gordon

I remember reading this and i could not believe how one of the the top
moonie leaders Michael Jenkins can stand there and blatantly lie so
that they can decieve and manipulate people and they believe its
allright to do this and the moonies wonder why they have a bad
reputation for lying,decieving and misleading people and accuse people
of persecuting them,Rev.Moon is obviously trying to gain acceptance and
win over christianity but why does he not forget about whether he is
the messiah or not and just be a great leader of leaders and everyone
would automaticaly follow him because he would be a great leader just
like the way people follow pop stars and movie stars.

http://www.usasurvival.org/ck7502.shtml
Article in the Washington Times july 2002 claiming Rev.Moon is the
Messiah,then one of the top moonie leaders Michael Jenkins blatantly
denies that they believe Rev.Moon is the Messiah.

I remember back in the 1970s when Rev.Moon was touring stadiums in the
USA that a reporter asked Rev.Moon ARE YOU THE MESSIAH and Rev.Moon
would not answer yes or no,he just said everyone has to become a
messiah,Rev.Moon probably said that back then because he did not want
to scare off the christian church's but he should of said that he is
the Messiah thats if its true then the secular society probably would
of showed more interest in him insted of wasting his time trying to
attract and win over dying christianity.

Gordon Muir.

josef oswald

Earth-Date: 2005-08-12
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Gordon answered:


Message-ID: <1123785193.191352.295140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>
Subject: Top Moonie Denies Moon's Messiahship !

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Concerning the title of "Messiah" the Unification teaching affirms the
biblical concept of the Hebrew term for "Messiah" , Messias meaning
"anointed one". Unification teaching affirms that Rev. Moon has received
the anointing of Jesus and stands in a messianic role as "True Parents."
Unification teaching also affirms that the "anointing" or messianic role
is also conveyed to other pastors and leaders who, if called by God, take
up the cross and follow Jesus. Rev. Michael Jenkins

</unquote>

Excuse me Gordon, I can't see any denial of the Messiah-ship of Rev.Moon
in the above, care to point out to me what part of: Unification teaching
affirms that Rev. Moon has received the anointing of Jesus and stands in
a messianic role as "True Parents." you see as *denying the Messiah-ship
of Rev.Moon by Rev.Jenkins?
Well it might be true that the DP have a different view about the Christ
(namely Jesus being God) but the messianic concept of the Messiah in the
DP is much closer to it's Jewish origin, namely that a *human person* can
be *anointed* to be the Messiah...

Again show me where this denial is, I guess our dear older brother
Rob(r)(b)oy pulled your leg and the shoe hasn't dropped for you yet...

I knew a secular guy in the 1970's too, to whom I witnessed and he told
me that he wasn't interested in *any* religion at all, not even
something new like Jesus should have married....


Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
--
It was one of those novels that is so stunningly awful that
I actually read the entire thing, mesmerized by the sustained
level of terribleness. Adequate words fail me.
-- Don D'Ammassa in RASFW on Regina's Song by David Eddings

bob abendroth

The one result I can see from Robbie authoring this thread is that he
has successfully put his foot in his mouth *again* regarding his lack
of effort to understand at all... and or remember just what we do
beleive. Rob has been so busy for 42+ years making up lies and
repeating the lies of others that he is rediculously oblivious to just
who and what Rev. Moon is)... hang it up Rob.... your stuff is pure
nonsense......

Bob A.

robroy

Bobbypoo, I know what all you Moonies BELEIVE ..... you BELEIVE exactly
what your insane master tells you to BELEIVE. Now, talk to Todd and
see if he will give you the afternoons off to attend that elementary
school just down the street. Or better still, join Ericpoo up in the
frigid north and he can serve as your elementary teacher. (RobBoy)

jazz

Oh Bob...

I suppose you "forgot" how we were instructed to evade the question of
Moon's "messiahship?"

When faced with the question, tell the person that we are all supposed
to be ones. Michael J is just doing what he has told others for years.
Get them to a workshop to study the DP and then they could be given
"the conclusion" and the big non sectret that the UC claims Moon to be
not only a garden variety messiah but THE Messiah.

Rob is not repeating lies, but the line we told many times when
challenged with the question.

Jazz

robroy

Bobbypoo knows that, jazz, and he knows that we know he knows it !!
Still, he cannot help but LIE again in order to set a good example for
all his Moonie friends. After all, their god lies, doesn't he? (Rob)

josef oswald

Earth-Date: 2005-08-12
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Jazz answered:

I told people to *pray* about it, and also I told them for *me* Rev.Moon
is indeed the Messiah.

RobBOY has been shown the liar he is too many times, I do understand
that you don't want to acknowledge that...

"Jazz"

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Jazz

n 1: empty rhetoric or insincere or exaggerated talk; "that's a lot of
wind"; "don't give me any of that jazz" [syn: wind, idle words,
nothingness]

============

Somehow you were lead to "choose" the correct synonym for you,
Mr "anonymous"....

Since it fits you so well, *please* don't change it now.....

:-)

Josef Oswald
--
so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
--
"Even as a longtime critic of the company, I must admit that Microsoft
occasionally flirts with the truth. Well, perhaps 'flirt' is too strong a word.
Let's just say Microsoft sometimes honks and waves as it drives by her house."
-- InfoWorld Editor Nicholas Petreley, 06-14-99

bob abendroth

Let me reword it for you Rob.... when it comes to Rev. Moon there is
only one word that defines you.... ***I-G-N-O-R-A-N-T***

jazz

Sorry Rob, but most people I know, who also know Eric, would not look
to him for any kind of example. Especially not a good one.

Why do you think he slunk off to Korea?

Jazz

jazz

Joey, that is SO lame!

Rev.Moon
is indeed the Messiah."

Thanks for demonstrating that Rob indeed spoke the truth.

Jazz