Mombu 2012-01-19 22:45:38
I am a 55 year old male who is 6’2″ tall and weigh about 212 lbs.. I
consider myself to be in good shape .
I do about 50 minutes or more of aerobic activity at least 4 times a
week and I do weights about twice a week. For some strange reason over
the last 6 months or so, I’ve developed some extra fat deposits around
my upper waist despite having addied ab work to my workouts several
months ago. Pants that fit fine last summer are now tight around my
waist. I have gained about 6 lbs. in the last year but I’m sure that
most of that went to my arms and shoulders because people have pointed
out to me that I’m larger in those places.
I realize that “spot” reducing doesn’t work and was wondering if anyone
had any advice for me.
Steve freides 2012-01-19 22:46:03
It’s likely that you gained a bit of weight all over. 6 pounds in your
arms and shoulders would be quite a bit. Don’t forget that, all other
things being equal, we all gain about 1 pound per year of fat as we
age. It’s a battle we all must fight, I’m afraid.
Personally, I think aerobic activity is what makes a lot of people fat –
it makes you carb hungry. Experiment with tilting your program more
towards resistance training by cutting the cardio back from 50 minutes
or more to 40 minutes or less, and add a third regular weight workout
each week. I used to do tons of running, bicycling, and swimming, and I
now do less of each, lift more, and feel (and look) much better for the
Bill 2012-01-19 22:46:14
I would add a puzzled caution here, though I spend about 3+ hours each week
lifting at Gold’s, and enjoy Steve’s advice in various groups.
To control appetite work on your diet. That alone could eventually take off
the extra. Regarding appetite control: avoid snacks and meals with a high
glycemic load, esp. sugar, white bread, starch, etc. and add more complex
carbohydrates, esp. salads, whole grains, fresh fruit, vegetables, and lean
However, to speed this, burn as many calories as you can during your
available exercise time. Slow running burns about 140 calories per mile,
about 1000+ in an hour. It also tends to reduce appetite. Each week, you
might add an extra pleasurable trail run of an hour or more in the cool of
morning or evening, interspersed with short walking breaks if you have the
need. That will burn about 1.5 pounds per month. Depending on your diet,
you might achieve the recommended maximum monthly weight loss of 2 pounds.
You could even take an active dog along with you to keep it relaxed.
Xyz 2012-01-19 22:46:17
To me it quite simple. If you are gaining fat….You’re
consuming to many calories. Not too many carbs, proteins, sugars or
gummy bears just too many calories. As far as cloth fit it may be that
your body is changing shape due to the activities you are doing. I’ve
recently found that some of my pants are tight around the legs, not
fat but my legs are getting larger due to considerable larger amount
of time on the bike. I would suggest a couple of things. One would be
to get a body fat analysis now and then check it again in six months.
If you think you can healthily go to a lower body fat percentage then
burn more calories or eat fewer, simple.
In my experinace getting caught up in, eat this or eat that or
do this or do that normally doesn’t work. If you follow the one rule
“eat less” and or “do more” you will lose fat. Unless of course you
have some special medical condition as apparently 60% of my fellow
Americans claim to have.
Steve freides 2012-01-19 22:46:31
Thank you for the kind words.
I think you make a good point but I think it’s worth exploring a little
For me, too much running every day or nearly every day never saw me get
thinner, it saw me get *hungry*. I think there is a period of time
during which relatively new runners might experience a loss of appetite
and I know I usually am not hungry right after a run, but a few hours
later, stand back and I inhale all the food stuffs I can find! A lot of
this has to do with years in the bank, I feel. Even the first few years
of running felt good to me in terms of weight loss and appetite control,
but a regular diet of 35-50 minute runs almost every day just left me
tired, with little muscle, an even bigger appetite than I now have, and
a bigger waistline.
But I have found that a long effort once a week or so is great – I love
to go out for several hours on the bicycle on the weekends and do feel
like such an effort, not done more often than one a week, serves me
We’re all different and our original poster ought to experiment to see
what works best for him.
Hoff 2012-01-19 22:46:55
As I, too, am getting older, I’m wondering if I could get you to elaborate on some things?
Does the diet have to be lower fat? Will this help in the overall fat distribution?
Which (or what, maybe?) exercises would you consider “fat burning”?
