pohakuyakokane

Sure, go ahead.

It happens so seldom from you.

Not that I know of, but considering how many ancestors we all have and
the prevalence of booze the world over for thousands of years, who can say?

Low birth weight. Often respiratory complications.


Being sued by the people you run into, or your estate sued by the
survivors of the victim of your carelessness and stupidity.

Are you suggesting that damage doesn't happen to a child in utero with
a drinking mother? Or are you suggesting, Corn, that talking on a cell
phone while driving has some bearing on serious physical anomolies to
fetuses?

You been hittin' the Liguid Fertilizer heavy again haven't you?


Why yes it is. We have you, of course, and a growing population of
folks cheated out of a fuller life because of this error on the part
of the mother...and I hear there is some support for claims that the
father, if a drinker, may have some effects on the child as well.


So declares a Portulacca. Others don't agree. They think it important
that we all be reminded that people come here with agendas, and some
could be very self serving, don't you think?

Oh, do you wish to tell us all HOW he is an advocate, in every sense
of the word? His hobby? His work? His dreamstate meanderings?


Everyone thinks they are. Even Hitler believed he was the savior of
his people, the White Aryans.


hidden)

Let me see now. I introduced the concept that your experience with a
**** might not be totally what you think it was, and you supported my
suspicion by pointing out my experience with pathological
personalities...that are highly skilled at looking normal and
good...and you wish to discuss CPS and taming it.

Okay, I'll play.

All interventions have the risk of harm. CPS has no lock on the game.
The only way to reduce the risk of harm from CPS intervention would be
to have them NOT intervene and then we and the child would have to
live with the consequences. And we've seen how many posts you've put
in the ngs pointing out the FAILURE to intervene problem.

Peanut, have you ever examined your Gerbils?

I concede the point. Given that the majority of posters are hopeless
twits, lying assholes, or completely out of the loop...you seem to fit
the latter description though I'll give you the entire range if you
wish, it should come as no surprize that I'd insult the majority.

Have you noticed the minority that I haven't insulted? Now that's the
crop you should watch, and watch out for because they see through you
and your cohorts quite clearly.

And it hasn't been "almost every poster". I'm waaaaaaaaaay behind but
working on it. Thanks for the reminder.

You are a Bongo and my little toy......Wanna bet on who is playing
who?

Maybe in 20 years I'll let you in on it....

For now, be at Peace, Petunia.

r r r r

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman

"Because"...it's a flawed system and families are hurt and destroyed.
Children are killed. Because: it is there. Because...We 'ARE' here...
and...We are not going to go away.

--
Dennis Deakin
State Director:Illinois
CPSWatch, Inc.
http://www.cpswatch.com/il

pohakuyakokane

I've seen folks negatively impacted by plumbers. On the other hand I'm
not prepared to lie about all plumbers by pretending that all can be
judged by the actions of the one.

Are you lobbying your state legislature to this end? Do you write
letters to the editor proposing more taxes for this purpose. Are you
aware that these are federal programs and that strings are attached to
federal dollars that some states do not want to leave in the hands of
the feds to be pulled on the whim of crackpots like you?

Then why do you pursue exactly the path, and support exactly the
programs and acitivities that would result in more police state
powers?

You freqently squeak that CPS should do this, or that, but you seem to
shut your little Petals and go to sleep whenever you are asked to show
how such things will be funded, or you join in the lies and claim CPS
already has more than enough money.

Nobody here needs to be convinced that more and better prevention
services, and support to families is needed. You just keep standing
there babbling about it as though everyone else should do something
while you Sway in the wind of your hot air.

Stoneman

greegor

Kane:
Would you advocate for massive undercover operations including
bugging and taped telephone calls, by a contractor for some
powerful federal authority like, say US DHHS OIG?
(Justified since US Civil Rights are at stake!!)

To weed out the crooked and unethical caseworkers from the
good ones you're talking about?

