George 2008-02-28 20:01:22
My mother-in-law tripped over her dog 2 months ago and bruised her ribs. She
went to a doctor, they sent her for x-rays and found she has a tumor on her
lung and small spec’s on her lympnodes! What she finds hard is she feels
My mother-in-law is 77 years old and in great shape, this is so sad. Her
husband died of lung cancer 7 years ago, my mother died of leukemia 6 years
ago. God I think we have went through enough s***!
Wednesday she is meeting with her Cancer doctor to discuss Chemo. She says
that if she will only live one year she would rather do without Chemo! This
is a hard call for her.
Carolyn 2008-02-28 20:01:33
I’m sorry to hear about your in-laws and your mother. I am 32 years old and
I have a brain tumour, discovered a year ago. I have been told by the
doctors that there is no cure, and that with radiotherapy (along with all
its risks, including blindness in my situation) I will live 2 years, but
without it only 1 year. I have refused all medical treatment – I figure if
I’m going to die anyway, why go throw all that pain and trouble just for an
extra 12 months? I would rather enjoy what time I’ve got. Like your
mother-in-law, I feel great too. I am glad that she has made her own
decision and not been pushed by the doctors to do it their way. As for
myself, I am trying other approaches with nutrition and alternative
Good luck to you all.
Mike radcliffe 2008-02-28 20:01:36
It’s good to hear people making choices and not just being swept along with
the medical current.
Alayne 2008-02-28 20:01:55
I am very sorry to hear about your mother-in-law, and that your family has
been touched with cancer so many times in the past.
Life can be so cruel, there is no reasoning.
I send you my warmest wishes and hugs.
J 2008-02-28 20:02:10
I’m sorry to hear that your family’s had so many losses due to cancer.
It sometimes comes with aging..
I don’t know what specks mean on lymph nodes but I imagine if they’re referring
her to an oncologist, they’re pretty sure it’s a malignant tumour.
I’d want to know the staging (whether other organs are affected or not) before
discussing treatments and especially, the location of the tumour.
Location, in case she becomes symptomatic, and radiation therapy is a
possibility..although not without risks/side effects and possible even if she
decides nothing aggressive and/or in palliative/hospice care at home.
Since she feels so well at the moment, she may have all kinds of things she
wants to do before it might get to that point, but may want to ask ahead as to
what’s available for possible future purposes. Oh and do make sure she’s got
her affairs in order..will, advanced directives, power of attorney of care,
power of attorney and all that bureaucratic stuff.
If she’s in Quebec, I don’t think she’ll be pressed for chemo, it might just be
a formality to make sure she’s made aware of her choices. Perhaps you or
someone else in the family can help her to compile a list of questions to ask ?
There’s may be prompters here http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/part1.html
Steph wrote these Questions to Ask http://tinyurl.com/vh34
Hopefully someone will be going with her to support her and take notes and not
pressure her to take aggressive chemo if she’s not interested.
We’ll be here for you also, even if you just want to post to vent.
keep in touch and let us know if we can be of assist and/or how it’s going.
J 2008-02-28 20:02:15
Hello Carolyn, I’m sorry to hear about your tumour.
I see in the newsgroup archives, you had some surgery – May 02?
Is that when they told you 2 years? Is it a slower growing type of brain
I guess radiotherapy and/or surgery are “tricky” for brain tumours.
I wouldn’t want to lose my sight either.
I’ve changed the subject line, so you can have your own thread and in case
others with brain tumours are watching for such
Keep in touch and let us know how you’re doing.
Carolyn 2008-02-29 07:40:52
Yes, I had surgery in June, and that’s when they told me I have 1 year.
They expected it would be as benign tumour, but it turned out to be a Grade
III malignant tumour (anaplastic astrocytoma). It is supposed to grow
relatively fast, but I have not noticed any change in a year. There are
people all over the world praying for me, so it must be doing some good!
For now I’m doing well, except that I have some numbness in my fingers –
maybe related, maybe not.
George 2008-02-29 07:41:38
My mother-in-law had her appointment today with her new Cancer doctor. He
seemed concerned about the headaches she has been having for the last month,
and she has a small bump on the back of her head.
Before going further with treating her Lung cancer he would like to verify
the above mentioned things. Her family doctor had told her it was her sinus
congestion causing her headaches. We are hoping that is what it is.
The whole process with doctors is brutal, doctors in Quebec are so
overworked that they tend to lack sympathy for there patients….I guess
this is another issue.
J 2008-02-29 17:46:51
I’m glad the cancer doctor picked up on that and is checking it out
George, that doesn’t sound good, unless when she tripped she fell and bumped her
If not the latter, that could may well impact on her decisions about treatments
Are they rushing the tests? CT scan? various x-rays?
