putyourspamhere2000

I just thought I should share this, for anyone planning to go to
Thailand for SRS. My Sweetie underwent SRS on the 4th, performed by Dr
Su****. There were complications, requiring additional minor surgery not
once but twice. There was some necrosis and infection, and first one,
then the other labia became partially detached and required repair. Her
recovery was slow, but now she is doing much better. It now looks like
she will be returning on the 1st, as originally planned, though the
Doctor insists that she use a wheelchair. We are not aware of any other
patients of Doctor Su**** having so many problems, and she thinks that
aftercare rather than the actual surgery are to blame for the
complications. I don't think this is reason enough by itself to reject
Dr Su**** as an SRS surgeon, but I think the SRS candidate looking for a
surgeon should have as much information as possible and consider all the
pros and cons, including bad experiences.

She reports having some sensation already (well, pain, anyway) from
areas that were at first swollen and numb, and of course the swelling is
still pretty bad. She says it is not a pretty sight. Due to the problems
she has had, Dr Su**** has recommended no ******l intercourse for 6
months, though insertion without movement is okay and will augment
artificial dilation.

We had changed her flight plans so that she would arrive in Thailand
three days before surgery to allow for any hassles associated with SARS
control and quarantine. However, there were no major hassles on that
account. Since the spread of the disease appears to be pretty well
contained and fewer cases are being reported, it doesn't look like SARS
will be a big issue with other travelers to Thailand in the near future.

Thanks to the group for the useful information and advice that made it
all so much easier and helped us anticipate potential problems. I hope
this post helps somebody else. Our other wife and I are eagerly awaiting
her return, and I will post more on her experiences after she gets back.

K&T
Helen Detroit

putyourspamhere2000

Hmmm... well she told me she was paying through the nose. I guess she
isn't doing a very good mental currency conversion.

LOL! I have been to Tokyo. but she hasn't. She changes planes at Kai Tak
(Taiwan) which is a good bit smaller. Still, she will get wheeled around
everywhere. The airline has assured her that she will be well taken care
of. But yeah she is dreading the flight. That is a lot of sitting! Well
she has her donut.

Well, she assures me otherwise, but I would sort of like to see her with
a little work on her chin and jaw. She doesn't have much of a brow ridge
or a buck forehead, and her hair covers that up, anyway. Well, it is up
to her. She will be paying for it, anyway. This SRS has just destroyed
me, financially.

She just chatted me on yahoo. I tried to call earlier but she was at the
doctor for her final checkup and she used the puter in the Dr office.
Coming home Tuesday. Wow, the time flies! Still has a bit of a stubborn
infection but frankly I think we can get more effective treatment for it
here.

K&T
HD

elaine

This is common and I have cautioned people here before not to have too much
hair removed. BTW....I did not have any genital electrolysis and I have
never had a problem. My pubic hair is full and covers the slight scars that
I know are there.

Why would you, a non-trans***ual, wish to publish a web site dealing with
SRS? There are already many out there published by surgeons and others who
have experienced SRS themselves.

putyourspamhere2000

Because my wife just had SRS. We have friends who want it or are
considering it. And because we would have certainly appreciated it,
while still undecided on which surgeon, if only someone else had already
done it.

Your comment is certainly a valid one, and one I expected from someone
or another on the board, which is why I mentioned it might be best done
by someone else. And I don't recall seeing any website that is quite
like I am talking about. Many ex-TS have websites showing their OWN
surgeon's results. Many surgeons, too, but as I mentioned, they are not
going to put their worst cases on display.

Anyone can do this. It certainly doesn't have to be me. I don't even
have any particular need to see the site, now that our choice of surgeon
has been irreversibly made, but it would be nice to know that it is out
there to help someone who does need it.

If your reply means "no, it should not be done", then I appreciate the
feedback. That was the whole point of the paragraph you refer to, to get
feedback on the idea. If it only means that you don't think I should be
the one to do it, then actually, I agree that such a site would have
more credibility if published by someone else, preferably someone who
has had SRS.

Now... back to my muffelatta... anyone care for a bite before it gets
cold?

K&T
HD

putyourspamhere2000

Thanks for that info. We don't think it is counterfeit but nevertheless
it is not what she needs. It came from a pharmacy. The only confusion is
exactly whose idea it was for her to have this stuff. She is not sure
who is responsible for having called the order in to the pharmacy from
Dr Su****'s clinic. She wanted to bring back at least a year's supply of
hormones and that crap is what she ended up with. She will be contacting
Dr Su****'s staff and will try to at least prevent this same screwup
from happening to someone else in the future.

It was not in a hard blister pack. It is packed 5 amps to a little
plastic heat sealed bag with label printed in Thai script. The amps
themselves are labeled in both English and Thai.

She is home now. She is going to a local pharmacy for enough orals to
tide her over until her order of estradiol valerate comes in from
College Pharm. She has scripts so we don't need to buy stuff
underground.

Again, thanks for your information!

K&T
HD

diane

Ohh Hooo! Good info!

sue ann robins

Snip....

