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it is.extremely effective.not only will it control or maintain a
heroin addiction but it will also block the effects of heroin which
was a big bonus for me.still not sure how addictive/difficult to
withdraw it'll be,but hoping it wont be too bad.matt

dr no

..
|
| Then my pdoc prescribed buprenorphine sublingval tablets. The first 0,2 mg
| tablet made me vomit six times some hours later. Then I tried half a
tablet
| in a new try, and in combination with meclozine. It was very important not
| to move and not to be stressed the first hours after taking buprenorphine,
| because then I would vomit. The effect of buprenorphine when one moves is
| like seasickness the first week of treatment. Therefore I took it when I
| went to bed in the evening.

Is it similar to methadone?
Dr. No

dave bird

In article<KBXac.63866$1A6.1663791@news20.bellglobal. com>, Dr No
<alias_pierre@Spamphobic-hotmail.com> writes:

No. While methadone acts as a substitute without providing the same
extreme high, subutex has mixed pro-opiate and anti-opiate effects.
It will remove craving. It will also make heroin unpleasant to use.
I don't think you can build a substitute-craving for subutex.

What I've picked up from listening to people is that its very effective

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"If I have seen further than other men, (0_
it is because I have been surrounded (o. | (o. (o.
by pygmies." /\ //\ /\ /\
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dave bird

In article<FUETgwBZ4zaAFwb4@xemu.demon.co.uk>, Dave Bird <dave.xemu.dele
teThe@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes:


Apomorphine is useful for its dopaminergic effect against
Parkinsonism and female sexual duysfunction, but its chief
-- and dose limiting effect -- is that it makes you vomit.
This is because there is too much peripheral dopamine.
I expect the effect of peripheral dopamine is basically
parasympathetic (feeding and sex) boosting, but too much
of it produces too much salivation hence vomiting.

If this dopamine is being made peripherally from the
precursor "L-dopa" i.e. dopaminic acid by decarboxylation,
would "Carbidopa" -- as given with L-Dopa for parkinsonism --
reduce the problem?


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"If I have seen further than other men, (0_
it is because I have been surrounded (o. | (o. (o.
by pygmies." /\ //\ /\ /\
\/_ V_/_ \/_ \/_

john smith

|In
article<KBXac.63866$1A6.1663791@news20.bellglobal.
com>, Dr No
|<alias_pierre@Spamphobic-hotmail.com> writes:
|>| Then my pdoc prescribed buprenorphine
sublingval tablets. The first 0,2 mg
|>| tablet made me vomit six times some hours
later. Then I tried half a
|>tablet
|>| in a new try, and in combination with
meclozine. It was very important not
|>| to move and not to be stressed the first hours
after taking buprenorphine,
|>| because then I would vomit. The effect of
buprenorphine when one moves is
|>| like seasickness the first week of treatment.
Therefore I took it when I
|>| went to bed in the evening.
|>
|>Is it similar to methadone? Dr. No
|
| No. While methadone acts as a substitute without
providing the same
| extreme high, subutex has mixed pro-opiate and
anti-opiate effects.
| It will remove craving. It will also make
heroin unpleasant to use.
| I don't think you can build a substitute-craving
for subutex.
|
| What I've picked up from listening to people is
that its very effective
|
|
|
|--
|"If I have seen further than other men,
(0_
| it is because I have been surrounded (o.
| (o. (o.
| by pygmies." /\
//\ /\ /\
| \/_
V_/_ \/_ \/_

Unfortunately, that is incorrect. Subutex is a
straight buprenorphine tab. I suspect you are
thinking of suboxone when you state that it makes
heroin unpleasant since suboxone has the opiate
antagonist naloxone mixed in the tab.

dave bird

In article<4075adfa$0$82229$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, John Smith
<someone@microsoft.com> writes:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I stand corrected (addiction is somewhat outside my main areas
of knowledge).


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"If I have seen further than other men, (0_
it is because I have been surrounded (o. | (o. (o.
by pygmies." /\ //\ /\ /\
\/_ V_/_ \/_ \/_

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subutex makes the effects of heroin useless,if over 4 mg is
taken.under 4 mg will not make taking heroin any less unpleasant.that
is why it is suitable for addicts. they spend there money on
heroin,which to them is essentially useless.subutex and suboxone are
very similar from what ive heard