I’m sorry about the doctor situation. Same here, if any of us can even find
Please get lots of rest as you can, if/while in wait mode for the tests.
Things might get very busy, very fast.
Keep in touch as you are able.
George 2008-02-29 17:47:13
Yes they are rushing the tests.She meets the doctor next Wednesday for a
treatment for her cancer. The decision will be hers. She is a very strong
J 2008-03-01 01:15:06
Keep us updated, George.
J 2008-03-01 01:15:11
Glad you’re doing well.
Have you actually had a recent scan to see what’s happening inside?
I’m glad people are pulling for you all over the world.
Take care and keep us updated.
Carolyn 2008-03-02 07:57:36
My last scan was early September. It appeared then that not much had
changed, but it was a bit hard to tell because the silly MRI people did the
slices at a different angle to the previous scans. My next scan is in
George 2008-03-02 15:29:52
My mother-in-law went today to meet her doctor and discuss treatments. He
said she has small cell cancer. She has a lump on her head which is Cancer.
The radiation was suppose to start today but because of our wonderful
Medicare system, the process may only start next week. She will also need
Chemo for her lungs…..aaaahhhhhh! God this whole process is frustrating.
Know we wait.
J 2008-03-03 01:34:14
I’ve sorry to hear the news. I was so hoping it was just a bump.
That is double bad news…because
For most patients with small cell lung cancer, current treatments do not cure
the cancer. Please note: instead of staging, NCI seems to split it between regional
(Limited) and “extensive” (mets to the brain or elsewhere),
So is the tumor on her head the same type of cancer? or a different type?
I hear your frustration about the wait, but perhaps it won’t make a difference
in the longer term.
Only if she has symptoms that need addressing ASAP.
In the meantime, they’re no doubt assessing your mother in law’s situation to
decide best treatment courses.
And in the meantime, give you and your mother in law and family some time to
digest the information and maybe ask about the consequences of treatments..for
instance radiation therapy. If you can answer the questons, perhaps Steph would
have some input.
Where exactly is the lump? At the base of her skull? or somewhere near the soft
tissue of the face…eyes..nose???
I sure hope you’re not going to tell me it’s coming through her very thick and
hard skull somewhere.
If so, on one hand that might be good news in that there’d be less internal
presssure and swelling and maybe not require steroids to reduce the
inflammation. On the other hand, if it’s broken out of the blood brain barrier
and through to near the surface of the skin, that’s a terrible situation to be
Not that this would compare for you, but I had a cat once who same happened on
her cheeks next to her nose. It turned into a weeping, bleeding mess.(sorry to
be so graphic)
I would imagine, she’d (maybe) be at high risk for infections, hemorrhages,
maybe CNS symptoms depending on where the tumor is in her head and the size of
it and it’s vascularization (blood supply).
I think at/near the base of the skull can cause paralysis. (of movement and/or
If it’s a surface tumor outside the skull, that’s much better news. (I think)
I/we can only await your clarificatons.
I care. Hang in there, will try to be here for you.
George 2008-03-03 01:35:07
Thanks for all the input, the tumor is on the rear of her skull. It seems to
be a surface tumor.
Radiation should be starting next Wednesday…we hope!
We took her out for supper tonight, she feels great and looks great. Her
headaches are gone, the doctor gave her medication for her headaches.
To make matters worse today my father admitted himself to the hospital today
complaining about chest pains. It turns out he may have had a mild heart
attack. He to is 77 years old, he owns a small garage and still works full
I know he is strong and will pull through without any problems.
Alayne 2008-03-03 01:35:30
Sorry to hear your latest news about your father – life is never fair
sometimes is it. Just when you are coping with one crisis along comes
You sound very positive despite all your troubles and I send you warm wishes
and hugs to help ease the strain.
J 2008-03-03 12:49:37
Glad to hear it’s a surface tumor, George,
Thanks for clarifying.
Happy to hear she’s enjoying quality of life. That’s important.
Dad had a mild heart attack about your Dad’s age and lived years longer and died
of other causes.
So we’ll hang onto hope that your Dad will be back to his garage in no time
doing what he enjoys.
Trish knight 2008-03-03 12:49:40
So sorry to hear about this latest development with your dad!! Here’s sending
prayers and good thoughts your way. And hugs too!!
((((( George & Family )))))
George 2008-03-03 12:50:28
Thanks to all, you are all a great group. Thanks
Howian 2008-03-04 17:13:13
I think the statistics you quote may be misleading. Taking lung which I know,
one cannot say there is a concrete number of months a patient will live. A
doctor can only make an estimate based upon certain risk factors. My
father-in-law while 80 lived for about 15 months though clinical trials would
have indicated a shorter life expectancy. Generally treatment will enhance the
possibility of long-term survival though there are some cancers which are for
the most part incurable.
