john

Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System?
Randall Neustaedter OMD, LAc
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Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our nation's
infants

What is the effect of long-term immune suppression? Some investigators
are concerned that vaccines could be disabling our body's ability to react
normally to disease, and creating the climate for autoimmune
self-destruction. The many reports of autoimmune phenomena that occur as
reactions to vaccination provide incontrovertible proof that tampering with
the immune system causes devastating disease.
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Parents watch with proud satisfaction as their infant, just a few months
old, begins to reach out into the world-tiny hands grasping at toys and
gently twirling locks of their mother's hair. Just when they have begun to
take a lively interest in the world, rolling-over, cooing, and smiling, the
first illnesses strike.

The baby's runny nose develops into a fever, fussiness, and
night-waking. Her previously placid demeanor suddenly changes to obvious
discomfort-crying, clinging, refusing to leave her mother's arms. The
pediatrician sees red eardrums and prescribes antibiotics. That first
infection starts a seemingly endless battle against viral and bacterial
illnesses that persists despite repeated treatment with a barrage of
different antibiotics. Something is dreadfully wrong. Frequent visits to
the pediatrician do nothing to prevent the continuous pattern of
illness-antibiotic-illness.

Why do these illnesses begin when babies are three or four months
old? What event triggers this frustrating scenario? What happens to babies
at two to four months that could initiate this relentless course of
symptoms? Perhaps maternal antibodies are beginning to wear out, making
babies susceptible to these environmental microbes. But why don't these
babies develop their own antibodies in response to the initial viral or
bacterial infections? What prevents the immune system from mounting a
vigorous response? And why does this pattern of illness with recurrent ear
infections occur now, a pattern that seldom occurred prior to thirty years
ago? What is weakening the immune function of today's infants?

The only event that all infants routinely encounter at two months of
age is vaccination with at least five different vaccines
(Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis-Polio-Hemophilus). They are repeated at four
months. Could this simple fact explain the onset of the recurrent illnesses
that plague so many infants? If vaccines stimulate antibody production to
fight diseases, why would they weaken the immune system? Is there any
evidence that vaccines do cause illness and immune system dysfunction?

One answer came in a careful study of illness patterns observed in
babies before and after vaccination. If vaccines cause a weakened immune
system, then we would expect to see a higher incidence of illness following
vaccination. In that study the incidence of acute illnesses in the 30 day
period following DTP vaccine was compared to the incidence in the same
children for the 30 day period prior to vaccine. The three-day period
immediately following vaccine was excluded because children frequently
develop fever as a direct response to vaccine toxins. A total of 82 healthy
infants received DTP, and their symptoms were reported by parents and
observed by a pediatrician at weekly intervals. Those babies experienced a
dramatic increase in fever, diarrhea, and cough in the month following DTP
vaccine compared to their health before the shot (Jaber et al., 1988).

The incidence of asthma has steadily increased in the modern
era. During the period 1980 through 1989 the prevalence rate of
self-reported asthma in the United States increased 38 percent, and the
death rate for asthma increased 46 percent (Centers for Disease Control,
1992). In the five years from 1985 through 1990, projected estimates for
asthma's medical costs increased 53 percent. The total estimated cost of
asthma rose from $4.5 billion to $6.2 billion, or 1 percent of all US
health-care costs (Weiss et al., 1992). This dramatic increase has been
attributed to increased exposure to environmental pollutants, and to the
toxic effect of asthma medications themselves.

Could vaccines be weakening the immune system of our populations and
causing asthma and allergies at unprecedented levels? A recent study
suggests the answer is yes. A team of New Zealand researchers, found a
greater rate of asthma and allergy episodes among immunized children. Of
1,265 children born in 1977, the 23 who did not receive the
diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus shot had no recorded asthma or allergy
problems before age 10. Of the children who were vaccinated, 23.1 percent
had asthma episodes, and 30 percent had consultations for other allergic
illnesses (Kemp, et al., 1997).