Offer them a big bounty for each bad apple they find too.
It works for Child Protection agencies.

My family has had three that we can identify, and two or
three who cycled through so fast they didn't even get identified.

Given that the malfeasance and abuses are on paper
and would be obvious to any ethical worker, do you
think all three would qualify as corrupt?
None tried to correct proven false information.

I wonder if the two or three unknown caseworkers
might have "passed" on the case because it was so
obviously unethical and wrong??

Where do you draw the line on who is guilty of
malfeasance in these jobs of "playing god with families"?
Would you count the ones who just "go along" also?
(Perpetuate what they know is wrong?)

dan sullivan

Kane wasn't lobbying for Head Start money.

He asked Fern if SHE was.

Kane wrote to Fern, "Are you lobbying your state legislature to this end? Do
you write letters to the editor proposing more taxes for this purpose. Are
you aware that these are federal programs and that strings are attached to
federal dollars that some states do not want to leave in the hands of the
feds to be pulled on the whim of crackpots like you?"

See, Greg.

You have it backwards... as usual

Why am I not surprised?

Can't count higher than 4, Greg?

Quite the education you have.

Dan

pohakuyakokane

On 30 Jul 2003 01:51:46 -0700, Greegor@hotmail.com (Greg Hanson)

Me? Lobby for federal money...r r r r r.

Yah gotta be kidding.

You reveal just how ****ed up your thinking is when you get my
commentary backwards.

I doubt there is a single person that read that post that fails to see
that I was warning The Plant against soliciting, as It so often does,
MORE federal programs money. That's why child welfare is in the
trouble it's in....as so many other programs that take away from the
states and then offer it back with strings. Your tax dollars, NOT at work.


I'll give yah ten to one odds he's not. Now who will hold our money?


Let me see now. I've been ranting in these ngs for years that federal
intervention through Title IV-E baiting is a bad thing, that states
need more control over their own citizens fates, that ASFA was a
continuation of an already flawed CAPTA, and you think I like bigger
government. Oh sure, and little girls pee their pants when you move
into their family because they really just want to defy you.

I'm still in favor of it, but it needs to have it's heavily federal
dependent purse strings snatched back by the states.


Oh, you were training the child to swim then, when you pushed her head under the shower?

Oh, that could explain things.

I'm something of an advocate of homeschooling, but I do know that here
and there, there are abuses by parents that claim they are
homeschooling when they are doing nothing of the sort. I wouldn't
trust you to homeschool for a minute.

Kane

pohakuyakokane

That is a patent lie. It is traumatizing to SOME children, and it may
be the only alternative to a life of extreme trauma in their natural parent's home.


Fertilizer. All efforts are less than perfect except possibly in Ichibana.

That is only part of ASFA, the very part that you Knotholes cary most
about. And ASFA does NOT require many of the things you pretend it does.


How many months of derision and posting the truth here did it take for
you finally to let go of the claim that it is required by law, in
ASFA? Now you better think your way through it again r.r.r.r, and
figure out the greater truth. They have to if they can. And the
efforts they are only NOW being required to perform and not
sustainable by the funding available under ASFA. It will all come out
in the wash.

Lie. The consistently come out in far better shape than when they came
in, injuries both psychologial and physical healed to whatever degree
they could be in the time available.

Absolutely, and they have the same fundamental liberty interest in
being parented with out violence, ***ual abuse, and drugs in their
system from a mother than couldn't stop partying when she was
pregnant.

Do a look up on fetal alcohol syndrom some time and look at the
mishappen heads, the wandering eyes, and the crippled brains that result.


It's wonderful to reset the bar after the course has been set. All the
audit really shows is that the federal mandate was unreasonable and underfunded.

Sure. And they have no bias in their interest, right?


Odd, your buddy, the other Woodenhead, seems to think that there is a
clear line between abusive parents and non-parents and those on the
abusive side should lose their children every time...as it is a crime,
while that are working up to it should be left alone because they
haven't sufficiently injured the child yet, or killed them. Try to get
together won't you?


