verger

http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,1413,125~1549~1888219,00.html

nakedlightbulb

(From the article)
"Betty Bickers, a psychotherapist from Santa Ana, says Jackson, with his
magical thinking and apparent paranoia, displays traits of a person with a
schizotypal personality disorder."

I still don't agree with this assessment, though Cogge might feel a little
vindicated. )

Thanks for sharing, Verge.


Diana (of the Moon)
"Ethics be damned. We need more pens."

coggè

just remember every person is individual. Even their dysfunctional behavior
manifests differently. I often find myself rejecting the notion that I am
bipolar, because so many bipolar people I know (and I know many because I
used to run that group) were so dysfunctional, and I don't see myself that
way. Nonetheless, I am on lithium and I struggle with classic DSM sx.

cogge

verger

On 18 Jan 2004 01:03:27 GMT, *****lightbulb@aol.completmess (Diana


We had adiscussion about this sort of thing in NL. Where some
psyhciatrists openly gave thgeir opinion on the man who killed Pim
Fortuyn. Some believed him to be an Asperger.

Others then said it was inapropriate to publicly state your opinion
based on little or no info.

Around here we are really careful about these things.

I think that psychotherapist should not have said anything and leave
it to the people that will study Jackson which will happen no doubt.

warlock

exactly. to be perfectly blunt, most of the *highly-dysfunctional* people
i've met who have been diagnosed as "bipolar" or with a "personality
disorder" were simply drug-addled -- either in the form of "psychotropic
meds" or having a history of hardcore illicit drug use, or both.

i realize that is a sweeping generalization, but it's been my observation.
using myself as an example, there is no question that i have a history of
"emotional disturbance" that has manifested in an inability to cope with
facets of life under various cir***stances; but for most of my life i've
functioned just fine and that is the way people react to me. of course
those people haven't a clue as to my internal torments -- those things only
becoming apparent in very close relationships which i've shunned for the
most part; but the "average joe" who meets me on the streets is going to
think i'm just another "average joe" with no apparent symptoms of "mental
illness."

on the other hand, the people i've met who were obviously "nuts" had a
chemical-abuse problem. plain and simple.

nakedlightbulb

Several influential PD theorists I've read have declared that BPD, along with
StPD, is a severely dysfunctional syndrome and anyone who has this personality
structure is fundamentally defective and can never lead a truly functional
life, ever. I get the feeling these scholarly dudes spend all their time in
ivory tower offices, picking their noses in front of computer models, and have
never actually *met* anyone with BPD ans worked with them day-to-day,
week-to-week.

I've met several BPD people and one lady whom I suspect is StPD (though she's
secretive and never revealed her psych history to her friends), yet all of
these folks have functioned just fine in society 95% of the time. Most of them
are more successful in the conventional sense than I am, even though my own
AvPD is not theorized to be so irredeemably "crazy." So I don't know where
half the DSM scholars get off casting such a broad net of generalizations.


Diana (of the Moon)
"Ethics be damned. We need more pens."