How do researchers investigate immune system reactions to vaccines?
First, they can observe the incidence of serious disease onset soon after
vaccination. They can also study immune functions following vaccines given
to children and adults. Two research models have been used to discover the
possible adverse effect of vaccines on the immune system. Laboratory
researchers observe whether vaccines have any negative effect on white
blood cells, the body's primary immune defense system. Clinical researchers
study illness patterns preceding and following vaccination. All of these
investigative channels have reached the same conclusions-vaccines can
trigger immune system suppression.

Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our nation's
infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of Medicine reported
by Time magazine and the Associated Press revealed that tetanus vaccine
disables the immune system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a
drop in T cells in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency.
HIV viral replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus
vaccine. Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals
became more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination.
Despite these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune
depleting effect of the vaccine (Stanley et al., 1996).

Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical
profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical
condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of
Pediatrics, explained that the inclusion of this type of information in
vaccine brochures "would confuse many parents and could even needlessly
alarm them" (AAP News, 1989). An uninformed patient is compliant.

The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is
reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and disinformation
campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both instances huge profits
are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries. Vaccine manufacturers
cannot afford to have their product maligned in a public forum.

Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of
vaccines to the public would hinder the vaccine campaign. This attitude
emerged in congressional hearings more than thirty years ago.

It is hard to convince the public that something is good. Consequently,
the best way to push forward a new program is to decide on what you think
the best decision is and not question it thereafter, and further, not to
raise questions before the public or expose the public to open discussion
of the issues (Intensive Immunization Programs, Hearings, 1962).

The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of
vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example, the
ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of paralytic
polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since then DTP
injections have caused the onset of polio disease.

In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York
to evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic
polio and recent injections. Investigators contacted the families of all
children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases in
New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A history
of vaccinations received in the previous two months was obtained on each
child and from a group of matched controls in the same population. Those
studies discovered that children with polio were twice as likely to have
received a DTP vaccination in the two months preceding the onset of polio
than were the control children (Korns et al., 1952; Greenberg et al., 1952).

The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the
modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in Oman, DTP vaccination again
caused the onset of paralytic polio In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24
months old contracted paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. When
compared to a control group of children without polio, it was found that a
significantly higher percentage of these children had received a DTP shot
within 30 days of the onset of polio, 43 percent of polio victims compared
to 28 percent of controls (Sutter et al., 1992). The DTP vaccine suppresses
the body's ability to fight off the polio virus.

The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist
over an extended period of time. One study do***ented a long-term
depressive effect on interferon production. Interferon is a chemical
produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that renders the host
resistant to infection. Interferon production is stimulated by infection
with a virus to protect the body from superinfection by some other
organism. In this study, vaccination of one-year-old infants with measles
vaccine caused a precipitous drop in the level of alpha-interferon produced
by lymphocytes. This decline persisted for one year following vaccination,
at which time the experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that
measles vaccine produced a significant long-term immune suppression
(Nakayama et al., 1988)

Autoimmune Reactions to Vaccines
· An 11 year old girl received a routine tetanus booster dose and
three days later developed blindness in the right eye and light perception
only in the left eye. Her optic discs were swollen on exam. Two days later
she had partial paralysis of her legs and loss of bladder control, then
more widespread sensory loss including a lack of vibrational and positional
senses. Seven weeks later she still had some vision loss and decreased
muscle power. Within one year she recovered (Topaloglu et al., 1992).

· A 20 year old woman experienced pain and swelling of her right
wrist and fingers 4 days after a hepatitis vaccination. The pain and
swelling resolved, but returned again 6 months later with more severe
swelling and pain, following a second hepatitis vaccination. Nine years
later, X-ray of the hands showed destruction of the bones throughout her
wrist joints (Gross et al., 1995).

