pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com

Highly unlikely, but:

"Authorities found Kateland had 3,400 milligrams of salt in her
stomach when she died April 9, 2001, said Gary Hayes, a deputy coroner
in Imperial County. More salt had already passed into her system at
the time of her death, he said. "

Note that last sentence. 3,400 mg remaining might suggest her system
was suffused with salt and could not absorbe more...leaving this
residue.

Usually a system of laboratory reduction, various methods find
different substances, is used. The entire body would have to be
reduced to discover how much had actually passed into her system.

This ranks right up there with hot peppers in the mouth as a
"sensible" discipline, or castor oil, now doesn't it?

I'm just guessing of course but it does go to show how wonderfully
free to devise such tortures parents are now going to be what with
Bush's signing of the new CAPTA.

While CPS workers are off trying to convince now skitterish judges to
issue a warrant the parents get to disappear the witness or cow them
or manipulate them into recanting. Lovely situation.

Lots more investigation AFTER injury or death.

If you'd like to know more of the truth of what CPS has to deal with
in the aftermath of such treatment of children by their parents
subscribe to The New York Times, that paragon of liberal reportage
that usually is hot for a negative story about CPS and see what they
say in this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/30/nyregion/30FOST.html

More than 300 of the 4,000 or so New Jersey children who spent time in
the inpatient wards in the last year — children ages 6 to 17 — were
foster children. They spent, on average, a month in the wards, four
times the average stay for other children.

Hospital administrators, child welfare officials and others say there
is just no real alternative — that scarcely any spots are available in
residential after-care, and that even fewer foster families are
capable of taking in difficult children.


These children are so damaged by their parents they cannot even be
cared for adequately by foster parents. The untold story here is that
some that end up in these facilities cannot even be stablized...too
damaged when they come into the system.


Best, Kane

r. steve walz

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Trolling again, eh, you shit-****ing s***!!
Steve

r. steve walz

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3.4 grams.
Steve

lavonne carlson

I read the article, Kane, and you're right. "We doan need no s****kin'
CPS!" If that little child died from her punishment, at least CPS wasn't
involved and the family found an alternative to spanking.

Remember when Neal posted his infamous recommendation to corporal
punishment -- force feed children hot pepper? Remember how Fern defended
his position? And Fern firmly believes we need no gosh-darn CPS
interfering with those loving parents and their rights to harm their
children in whatever manner they choose.

LaVonne

dan sullivan

And don't forget that neal actually timed one minute till his child was
allowed to spit out the red pepper AND THEN he timed five MORE minutes till
he allowed them to get a drink of water, which only made the pain LAST LONGER!!!!!


What was her reasoning?


Certainly we do need some responsible, properly trained, and properly
supervised people trying to protect children from being harmed by their own
relatives.

BUT we HAVE to get rid of the lazy, egotistical, self-glorifying,
unaccountable for their actions social worker wannabes who make up so much
of CPS around the country.

Take the cash register mentality out of CPS' motivations and put the REAL
best interests of the children back where it belongs... as the ONLY true
goal for their existence.

Best, Dan

doan

What does this have to do with me???

And Kane9 was too stupid to read the COPYRIGHT notice!!! Since he claimed
to be "never-spanked", his intelligent cannot be blamed on spanking (as
other anti-spanking zealotS usually do). It, therefore must be inherited!
;-)

Doan

familyfree

"It, therefore must
be inherited! ;-)"

Lol, you may be right.
"Kane9" posted 'this' gem just a couple days ago
at ascps:
"I know I stopped taking showers with both my kids on the day
either of them said, pointing, "What's that daddy." Seems a good indicator.
They were under two years old, and the first awareness of "differences" were showing up."

--
free.

dan sullivan

How much salt is 3400 milligrams?

pohakuyakokane@subdimension.com

Highly unlikely, but:

"Authorities found Kateland had 3,400 milligrams of salt in her
stomach when she died April 9, 2001, said Gary Hayes, a deputy coroner
in Imperial County. More salt had already passed into her system at
the time of her death, he said. "

Note that last sentence. 3,400 mg remaining might suggest her system
was suffused with salt and could not absorbe more...leaving this
residue.

Usually a system of laboratory reduction, various methods find
different substances, is used. The entire body would have to be
reduced to discover how much had actually passed into her system.

This ranks right up there with hot peppers in the mouth as a
"sensible" discipline, or castor oil, now doesn't it?

I'm just guessing of course but it does go to show how wonderfully
free to devise such tortures parents are now going to be what with
Bush's signing of the new CAPTA.

While CPS workers are off trying to convince now skitterish judges to
issue a warrant the parents get to disappear the witness or cow them
or manipulate them into recanting. Lovely situation.

Lots more investigation AFTER injury or death.

If you'd like to know more of the truth of what CPS has to deal with
in the aftermath of such treatment of children by their parents
subscribe to The New York Times, that paragon of liberal reportage
that usually is hot for a negative story about CPS and see what they
say in this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/30/nyregion/30FOST.html

More than 300 of the 4,000 or so New Jersey children who spent time in
the inpatient wards in the last year — children ages 6 to 17 — were
foster children. They spent, on average, a month in the wards, four
times the average stay for other children.

Hospital administrators, child welfare officials and others say there
is just no real alternative — that scarcely any spots are available in
residential after-care, and that even fewer foster families are
capable of taking in difficult children.


These children are so damaged by their parents they cannot even be
cared for adequately by foster parents. The untold story here is that
some that end up in these facilities cannot even be stablized...too
damaged when they come into the system.


Best, Kane

r. steve walz

------------
3.4 grams.
Steve