Does this mean testosterone is trapped in fat cells, and can be released?
How much of a difference will the extra muscle make in what I can eat?
Thanks in advance!
John hudson 2012-01-19 22:47:07
It’s like watching a cat with a mouse!
It says a lot about you Hoff, that you want to lull an innocent,
before you move in for the kill!
If you’re wise Anna you’ll give this cruel ‘little’ man a wide berth!
Radioactive ma 2012-01-19 23:16:15
True, but it is not enough to say he is simply eating too many
calories. Most people just eat until they’re full, unless they have
some kind of an issue with overeating as a psychological addiction.
The best cure for overweight would be to eat foods less rich in
calories, since equal caloric amounts of different foods don’t usually
provide stomach filling effect. For example, one can eat a salad with
250 calories from the salad itself and 250 calories from the fat in
the dressing. But take away most of the fat in the dressing and the
person will not notice much difference in how full they feel
Much of the population in the U.S., myself included, rely on various
forms of fast food and ready-to-eat meals. Far too many of these
meals have excessive quantities of fats that aren’t really needed to
achieve good taste. For example, if you take away most of the oil in
a pan pizza or ranch dressing, you end up with a product that tastes
nearly as good as before, but with only a fraction of the calories.
To me, that is a reasonable trade-off: losing most of the excess
calores, but keeping most of the good taste. We, as consumers, should
be seeking out reasonable alternatives, such as the hand-toss pizza
and low-fat dressings.
The human body needs certain proportions of each of the major
nutrients (carbs, proteins, fats, etc.) in order to function properly.
Simply eating the right amount of total calories is not enough.
Ferd berfel 2012-01-19 23:16:17
I thought you were forever young.
A lower fat diet helps with fat that’s lower. That’s how it works. If
you have fat on your hips, which are considered “lower”, then a low-fat
diet works, but if all your fat is higher than your hips, then a low-fat
diet doesn’t help.
Trying to light a book of wet matches. When and if you get one lit,
hold it to your hips to burn off excess fat. I’ve seen few fat-burning
exercises that equal this one because of its multi-dimensional approach.
It’s not testosterone that’s trapped in fat cells, it’s the hormone
libidius. When libidius, which is directly responsible for the libido,
is released, testosterone levels soar. Everyone knows that looking at
yourself in the mirror when you’ve lost fat raises your libido, and the
rest follows from there.
If I took a guess, I’d say, “a lot.”
I hope I’ve shed some more light on the approach Anna is suggesting.
Ferd “TV Star of the ’60’s” Berfel
Xyz 2012-01-19 23:16:38
Absolutely no argument for me. Just a different issue than I
was trying to address. I think many people instead of saying “I’m
gaining weight I’m consuming to many calories” say “I’m gaining weight
I must be eating something wrong” which then, in many cases, leads to
a search for the “miracle” food or drug.
Without a doubt eating certain foods will give you a sense of
“fullness” with less calories. However eating a candy bar and waiting
for 20 minutes may also stave off hunger and give a sense of
satisfaction. I personally think many people rely on the “I’m full”
feeling to heavily particularly those that eat fast like myself. We
can consume alot of food before or body reacts and response with the
I’m full feeling.
I agree again. Just pointing out that by saying you shoudln’t
have “X” food because it makes you fat is simple false.(This point was
brought up in another post in this thread) “X” food may not satisfy
you so you may have the tendancy to eat to much of “X” food and that
makes you fat. But eating “X” food in proper portions and caloric
intake will not make you fat. ~Matt
Xyz 2012-01-19 23:16:39
So let me get this right. I have terribly large toes and a
rather oversized head, the one attached to my neck. Should I be on a
low fat diet or a high fat diet? Would I get quicker results by
alternating from high to low or just go with a medium fat diet? ~Matt
Carol frilegh 2012-01-19 23:16:45
Are you on a diet of any sort yet?
The Best Man for the Job is a Woman
Hoff 2012-01-19 23:17:43
Yes, well, in my mind I’m still about 17 or 18. Unfortunately, there are
these things called “mirrors”…
So High Fat for Fat higher than your hips.
Does this work in regard to protein/muscle as well? Low protein for lower body, etc.?
This approach would also seem to lend itself to spot reduction. Interesting.
Sounds like you have some issues, here. Personally, looking at myself in
the mirror does nothing for my libido.
