ilena

EXCERPT: It's also linked to women who've received silicone breast
implants.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/health/071903_hs_multiple_myeloma.html

Treatment for Multiple Myeloma

HEALTH NEWS — Four**** thousand Americans are diagnosed with a
debilitating type of bone cancer every year. Multiple myeloma is one
of the deadliest forms ... But now, there's new hope on the horizon.
She felt weak and had a terrible backache or so Alma Barnett thought.
A trip to the emergency room soon revealed she was facing a deadly
cancer that kills 70 percent of patients within five years.

Or more specificaly multiple myeloma. It's similar to Leukemia, but it
attacks bones making it painful to walk or move.

Chemotherapy and stem cell transplants don't always work. The disease
remains incurable. But, Alma refused to give up. Dr. Jim Berensen of
the Institute for Myeloma and Bone Cancer Research suggested she try a
new drug called Velcade. His research in the New England Journal of
Medicine describes how the drug short circuits tumor growth. The FDA
just approved Velcade… and just in time, since the disease is being
diagnosed more often.

Dr. Berensen cites environmental factors. Studies reveal women who use
computers, work on farms, and fly frequently are at increased risk.
It's also linked to women who've received silicone breast implants.

While the many causes are still under imvestigation, Dr. Berensen
believes Velcade will save many lives. Studies show it shrank tumors
in 28 percent of patients who filed other therapies. 20 percent went
into remission. Seven years after her diagnosis, Alma remains cancer
free. She advises other patients to participate in clinical trials.

For more information on Multiple Myeloma log on to
http://www.myeloma.org--or-- http://www.multiplemyeloma.org

mplnt

<< EXCERPT: [multiple myelomo] It's also linked to women who've received silicone breast
implants. >><BR><BR>

Gee rosie, as you start your scare mongering campaign again for funds, maybe
you could cite some of the studies that definitively link MM with SBI.
MPLNT@AOL.com

ilena

mplnt@aol.com (Mad Junk Scientist, Patrick J. O´leary) barks ...

Ahhh, Plantlet ... just what you Mad Junk Scientists want ... even
more women to be your guinea pigs ...

We´re well aware of your greedy, insane tactics ...

Lie to the women that these are the ¨new and improved¨ implants ...

Lie to them that these are ¨safe¨ ...

Charge them around $5,000 for the ¨privilege¨

Have them sign off any rights in the not so rare chance that these
implants also fail and cause them illnesses and scars

Pay flacks to fill the various media ...including Usenet ... with
propaganda

ªªªªªªª

Just like your company Inamed and your buddy Mad Junk Scientist Leroy
Young did with the failed Tofu Titties ...

What Mad Junk Scientist Plant O´Leary calls ¨scare mongering¨... I
call warning women of the very real dangers ... potential and
realized.

May you, Plant, and your chorus line here defending you ... rot in
hell. Enough with your failed experiments ...

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

mplnt

<< Ahhh, Plantlet ... just what you Mad Junk Scientists want ... even
more women to be your guinea pigs ...>

Ah rosie, the things you think up, when you can't back one of your statements.
Always never defend anything you say, just go on the attack on anyone you
disagree with. What a charmer you are.
Where did I even imply that I wanted women to be guinea pigs? And why would I
even want to do such a thing.


Well you would be the one to know about greed. Trying to take the last dime
of some of the women harmed by SBI. They can ill afford to be supporting your
vacations when they need serious medical help. But alas, you are onlythinking of yourself.


I am not sure what implants you are talking about because I have not spoken of "these" implants.


And again where did I say that? You really do have a fantasy going on in that
little head of yours. Maybe you could look in the mirror and scare some common sense into yourself.


Yes dear, and how would I charge them $5k ? Your fantasy grows bigger.

implants also fail and cause them illnesses and scars>

I don't have anything to do with the womens decision and her conversation with
her physician. Your pipe dream is really getting big.

propaganda>

Right, how much am I paying these people. Can you please tell me who they are
so I can get my money back for the lousy job they are doing. ªªªªªªª

Young did with the failed Tofu Titties ...>

Sorry, but Inamed is not my company. Only in your imagination. You need to
make people believe this so you can keep your phoney story and fantasy going.
Fortunately, by now most people have your number and understand your inability
to utilize logic and your great ability to make things up.

