smug" reply was to the point. If you are being treated for MS and a
doctor is prescribing dexedrine, it really is time to find a new doctor.
Dexedrine is one of the most poisonous, addictive drugs on earth. It is one
of the purest forms of amphetamine, otherwise known as crank, and has spawned
legions of hollow-eyed speed freaks whose lives and health have been ruined
by the drug. In most places, it is a highly controlled substance, and most
legitimate doctors would simply refuse to prescribe it, for anything. I have
personal experience of it, since prescription forms were widely available in
the sixties, before the tremendously dangerous side effects of the drug were
well understood. Dexedrine certainly has no place in the treatment of MS,
whether the patient requests it or not. If you know otherwise, please point
me to the medical abstract.

Unfortunately, I have no "simple" suggestions for your present situation. I
am no stranger to pain, medication, or medical intervention, but I have
probably not experienced the kind of chronic pain you describe. In solving my
own medical problems, what has always worked for me is doing my own research
into potential solutions, and finding the right doctor, even if that doctor
is in a distant city. When a doctor seems confused by a medical issue, or
prescribes inappropriate medications, or doesn't seem to remember who I am
from visit to visit, I move on quickly. Solving medical problems usually
involves a collaboration between doctor and patient. You have to find someone
whose medical judgement you trust, and keep up your end of the bargain by
taking responsibility for your own course of treatment.

And by the way, sometimes "smug" but honest and heartfelt advice is better
than all the commiserating in the world.

Wanderer

hh

Try Google . . "MS + dexedrine" . . it's use is known and approved
of in various circles re MS where lassitude and debilitation are hardly
unknown . . and since MS is not infrequently life-threatening in its
course, I still see your comments in the same way: somewhere between
thoughtless and offensive.

HH

someone

jack frost

I think HH was referring to Richard rather than to you. I also think
Richard was out of line.

john obrien

As was pointed out by HH, Dexedrine is not an uncommon drug for use with MS.
It is not commonly prescribed by most neurologists because it is mostly a
pain in the
ass for them because they have to give us a new script every month. It is a
strong
central nervous system stimulant and as such, what most of us with MS really
need.

I am not really "Out of shape". I was up to about 195 lbs and thought it
would be
a good idea to lose some. I exercise regularly in water and swim, which is
what is
best for us with MS. I'm a former distance runner and still have strong
legs as a
result of the 50 + miles a week.

I'm also 61 years old and still have a strong *** drive, smooth skin, blond
hair and all
my teeth. If you can say the same when you are 61 then get back to me, smart ass.

John

hh

WELL SAID, SIR!!!!

HH
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