Perhaps you’ve listened one too many times to Jackson Browne’s “Rosie”?
Thanks for your time.
Lee michaels 2012-01-19 23:17:46
Uhh, David, what’s up with the heads up??
Are you getting soft in your old age?
David cohen 2012-01-19 23:17:48
I’m being nice. The nice people in the doggie newsgroups yell at me,
nicely, for being not nice, so I’m trying out this nice thing? What
the g****** m************ business is it of yours? Oops, sorry. See,
you made me do the not nice thing again. I may be a hopeless case 🙁
“You’re a f****** moron, David Cohen.”—August Pamplona
Anna hayward 2012-01-19 23:17:50
Will do, as soon as I’ve replied to this. I was actually considering
having a look at your newsgroup because weight-training interests me,
but having seen the quality of posters on that group I think not.
Seems maybe he should look in the mirror if he’s looking for idiots. You
aren’t giving a terrific account of yourself either.
No, that was just an Internet version of friendly conversation
(evidently wasted on people who prefer the Internet equivalent of
playground bullying). My main professional interest is in psychiatry and
neurology. Hmmm, maybe your newsgroup wouldn’t be such a dead loss after
Lee michaels 2012-01-19 23:17:52
Ain’t nobody here by us pragmatists and sensible folks.
For make nice and play nice go elsewhere.
For real stuff that works, stay here.
But that wouldn’t interest you, would it?
Ferd berfel 2012-01-19 23:17:55
Here, they are all broken. Don’t know why that is….
It all depends on what you mean by “for.”
Again, it all depends on what you mean by “for.”
And they said it couldn’t be done – balderdash, I say!
A good friend of ours had LipoSuction performed a month or so ago and
she couldn’t be happier with the results – yet another example of spot
reduction! Reminds me of that old cub scout song about great, big gobs
of greasy, grimy gopher guts, especially the line about the straw at the
end – but I digress.
Since we have no unbroken mirrors, I wouldn’t know. How did mirrors get
into this, anyway?
“It looks like it’s me and you again, tonight” – great song, but I have
a hard time playing that album in the car on family vacations. There’s
Rosie, which is OK for the kids as long as they don’t know any better,
but then there’s that Cocaine song – that clearly ain’t just method
acting they’re doing there, my friend.
When we aim, we aim to be concise.
It’s been my pleasure. BTW, can you name the TV show I was on? Hint:
Hoff 2012-01-19 23:18:00
Probably a good idea. Stick with the canned advice from Rosemary Clooney,
or whoever it was.
See what you get for trying to be “nice”, David? You just haven’t quite got
it down, yet.
You need to re-read Watson’s posts from the past copule of years.
The above paragraph is perhaps the scariest thing I’ve read here in quite
Mjuric 2012-01-19 23:18:02
Yes! I’ve been on the “Zone” diet but having a hard time
targeting these problem areas. ~Matt
Hoff 2012-01-19 23:18:04
It’s a conspiracy.
Well, thought I’d leave that open-ended. Let the theory develop a little more.
The kid’s don’t bother to listen to the lyrics. It’s all “old-time” music
I *did* ruin the song for my ex-mother-in-law, though.
Pshaw. How are the Farkles, anyway?
David cohen 2012-01-19 23:18:13
True. You would not like it here. Our “quality” is not well-synchronized.
I don’t recall any factually incorrect idiocy that Hoff or I posted, but, it’s possible.
I see. You prefer Internet (Usenet, actually, but let’s not start
being accurate now) groups where everybody is nice and supportive,
even when posting factually incorrect nonsense. I can understand your preference for that.
Interesting. I actually work with many neurologists, and a small
number of psychiatrists. Oddly, all of what they say, with regard to
their chosen fields, is based upon scientific facts, published
studies, years of experience, and I never recall them lapsing into the
internet version of urban legend, nor gross idiocy. Their patients,
and their patients’ families, actually seem to prefer that approach.
“Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous”…Voltaire
Art s 2012-01-19 23:18:15
Are you trying to channel Watson?
Sydenhams chor 2012-01-19 23:18:17
Matt, honey, give it up. You’ll never have me, even if you do lose your
Why don’t you old guys give it up? Who are you kidding? Do you *really*
think any girl with brains would pick one of you no-hoper ‘net losers? We
come here to laugh at you, not to admire your stuttering attempts to regain
the flat stomach of your youth.