call warning women of the very real dangers ... potential and
realized.>

Rosie, there are very real, do***ented dangers of implants. Complications that
have the potential to occur in many of the women. Instead of focusing on this,
you spend your time trying to make a BS, illogical, not supportable argument
about something that might happen to 1 out of 1,000,000 women. Now would a
normal, sane person focus on the the problem that has the most ability to cause
problems and has been do***ented to cause problems or focus their attention on
something that may but realistically will never happen? Oh, I forgot , I was
asking you, the not so normal person. My mistake. I keep thinking that I am
talking to a sane person with the ability for rationale thought, who has the
interests of the women first instead of their own interests. Then you remind
me it is YOU.


hell. Enough with your failed experiments ... >><BR><BR>

Rosie, where ever I end up, I know I will still be looking down on you.
MPLNT@AOL.com

ilena

mplnt@aol.com (Mplnt)

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/defamation.htm

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Withoutsin.htm


You should be so proud Plantlet ... since Myrl became your filthy
minded defender ... and that of Martha Murdock ... she´s harmed NSIF´s
reputation as well as her own ...

Now people see what is going on with the disappearing websites ... and
Moral Gurdian Myrl´s allegiance to you and Snoopy Schaezler ...

Well done !

myrlj

Sorry to disappoint you Ilena, but the only allegiance I have, is to
other women who have been made victims from their implants. I hang in
there to keep them from being revictimized by what I perceive as an
internet scam artist, masquerading as a self appointed advocate.

Quite honestly, if a woman wishes to go on with her life, or see the
futility of making a difference in this cause by maintaining a
website, than that is her choice. My own personal view, is it makes
no nano difference for me to put effort into such an endeavor, when we
are saddled with the likes of you.

Frankly, Ilena, your website is no testiment of good information being
provided to those harmed by breast implants. It merely appears like
insane rantings and ravings of one who is seriously deranged, and in
need of immediate psychiatric assistance, and drug rehab.

Most everyone witnessing this board, can see any similarity to moral
values and integrity grate on your nerves like chalk screeching on a
black board. That says a whole lot more about your character (or lack
of it), Ilena, than it does about anyone else!

Myrl

ilena

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#Plant

ooreroom

For Ilena,
Get somme help.

Resistance to Alteration by Logic and/or Confrontation with Reality

There are strong psychological forces within the individual that compel the
person to maintain the belief, no matter how much at variance it may be with
reality. Therefore, those who try to alter the belief of paranoids by logic,
argument, and confrontations with reality suffer nothing but frustration and a
sense of futility. When the father, mother, and other family members try to
convince the accusing woman that her beliefs are false and that some of the
elements in her scenario are absurd and even impossible, their arguments fall
on deaf ears. Or, if she does feel the need to respond, she provides some kind
of an explanatory justification that may be as implausible as the original
scenario.

Also, paranoids are notorious for their avoidance of such confrontations and
provide a never-ending stream of justifications for not involving themselves in
such conversations. They and their therapists (some of whom are equally
paranoid in a folie Ã* deux relationship with their patients) commonly say,
"There was no point in even confronting him; he would deny it anyway, so why
waste time." When they are willing to discuss their accusations, they are
often ingenious in providing rationalizations to justify their distortions.
This principle is well demonstrated by an anecdote from my residency days. It
is the story about a man who comes to a psychiatrist. The following
interchange takes place:

Psychiatrist: How can I help you?
Patient: Doctor, I'm dead.
Psychiatrist: Let me ask you this. Can a dead man bleed?
Patient: Of course not. A dead man can't bleed.
Psychiatrist: (takes a pin, pricks the man's finger tip, and expresses a drop
of blood): What do you think about this (while pointing to the drop of blood on
the man's fingertip)?

Patient: (after a long pause): Well, what do you know. This is the first time
in the history of the world that a dead man has bled!

Paranoid women who accuse their lathers of ***ually abusing them provide
similar rationalizations to support the maintenance of their delusion. When
their mothers try to convince them that the accusation has no basis in reality,
they will claim that the mother is only trying to protect the father in order
to preserve her marriage. It is a no-win situation when one tries to change a
paranoid's mind regarding the validity of a delusion.


Low Self Esteem in Paranoia

Paranoids basically suffer with deep-seated feelings of insecurity. This is
one of the factors contributing to the need for projection. People with
stronger egos are willing to tolerate socially unacceptable impulses within
themselves and have enough compensatory assets to counterbalance personality
weaknesses and socially unacceptable thoughts and feelings that they may
harbor. Paranoids do not have the ego strength to do this.

Not only does this problem contribute to the mechanism of projection —
wherein they project out onto others their own inadequacies (or presumed
inadequacies) — but this weakness contributes to their inability to admit
that they were wrong. Admitting that one makes mistakes requires a certain
degree of ego-strength. And this is one of the reasons they are so resistant
to logic, arguments, and confrontations that might demonstrate that their
thinking is awry. For a paranoid, such an admission is tantamount to admitting
that one is "crazy," and this, of course, is very difficult for anyone to do.