· A 4 year old girl developed progressive weakness of the legs,
pain in the legs and feet, and gradual inability to walk 10 days after Hib
vaccination. On the fifth day she had swallowing difficulties, facial
weakness, and a monotonous voice. Her symptoms gradually improved, and
within 3 weeks she could walk with help (Gervaix et al., 1993).

· A 42 year old man received tetanus toxoid on three separate
occasions over a period of 13 years. Following each vaccination he
developed acute nerve symptoms diagnosed as Guillain-Barré syndrome, a
disease of the nervous system characterized by rapid onset of motor
weakness and loss of sensation. (Pollard & Selby, 1978). A nerve biopsy
revealed destruction of the myelin nerve sheath. Following his last
injection he continued to experience multiple recurrences, and continued to
show abnormal findings on examination 15 years later (Pollard, 1993).

What is the effect of long-term immune suppression? Some
investigators are concerned that vaccines could be disabling our body's
ability to react normally to disease, and creating the climate for
autoimmune self-destruction. The many reports of autoimmune phenomena that
occur as reactions to vaccination provide incontrovertible proof that
tampering with the immune system causes devastating disease.

Federal legislation of 1986 commissioned the Institute of Medicine
to establish a Vaccine Safety Committee. The purpose of that committee was
to search the medical literature for reports of adverse events associated
with the vaccines routinely administered to children, and report their
findings. Computer searches revealed 1,800 relevant articles. However, the
committee's rigid criteria for establishing a causal relationship between
vaccine and adverse event made it nearly impossible for a disease condition
to make their short list. Without a case-controlled study proving a
relationship, the hundreds of case reports of immune system destruction
following vaccines were relegated to coincidence. Case-controlled studies
are expensive. They must include tens or hundreds of thousands of children.

Even the Vaccine Safety Committee acknowledged the onset of several
autoimmune diseases as a result of vaccination (Guillain-Barré syndrome
following tetanus and polio vaccines, that causes muscle weakness and
paralysis; thrombocytopenia, destruction of blood platelets responsible for
blood clotting, following MMR; and chronic arthritis following rubella).
These types of symptoms have occurred following every vaccine routinely
given to children-the suppressed immune system begins to attack the body's
own cells, usually the nerves and joints. Thousands of autoimmune incidents
following vaccines have been reported in the medical literature and adverse
event reporting systems (Neustaedter, 1996). These autoimmune responses to
vaccines have resulted in permanent, chronic disease conditions-deforming
arthritis and muscle wasting and paralysis.

In their attempt to explain the repeated occurrence of autoimmune
diseases that attack and destroy the myelin sheaths of nerves as a direct
result of vaccines, the committee members explain:

It is biologically plausible that injection of an inactivated virus,
bacterium, or live attenuated virus might induce in the susceptible host an
autoimmune response by deregulation of the immune response, by nonspecific
activation of the T cells directed against myelin proteins, or by
autoimmuniity triggered by sequence similarities of proteins in the vaccine
to host proteins such as those of myelin (Institute of Medicine, 1994).

Since the committee's report, a large ecological study in New
Zealand revealed that an epidemic of diabetes followed a massive campaign
to vaccinate children against hepatitis B. This report, published in the
New Zealand Medical Journal in 1996 revealed that a 60 percent increase in
childhood diabetes occurred in the years following the 1989-1991vaccination
program of chidren aged 6 to 16. The widespread use of the new Haemophilus
meningitis vaccine has similarly resulted in diabetes epidemics. Diabetes
is an autoimmune disease that has been frequently observed to occur as a
consequence of mumps vaccine (Fescharek et al., 1990; Helmke et al., 1986).
The dramatic rise in vaccine-induced diabetes has led researchers to raise
a warning flag. "We believe the effects of vaccines on diabetes are of
tremendous clinical importance and that trials need to be started
immediately to address the effect of vaccines on diabetes and other
autoimmune diseases (Classen & Classen,
1996).

