Haiti was under French control, and Cuba unders Spanish.


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At the time the founders of our nation left Europe, there
was no place like that on the entire earth. They had to
carve it out, and this did mean doing it outside of the
societies they found in the Americas.


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The one who tells you that not believing a certain way will
lead to horrible results in the afterlife is a terrorist,
whether violent or not. As is the one who imposes economic
or social sanctions against "pagans" and "infidels".

And why is he a threat?

It should be obvious. Terrorism is being used against those
children who are ostracized for refusing to say the words
"under God" in the pledge. I personally see these as either
government sponsored prayer or if not, for those who believe
in the Decalogue, as an explicit violation of the Third
Commandment, which is the way I see it. There

I agree to a considerable extent with disliking Secular
Humanism, especially as it is used in the schools. However,
free exercise of religion does not mean the right to use
coercion to convert others to your beliefs. That includes
those of my religion who do this, even if only to those they consider heretics.


I do not hate religion; what I hate is the attempt to put
pressure to convert, or to impose religious dicta (any
religion) on those who do not wish to follow them. I
consider Marxism, and much of the "liberalism" in this
group, to be religion; religion does not just have to do
with deities worshiped.

Jefferson was religious; he had no brief for any of the
organized religions.

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I suggest you see what Shakespeare said about this topic;
it is in _Hamlet_. Hamlet says that Denmark is a prison;
further, the whole world is, and Denmark is one of the cells.
The courtier states that he does not feel he is in prison,
to which Hamlet remarks that then he (the courtier) is not.


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With the "liberal" view starting in the 19th century that
any idiots or savages squatting on a territory have an
absolute right to stay on the land, and cannot even sell
that right, this is the case. Quite a few of the Indian
tribes were living on land they had expropriated from other
tribes, some quite recently. In fact, one of the tribes
complaining about its treatment by the US was on land which
two other tribes had a treaty for, with the Civil War
causing them not able to ask for assistance. That tribe
was kicked out of Minnesota by a different tribe.

UNCLAIMED. Everything in Baffin Bay belongs to Canada.

They found a small atoll which none of the maps indicated
belonged to anyone. I believe it was Tonga which sent its
navy to grab it.

The most realistic suggestions I have seen have been to
put up an anchored city in the Caribbean, or to make a
deal with Russia for Arctic Ocean land; the latter might
run into the current fuss about environmentalism.


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One can deal with governments in most cases.


The US did a good job with the South Vietnamese guerrillas,
probably the best that had been done. But give the North
Vietnamese Army the capability to act that way, without
fear of retaliation, and take away the will; the US was
not defeated on the battlefield, but on the propaganda field.

Afghanistan is somewhat as expected; nobody expected the
Iraqi collapse and subsequent guerrilla warfare with the
pile of weapons made available by the collapse.


The Pope is in that group; whether he would continue if
that behavior was subject to penalty is unclear. The Pope
no longer takes the position that those who do not accept
Catholic dogma are doomed to hell. I do not think the
Archbishop would go anywhere near that far, either. Billy
Graham, yes, and he would not dispute it. It is attempting
to force others, not what the individual believes, which is the major offense.

Why not try it? We do not need the Divine right of
governments; in fact, the Declaration of Independence
argues against it. Until recently, the US opposed all
attempts at secession; lately, it has not.

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Intelligent action, in healthcare or otherwise, REQUIRES
prediction of the future. Federally sponsored housing
projects, designed by the social workers and the like to
reduce crime, have become notorious crime breeding sites.
That the social workers considered that type of housing
to be good was not grounds for assuming that the ghetto
dwellers would agree.

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Hamlet saw the world and his nation as a prison. And Hamlet was very
weird and prone to ruminating at length about such peculiar topics as
whether to be or not to be. I think Hamlet was the first libertarian!

Bettina

On 15 Nov 2003 17:19:01 -0500, hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman

Strange that you'd make that statement since there are several reports
floating around that predict that guerrilla action would flourish in
Iraq and that we would not be able to control it.


So you dislike all forms of religion, all forms of government and the
associated regulation, etc. Could it be that you simply dislike what
passes for civilization these days?


Because no one has been foolish to advocate secession. Let an
organized group arise and I feel quite certain that they would be
quashed.. and rightly so.

Try it?? Try what? There's nothing to 'try', it's simply pie in the
sky thinking.

pixie

On 15 Nov 2003 17:25:29 -0500, hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman


Boloney!! Let me give you a personal scenario. A couple of weeks ago
my neighbor came to my door bleeding heavily after suffering a rather
severe laceration to his hand while working in the garage. I placed a
pressure bandage on the injury and drove him to the ER for the
necessary treatment. No 'prediction of the future' was necessary,
only COMMON SENSE!

pixie