I would look into these statistics though decisions about treatment are
George 2008-03-05 21:32:25
They started yesterday the radiation on her head to shrink a tumor on her
head. The Doc. has said that the Chemo will have a positive affect on her
Cancer, therefore next week she starts the Chemo.
J 2008-03-06 07:24:58
Sorry I’m so late in getting back..
I really don’t know MRI, but CT scans cut small slices, so if MRI is more
sensitive, whatever’s there must be tiny and since you don’t want treatments,
unless there’s practical reasons, I guess a few more months isn’t a big deal?
This is not focused on you, but I see people on various cancer newsgroups
seemingly living (or holding their breaths?) from bloodwork to bloodwork (or
scans to scans) as if that will make a difference in their daily lives. Some
(not you) go on and on, posting daily about one scan or bloodwork frustration or
Maybe you (or someone here) can explain, so I can understand, please?
Carolyn 2008-03-07 11:11:14
MRI stands for Magnetic Resonance Imaging (I think). It uses a strong
magnetic force to show up the images. I believe the theory is that the
healthy cells react in a different way to the magnetic force. It shows up a
lot more detail than the CT scan. My original CT scan showed up a 5cm mass
which was suspected to be a tumour, in addition to that the MRI showed up
several small MS like lesions all over my brain that the CT scan did not
pick up. To me, the MRI just gives me an indication of where I am at, and
whether the natural and dietary treatments I am trying are having a positive
or negative effect on the tumour. So far so good, because it has not been
growing… but I am still hoping for it to shrink and go away. It is not
small, it is in fact huge. The reason I have refused medical treatment
(radiotherapy, surgery and chemo) are because the risks are very high (with
surgery, around 30% chance of losing all ability to communicate; with
radiation, the standard risks, and also because of the location 100%
guarantee of dementia in about 10 years – they don’t consider that a problem
because you’re supposed to be dead by then anyway – but what if you’re not?,
and a big risk of blindness) and all this for not a cure, but just an extra
12 months of life. Hopefully I will find a natural alternative that will do
what medical science cannot.
—– Original Message —–
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: brain tumour (was Re: Mother-in-law’s Lung cancer
Jan den hollan 2008-03-07 11:11:39
that’s right. What in fact is resonating are the hydrogen nuclei, most of
which are associated with tissue water . When a subject is placed inside a
large magnet the hydrogen nuclei will interact with the magnetic field and
precess at a certain radio frequency which is proportional to the magnetic
field strength. For most MRI scanners this rf frequency is at 64 MHz. RF
antenna’s are used to transmit and detect the rf signal
Actually, what is measured is the radiofrequency at which the hydrogen
nuclei resonate. Because most of the signal comes from tissue water MRI is
essentially a water image: It shows the distribution of tissue water within
the body. The images are formed by imposing magnetic field gradients
superimposed on the main magnetic field and measuring the changes in the
resonance frequency due to these gradients. It is the switching of these
magnetic field gradients that causes the characteristic knocking sound of
MRI scanners. Drs Lauterbur and Mansfield will receive the Nobel Prize in
Physiology or Medicine 2003 the day after tomorrow, December 10, for coming
up with the idea of how to use gradients to make magnetic resonance images, see http://www.nobel.se/medicine/laureates/2003/
That is not correct. It are the hydrogen nuclei of tissue water in the body
that are measured. The magnetic interactions of the hydrogen nuclei within
tissues depend upon the water contents of the tissue, interactions between
water molecules and proteins, paragnetic ions and oxygen content. These
interactions may differ for different tissues, and can be used to make
images with high contrast
The strength of MRI is really the soft tissue contrast, and that is because
it measures tissue water. There are large differences in the magnetic
interactions of hydrogen nuclei between CSF, grey matter and white matter
see e.g. http://www.med.harvard.edu/AANLIB/cases/caseNA/pb9.htm Pathologies
show up very clearly in the images. It is also possible to measure blood
flow, and use contrast agent and other special techniques to obtain even
more information. It is even possible to measure brain activity
MRI is a diagnostic tool, but for treatment you still have to see a doctor
The decision to decline regular treatment is yours, and I respect your
decision. But to believe that a natural alternative will do what medical
science cannot is a mistake.
all the best, Jan
J 2008-03-08 17:09:38
remember high school biology. Simply because a cell is not dividing (growing)
does not cause it to die.
(Consider your healthy brain, heart, muscle, and most other cells.)
So I doubt that.
Another limitation of the current histopathological basis of brain tumor
classification is the inability to accurately predict tumor behavior or response
to therapy. Tumors that look similar may behave quite differently, and
conversely, tumors that look quite different may behave identically. ”
So if it’s not growing and if it’s not symptomatic..I guess they call that
Maybe you’ve got more time than you think
PS Sorry I’m late, I did have your post marked to come back to..now I have 🙂