The most intelligent kids I ever worked with were masters at
manipulating people like you, and in fact were psychiatric cases. Put
them on the street and no one but a trained professional could have
told they were extremely maladjusted sociopaths. You keep claiming you
are a professional. In what?


Well, that explains your thoughtless malice.

Tah, Tarragon.

Kane

fern5827

Would you like me to cite the incidence of FAS? Kane.

Only the facts....ma'am.........

Do you drink, yourself?

Alcoholism in your family?


How about smoking? Talking on a cell while driving?

Is this something personal to you?

Kane, the debate is meaningless. Doug is an ADVOCATE in every sense of the
word.

Not only that--he's a good human being.

Actually, CPS will be tamed by its excessive and possibly harmful
interventions, and its excessive costs (often kickbacks, and hidden)


Kane have you ever examined your verbals? You have managed to insult almost
every poster on these NG's.

You are being played........

pohakuyakokane

Sure, go ahead.

It happens so seldom from you.

Not that I know of, but considering how many ancestors we all have and
the prevalence of booze the world over for thousands of years, who can say?

Low birth weight. Often respiratory complications.


Being sued by the people you run into, or your estate sued by the
survivors of the victim of your carelessness and stupidity.

Are you suggesting that damage doesn't happen to a child in utero with
a drinking mother? Or are you suggesting, Corn, that talking on a cell
phone while driving has some bearing on serious physical anomolies to
fetuses?

You been hittin' the Liguid Fertilizer heavy again haven't you?


Why yes it is. We have you, of course, and a growing population of
folks cheated out of a fuller life because of this error on the part
of the mother...and I hear there is some support for claims that the
father, if a drinker, may have some effects on the child as well.


So declares a Portulacca. Others don't agree. They think it important
that we all be reminded that people come here with agendas, and some
could be very self serving, don't you think?

Oh, do you wish to tell us all HOW he is an advocate, in every sense
of the word? His hobby? His work? His dreamstate meanderings?


Everyone thinks they are. Even Hitler believed he was the savior of
his people, the White Aryans.


hidden)

Let me see now. I introduced the concept that your experience with a
**** might not be totally what you think it was, and you supported my
suspicion by pointing out my experience with pathological
personalities...that are highly skilled at looking normal and
good...and you wish to discuss CPS and taming it.

Okay, I'll play.

All interventions have the risk of harm. CPS has no lock on the game.
The only way to reduce the risk of harm from CPS intervention would be
to have them NOT intervene and then we and the child would have to
live with the consequences. And we've seen how many posts you've put
in the ngs pointing out the FAILURE to intervene problem.

Peanut, have you ever examined your Gerbils?

I concede the point. Given that the majority of posters are hopeless
twits, lying assholes, or completely out of the loop...you seem to fit
the latter description though I'll give you the entire range if you
wish, it should come as no surprize that I'd insult the majority.

Have you noticed the minority that I haven't insulted? Now that's the
crop you should watch, and watch out for because they see through you
and your cohorts quite clearly.

And it hasn't been "almost every poster". I'm waaaaaaaaaay behind but
working on it. Thanks for the reminder.

You are a Bongo and my little toy......Wanna bet on who is playing
who?

Maybe in 20 years I'll let you in on it....

For now, be at Peace, Petunia.

r r r r

bingo bango bongo.

Stoneman

carmonfaith

Fern...
From time to time and once again you talk of your "**** friends". I
don't know how old you are, but you've stated to have grown children.
It seems odd to me that you call them your **** friends. Aren't you a
little old to have **** friends? I would be leary of any **** being
"friends" with you as you seem real good at trying to stir the pot. It
is so evident that you don't have a clue what foster parents go through,
or you would instead help your "**** friends" learn how to cope with day
to day life and be more positive. F****ve, you may have to look the
word positive up in the dictionary, it may be something you are
unfamiliar with.