Vaccines have become a sacred cow of our culture, unassailable to
criticism. Now that we know their devastating effects on the immune system,
perhaps we need to take a more cautious approach to the vaccine campaigns.
The zealous rush to bring new vaccines to market may be setting the stage
for the unwitting destruction of our population's immune system integrity.

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jeff

Except that vaccines save thousands of lives every day. No one suffers from
smallpox anymore. Measles is just about unheard of in the US because of
vaccines. Vaccines prevent deaths from chickenpox, invasive Hib and
pneumococcal disease, birth defects from rubella and liver failure from viruses.


Irrelevent. Vaccines enable the immune system to fight illness, not weaken the immune system.


Vaccines don't tamper with the immune system. THe immune system is
responding to real antigens. The big difference is that vaccines let the
immune system respond to the virus or bacteria rapidly should the immune
system be challenged with potentially harmful bacteria and viruses.

Which is exactly why kids need vaccines.


Actually, asthma and allergies are from an overactive immune system. So if
the immune system were being damaged, there would be less asthma and allergies.
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Jeff

vernon

You really need to stop reading that science fiction stuff, published as
fact.

johndoe

Vernon, bitte beantworten Sie diese Posting nog einmal, aber in Deutsch.

jagchat01

Does Jeff know that the body is already diseased when the immune system
comes into play? An "overactive" immune system after the vaccination is
exactly what we are pointing to. Jeff has played into our hands.

Jagannath.

jeff

Actually, the immune system is always active. Our bodies are surrounded by
bacteria. In fact, there are more bacteria on our bodies and in our gut than
there cells in our bodies. The immune system is constantly keeping these
bacteria in check.

Our bodies are constantly being challenged by various organisms that can
cause infection. These include viruses, bacteria and fungi.

In no way did I suggest that the immune system is overactive after an
immunization. Rather, the immunization primes the immune system so that when
it is exposed to an active virus or bacteria (one that the immunization
protects against), the immune system is able to tackle it immediately,
rather than waiting until the body is able to make adequate numbers of
antibodies.

Jeff

bryan heit

Simple. When a child is born they do not have a functioning adaptive
immune system; both their T-cells and B-cells are relatively inactive,
and as such are incapable of mounting a rapid immune response (they can
respond, but it takes 2-4x longer then in an adult). For the first 4-6
months nearly all adaptive immunity of the child is provided through
maternal antibodies; both those absorbed during pregnancy, as well as
those ingested via breast milk.

This is why childhood vaccinations are so important - you allow the
child's slow immune system to respond to the pathogen (in vaccine form)
before the child ever catches the actual pathogen. This allows the baby
to mount an effective immune response, even though he/she would not
normally be able to do so in a sufficient duration of time.

Review of the infant immune system:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12403364&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12750609&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16036376&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16641286&query_hl=6&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16250014&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16313686&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum

As for the last statement in this article - "What is weakening the
immune function of today's infants?" - is a gross lie. The immunity of
children has improved dramatically over the 1900's. Infant mortality is
way down from where it was 100 years ago. A good portion of this
decreased mortality is due to vaccination:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2514892&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12850355&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14681271&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_docsum


And here is the "evidence" for this article. Note that nothing has been
published within the last decade; mostly because most of these studies
have been disproven in the last decade. Some of the more notable cases:

There is no agreement in the scientific literature about whether
vaccines can induce childhood diabetes:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11137235&query_hl=17&itool=pubmed_DocSum

In fact, the study you referenced above was re****yzed by another group,
and it was shown that the authors of your paper faked their stats.
That's right, the Classen paper is dead wrong (poor methodology) - there
was no statistically significant difference between unvaccinated and
vaccinated:

Karvonen M., Cepaitis Z., Tuomilehto J. 1999.
Association between type 1 diabetes and Haemophilus
influenzae type b vaccination: birth cohort study. BMJ
318: 1169–1172