This is the same sort of stuff i have heard from people who have been
there the aftercare is fabulas.
One's ability to recover form such invacive surgery largery depends on the
physical condition of the patient. Diet, excerize and a strong immune
systeme make all the difference in the world.
In something less then a year i will be seeing Dr Su****, if all goes
well i will be taking one of my best friends with me. Having seen his work
the trip half way around the world is well worth it.

Take Care,
Sue Robins

putyourspamhere2000

Well, we are smiling with relief now. HALF of the amps my Baby brought
back from Thailand ARE Proluton Depot. BUT, the OTHER HALF are PROGYNON!
Evidently the idea was that she stack the two. I didn't look at all of
them. The first one I picked up was Proluton and so I assumed they all
were. They are both in brown amps, with ****y weeny writing of course.
My Baby got upset with me for giving her bad information, that what she
had was Schering's compound of Estradiol Valerate. SHE had picked up and
read one amp, and ALSO assumed that they were all the same. Wow I am
getting too wordy here. Anyway to keep it short she now has 25 amps of
Progynon and 23 amps of Proluton-- a good year's supply of 'mones for
less than a hundred bucks.

Swelling is still going down, and it is looking more and more natural.
Dilation is getting less painful and depth is still to 6-1/2 to 7". She
is ecstatic and Dr Su**** is like her favorite saint, now.

K&T
HD

putyourspamhere2000

Damn. it's 10. Got to be. I will check tomorrow to be sure. I have a
nasty staph infection so I have been staying at our Bourbon Street apt
the last couple of days so my sweeties don't get it. I called and Shauna
can't be bothered to get a magnifying glass (Her eyes are as bad as
mine, or else she doesn't know where to look) and find out. But a 5
minute web search found only 10mg/ml strength in Schering Progynon. I
don't think they make it in 40mg strength. Like I said, I will try to
check tomorrow.

Then again, maybe 10mg strength is enough, post-SRS or post-orchiectomy.

I remember Dr Su****'s site listed some commonly available 'mones in
Thailand, but his site appears to be down at the moment. But I would
definitely figure on spending a hundred or two on cheap drugs while you
are there. It is just a question of picking what you and/or your
endocrinologist (I think that IS you, isn't it?) thinks are best for
you.

K&T
HD

putyourspamhere2000

Okay, it doesn't say on the ampule. It is made by Schering, though, and
all references show only 10mg/ml. So that's what it is. But that might
be a better strength for post-surgery anyway, OOPS I'm playing armchair
endocrinologist here. But if you do use 40mg/ml strength E. Valerate
now, and assuming you will be reducing your dosage post-surgery, AND
using ampules instead of rubber-stoppered vials, it makes more sense to
get a reduced potency, so you don't have to draw part of the amp into
one injection and draw the rest into a syringe to be stored, cause when
the amp is broke open, you really have no practical way of maintaining
sterility from that point.

I am thinking you will want a product sold in vials rather than amps,
though, Your dosing can be more flexible that way.

BTW, a simple method of opening amps is to stick the head of the amp
into the cap of a bic pen to use in breaking the neck. I like to hold
the body with a thick layer of gauze or a clean lint-free rag or at
least paper towel. I have never had one shatter but it could happen,
with nasty effect on your thumb! Some bodybuilders score the neck of the
amp with a small file first to ensure a clean break, but I never had a
problem. There are also special amp cutters available but I never used
one and I don't know anybody who has. (No, I am not on estrogens... I
did do a cycle of anabolic steroids a couple years ago, though)

Su****'s site is back up, after considerable overhaul. Here is a short
list of what he says is available cheaply. I'm sure the list is far from
complete.

"Hormones are readily available and inexpensive in Thailand, esp:
Premarin (conjugated estrogens; 1.25 mg per oral tablet) [Wyeth-Ayerst,
Canada]; Progynova-2 (estradiol valerate, 2 mg per oral tablet)
[Schering AG, Germany]; and Progynon Depot (estradiol valerate USP; 10
mg) + Proluton Depot (hydroxyprogesterone-Caproate USP; 250 mg) combined
intramuscular injection [Schering/Medipharm, Germany]"

If you want to inject 20mg of the progynon, I suppose you could just
draw up 2 amps worth. Still pretty cheap. Yes, that makes a 2cc
injection but I regularly injected 3cc to the upper outer quadrant of
the buttock, or 2cc in quads, or a full cc to the triceps with no probs
as long as I rotated injection sites and pushed the juice in slowly. 2cc
in the butt is quite do-able, especially since you would be shooting
twice a month instead of twice a week like I was doing.

One more thing about technique when using amps... since you can't avoid
touching the tip of the needle to glass when drawing up that last
droplet, it is a good idea to draw with one pin, (a larger gauge like an
18 is good for drawing) and change it before injecting, so you have a
nice sharp one. In fact I prefer doing this even with a vial. Amazing
how much one pass through a rubber stopper dulls the pin! A nice sharp
one sure is less uncomfortable! I have to admit I am kind of a wuss when
it comes to needles and needle-induced pain!


K&T
HD