Pant and grunt all you want. All you’ll get is the attention of some
airhead, washed-up, gym bunny. The *real* girls are with the guys who make
money so that we can spend it for them. H***, even they’re so stupid they
don’t realise that they’re being taken for a ride.
John hudson 2012-01-19 23:18:19
You could and would learn a lot here, but it’s not for the ‘faint-hearted’.
This smacks of the ‘playground’ tactics to which you apparently don’t subscribe.
This is true, but you were warned and chose to disregard that warning.
Unfortunately that then makes you ‘fair game’ and you must take the consequences!
Now this is very true; there are here a number of classic cases for
further observation and evaluation! ;o)
Khobman 2012-01-19 23:18:21
Interesting. I wonder how you are going to prove that?
I think it will require jpegs and PhD’s at the very least. Or are you not
that pretty or that smart?
I’ve never known gold-digging to require much of the latter.
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Khobman 2012-01-19 23:18:23
Be interesting to see how many regulars would be diagnosed as really crazy.
And for your info on various Raiders I’m known as ‘the Crazy Canuck’. And
proud of it! However that reference is more geared toward real life events
than usenet behaviour.
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Carol frilegh 2012-01-19 23:18:25
Why call on Dr. Pangloss, Cunegonde and Candide, when you can do this
Dr_dickie 2012-01-19 23:18:27
Naw, notice she said, “professional interest in,” that does not imply
knowledge, understanding, or competence in, just interest.
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
“Let be be finale of seem.
The only emperor is the emperor of ice-cream”
Sydenhams chor 2012-01-19 23:18:29
You silly little man. Why would I bother? As you have neither money,
sense or style (or you wouldn’t be wasting your life on Usenet, would you?)
you couldn’t possibly interest me.
Smart enough to recognise a loser when I read one.
I don’t have to dig. It comes running towards me on two legs shouting
“I’m here. Please notice me. I want to be your friend”
Lyle mcdonald 2012-01-19 23:18:31
Note use of the word ‘rare’.
Lyle mcdonald 2012-01-19 23:18:33
I saw you on Jenny Jones, didn’t I?
It was one of those “I was a teen dork, now I’m a s****.” shows
Hard headed wo 2012-01-19 23:18:36
I don’t know about that… Fleetwood Mac is one of my daughters favorite
bands, ‘Godzilla’ is one of her favorite songs, and every time we’re in the
car she she begs me to play the CD with ‘Guitar Man’ and ‘Rainy Days and
Mondays’…AND she knows the words to all of them!
David cohen 2012-01-19 23:18:37
The preceding statement does not reflect the position of the
International Zionist Cabal or any of its subsidiaries, and is meant
for entertainment purposes only. Do not try this at home. Closed
course. Professional driver. Results extraordinary. Your results will
“This is the worse forum alive.”- kev2112
Khobman 2012-01-19 23:18:40
My 16 year old son downloaded ‘Smoke On The Water’ and then told me he’d
found a real cool oldie by Hendrix. (The site he downloaded it from also
attributed ‘American Women’ by the Guess Who to Hendrix – I mean, as if JH
didn’t have enough good stuff of his own!).
So I set him straight and then handed him both my Machine Head cd and both
albums – I’d worn out one album by the time I was 19 and bought a
replacement, but couldn’t bear to throw out the original. Also told him if
he needed the lyrics I still had them memorized. He was a little sheepish,
but got a laugh out of it. Said he didn’t realize it was _that_ old!
My daughter also listens to my Beatles and Stones albums quite a bit.
As far as lyrics go – I’d be more concerned about them asking about Relax.
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Lyle mcdonald 2012-01-19 23:18:42
Thank you for the laugh, it cheered my day immensely.
This post has even more gross errors than what Adam wrote in the other
Hard headed wo 2012-01-19 23:18:59
Machine Head hasn’t been around that long, so I’m guessing that you mean
MOTORhead? (You tell ’em, Lemmy!)
Mine loves my Iron Maiden compilation (at age 11…I’m so proud!), but when
she starts singing along to NIN’s ‘Wanna F**K You Like An Animal’, I get a little nervous…
Relax? As in ‘Don’t Do It”?