In addition, some studies have shown the exact opposite - that exposure
to both pathogens and immunizations help prevent childhood diabetes:

"In a large case-control study
(EURODIAB) it was found that preschool day care
attendance, a proxy measure for total infectious
disease exposure in early childhood was inversely
associated with diabetes."

and

"Two studies
have even suggested a possible protective or delaying
effect of vaccines on type 1A diabetes: measles vaccine
in one study [53] and BCG in the other [54]. Given the
epidemiologic evidence both for and against an
association between vaccines and type 1A diabetes
risk, a workshop was held at the Johns Hopkins
School of Public Health to review the studies involving
type 1A diabetes and immunization. The consensus
conclusion of this workshop was that there is no
convincing evidence that any vaccines or the timing of
immunization is associated with an increased risk of
type 1A diabetes in human [55]."

References 53-55:
53. Blom L., Nystrom L., Dahlquist G. 1991. The Swedish
childhood diabetes study. Vaccinations and infections
as risk determinants for diabetes in childhood.
Diabetologia 34: 176–181

54. Parent M.-E., Siemiatycki J., Menzies R., Fritschi L.,
Colle E. 1997. Bacille Calmette-Gue´rin vaccination and
incidence of IDDM in Montreal, Canada. Diabetes Care
20: 767–772

55. The Institute for Vaccine Safety Diabetes Workshop
Panel 1999. Childhood immunizations and type 1
diabetes: summary of an Institute for Vaccine Safety
Workshop. Pediatr. Infect. Dis. J. 18: 217–222

From: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B6WHC-45BT6TN-26-1&_cdi=6847&_user=1067480&_orig=search&_coverDate=05%2F31%2F2001&_qd=1&_sk=999839996&view=c&wchp=dGLbVzz-zSkWz&md5=79466caee562c6937e385f8ae94a43f8&ie=/sdarticle.pdf

Long since disproven, but what did you expect from something published
in 1952?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7796946&query_hl=20&itool=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11462191&query_hl=20&itool=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11257376&query_hl=20&itool=pubmed_DocSum

There is a possibility that vaccinations may, on extremely rare
occasions, result in autoimmunity (i.e. arthritis). However, most of
the reports making this link are case studies, like the one above. All
attempts to prove a link, using epidemiological methods, has failed. As
such the link between autoimmunity and vaccinations remains in the
"maybe" pile, and it's been there for nearly 3 decades:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11334497&query_hl=25&itool=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15196997&query_hl=25&itool=pubmed_DocSum

See my statement and links above. The form of diabetes the above
article takes about is an autoimmune form, and as the literature clearly
indicated, such links are questionable at best.

Not relevant for people not infected with HIV. In a surprising turn of
events, depletion of immune cells by HIV reduces the effectiveness of
vaccines. Imagine that - you kill the very cells needed to respond to
and remember vaccines, and vaccines stop working!


Bryan

john

COMMENT: If we must read these propaganda pieces lets do the first one


An assumption, in fact pure bollocks.


No proof just propoganda and made up figures

"According to government, measles was a threat to national interest,
claiming more than 40,000 lives every year (a statistic which is laughable
since most people who get measles stay at home and treat it and the majority
of sick people go to private clinics that do not keep records this figure
was of course trumped up). This of course is a questionable statistic since
the majority of deaths in Uganda are not registered and few parents remember
any measles death. No point in registering a person once he has died. Forty
thousand people are far much less than those killed in Uganda annually due
to the civil war, dwarfs the figure for malaria, which kills a child every
five second and for which governments is happy to ignore." Update: Letter
from Kihura Nkuba October 20th, 2003. http://www.whale.to/a/nkuba_h.html

Read Nkuba and you will see how the vaccines are killing not saving.