The feelings of low self-worth may also be compensated for by the individual's
developing the belief that he or she is more astute than others regarding the
ability to appreciate the significance of subtle information. Paranoids often
consider themselves quite skillful in detecting innuendo, slights, and trifling
disparagements that pass others by. They pride themselves on their ability to
detect hostility in everyday inadvertencies. For women who promulgate false
***-abuse accusations against their fathers, they may, in retrospect, pride
themselves on their new-found sensitivity to the most subtle manifestations of
***ual abuse, manifestations that others were too blind and/or stupid to
detect. In the extreme, this compensatory mechanism for ego-enhancement may
result in grandiosity and an all-pervasive feeling of superiority. This
feeling of superiority, then, serves to strengthen the individual against those
who inevitably react with hostility to the paranoid's accusations. A vicious
cycle then ensues in which those who disagree and argue with the paranoid
unwittingly contribute to the strengthening of the paranoia and its derivative
symptoms.


Release of Anger in Paranoia

Generally, these are very angry women. When the problems generating anger are
not resolved, anger builds up and presses for release. Society always provides
targets that facilitate such release, and these change with the times. Various
rules and regulations are set up that strictly define which areas of release
are acceptable and which are not. Some of the more common vehicles for release
in our society are competition, gossip, worthy and noble causes, sports (both
as a spectator and as a participant), family squabbles, and violent themes in
books, television, and cinema. Family members are safe targets for such
pent-up anger because they are often captive and are less likely to retaliate
as strongly as strangers. As mentioned earlier, the socially sanctioned
targets change with the times and place. Paranoia provides a justifiable
vehicle for the release of anger. If one has the delusion that the hated
person should justifiably be scorned and punished, one need not feel guilty
about using that person as a scapegoat.

In recent years, many women have found that men can serve as useful targets for
their hostility. There is no question that women have been terribly subjugated
since the beginning of civilization and that the process is still going on in
just about every part of the world. There is no question that the women's
liberation movement is, overall, a constructive force in human progress.
However, every movement has its fanatics and zealots, and the women's movement
is no exception. Most women have some justification for feeling angry at men
in general. If scapegoatism is to work, it is important that the scapegoat be
close by. And this is an important element in prejudice. One can be
intellectually prejudiced against people who live thousands of miles away, but
they are not available as targets for the release of anger. Accordingly, one
must find a scapegoat close by, even in the next house or neighborhood.
Husbands and fathers satisfy this proviso quite well.

Those who believe that the best way to deal with their anger at men is to
destroy every man in sight are certainly not making constructive use of their
anger. Actually, such women do the women's movement much more harm than good,
give it a bad name, and work against its progress. Such use of men as
scapegoats is a form of bigotry.

myrlj

Subject: Statement Regarding Ilena

Re: Ilena (Rose) Rosenthal and Humantics Foundation

This statement has been prepared and signed by a group of concerned
individuals and/or organizations who have been active advocates of
breast-implanted women. Some of us are breast implant survivors; some
of us are also breast cancer survivors; and some of us are simply
concerned family and friends of survivors. The purpose of this
statement is to disavow the Humantics Foundation for Women and its
Director, Ms. Ilena Rosenthal(Rose), as legitimate advocates in this
issue.

Many of us have been involved as victims, survivors, and advocates in
the breast implant issue for many years. Many of us have sustained
devastating personal injuries or are close to those that have. For
some time, some of us have also suffered personal attacks from Ms.
Rosenthal.

In our opinions, Ms. Rosenthal's views and actions do not reflect the
views, dedication, and sympathies of the majority of breast implant


actions, but also her motivation. Ms. Rosenthal has never had
implants, nor breast cancer, and solicits for donations for her
foundation. We denounce her attacks for the harm and mental stress
that they have caused many truly injured parties,the implanted women.

The best place to verify these issues is on that portion of the
internet known as "Usenet", the text-based side of the net. We would
suggest that you not just look at alt.support.breast-implant, but to
look elsewhere as well. We recommend going to Google.com's usenet
advanced group search page:

http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search

And doing a search for "Ilena" and/or "Humantics Foundation. Please
read that which has been written regarding Ms. Rosenthal, and that
which Ms. Rosenthal has written in response.

ilena

myrlj@jps.net (Myrl)
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MyrlFlirtswithPlant

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/WithoutSin.htm#MurdockPlagarizes

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#Plant