and at odds with doctors who actually spend their life among third world
people

"forced me to look into the question of vaccination further, and the further
I looked the more shocked I became. I found that the whole vaccine business
was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful,
but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these
diseases you will realize that this is not so . . .
My final conclusion after forty years or more in this business
[medicine] is that the unofficial policy of the World Health Organization
and the unoffical policy of the 'Save the Children's Fund' and ... [other
vaccine promoting] organizations is one of murder and genocide. . . . I
cannot see any other possible explanation. . . . You cannot immunize sick
children, malnourished children, and expect to get away with it. You'll kill
far more children than would have died from natural infection."--Dr
Kalokerinos (International Vaccine Newsletter June 1995)
http://www.whale.to/m/kalokerinos9.html

"It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving
children...They thought they were wiping out measles, but most of those
susceptible to measles died from some other disease that they developed as a
result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their immune levels and
acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis, etcetera,
or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So
there were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It's one
way to get good statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is
what they literally did." --Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.

"At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who
occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he
was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these
depopulation interests."--Jon Rappoport interview http://www.whale.to/b/genocide_vax_q.html

A lie, see above, and since measles deaths had declined by 99.4% before
vaccination here there isn't any evidence it did anything. If they gave a
rats ass they would use vitamin C and E.

rest of drivel deleted

you can see why I can't be bothered to read your pub med drivel

george

and they wonder why people call toilets 'john'

bryan heit

This should be interesting. John, who has personally claimed to to
understand scientific literature, is going to ****yze a piece of
scientific literature for us. http://groups.google.ca/group/misc.health.alternative/tree/browse_frm/thread/310ef3f79a5f5601/cda9867a9d829db2?rnum=21&q=john+heit+admitted&_done=%2Fgroup%2Fmisc.health.alternative%2Fbrowse_frm%2Fthread%2F310ef3f79a5f5601%2Fe70b5e97862191a4%3Fq%3Djohn+heit+admitted%26rnum%3D2%26#doc_24f14e98962501dd


And your evidence of that is? Here's their webpage, please demonstrate
which of the figures are made up, and provide us links to the real data:

http://www.who.int/countries/eth/areas/immunization/en/
http://www.who.int/topics/vaccines/en/
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs288/en/index.html

Of course you'll be unable to meet my challenge - just like you've
failed to provide links to data or scientific works EVERY OTHER TIME
I've challenged you to do so.

Actually, most countries kept very close record of measles outbreaks,
due to the fact that it is highly contagious. The US has records of
measles outbreaks, including # of cases and fatalities, extending back
to the late 1880's, England even farther back:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9138222&query_hl=34&itool=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=8658120&query_hl=34&itool=pubmed_DocSum

Heck, you can even use these databases to look at the effectiveness of
vaccination to prevent disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=9088445&query_hl=34&itool=pubmed_DocSum

Conclusion: Even the oldest vaccinations reduced the incidence of
measles, polio, rubella, mumps, and pertussis.


Firstly, what does Uganda have to do with the paper I linked to - it
looked at global statistics, and Uganda is far from being the whole
world? Should have guessed you'd pull up something unrelated to the
article under discussion. Not that we're surprised; you're usual tactic
when faced with something you don't understand is to change the topic.
Now, back onto topic.
<snip rest of irrelevent matieral not related to article under discussion>


Of course you cannot provide any link to support your claim. I,
however, can provide a link to not one, but two studies which completely
disproves your vitamin C/E bullshit:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16291830&query_hl=39&itool=pubmed_docsum

Title says it all: "Vitamin E and Vitamin C Supplementation does not
Improve the Clinical Course of Measles with Pneumonia in Children: a
Controlled Trial."

This paper shows that feeding children fortified milk (which has C & E
added to it) can reduce incidence of measles slightly, but doesn't even
come close to eliminating it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15294513&query_hl=39&itool=pubmed_docsum


Yep, because it completely obliterates your arguments. The only way you
can maintain your beliefs is to ignore all of the thousands of
scientific and medical studies which show you're full of crap.

Bryan