doug sherman mvp

1. When you come home from your friend's house and connect to your DSL
modem, you are connecting to a network - it's just a different one.

2. You are correct that the switch over process should not take this long.
However, delays can result because your computer is trying to renew an IP
address which did not come from your ISP, and your ISP is trying to assign
your old IP or some new IP. All of this involves DHCP broadcast
communication which is prone to failure resulting in rebroadcasts,
collisions, etc.

3. Three things you can try to speed up the process:

a. Before you disconnect from your friend's network, run this command:
ipconfig /release.

b. When you come home, disconnect the power source to your DSL modem, wait
several minutes, then reconnect it.

c. When you connect at home, if you don't get Internet connectivity, run
this command: ipconfig /renew.

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

please

gschallerdezbh

Yes, the delay happens at my home, every time my computer reboots I get the
delay. If I manually disconnect and then reconnect there is no delay. But
when I boot I have to wait several minutes before the system will connect to
the net.

Now, when I am at my friend's home there is no delay. However, he is always
connected to the net (on a dsl line). when I boot up there there is no delay,
I can access the internet right away.

I am sorry for coming across so pissy. I did not know that you were
misunderstanding my problem and was frustrated. Sorry.

My system is setup to receive the ip from the provider. I do not have a
specific address assigned. At least I do not think so. I have checked
properties on the dsl connection and the local area network (which windows
will not let me disable without killing my dsl connection (why this is so,
only microsoft knows).

And so you know, the reason I am so harsh on microsoft and networking is
cause of the .NET crap. Forcing me to install a service to me system that
then made me log into my own computer which I am the ONLY one who uses showed
me that microsoft is obsessed with the misconception that everyone runs a
home network. Thank god they fixed that, but this problem I am having now
where there is not simple way to disconnect from a network I am no longer
hooked up to is bringing the frustration back. Sorry if it spilled onto you.

And just for clarification, I am an avid gamer. Been so since the days of
DOS 2.11. I have to frequently reboot so as to have a clean system for better
performance. So it is several times a day that I get to encounter this
problem. Weeeee

doug sherman mvp

My bad - XP Home won't have gpedit.msc.

But, I now think that the problem is resulting from the new Internet
connection created on your friend's network. The solution may be as simple
as recreating your original DSL connection, but:

1. When you initially set up your DSL connection, did you have to install
software and do you still have it?

2. When you connect to the Internet at home do you have to logon - ie.
user name and password - even if this is automated?

3. Click Start/Control Panel/Network Connections. Please describe the
listed connections - you should have one called Local Area Connection - what
else?

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

enabling


we'll

doug sherman mvp

Been out of town with NO Internet - yuck.

I believe you have a PPPoE Internet connection. Try this:

1. Recreate your broadband connection by following this:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298800

2. If #1 doesn't help, try setting MTU to 1480 per this:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283165

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP


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gschallerdezbh

I can see by your replies that you are not reading all that I am writing. I
am sorry for drolling on. I do appreciate your willingness to help. And I
apologize for piling my frustrations on you. It's simply that these things
have been bottled up for a long time. Microsoft obviously doesn't want to
hear from it's customers. It has a "vision", and I've been stuck with no
outlet for my frustrations with this series of problems I've been having with
the software for years (I used up my 2 customer calls long ago).

So I am sorry again for droning on about the "evil" microsoft, and sorry for
making you sift through all the crap to find my current problem. Now back to
the droning.

I never had problems with the local area connection before the .NET crap got
introduced into windows. I had my DSL set into my startup and it would run
just fine. After the .NET crap came along, I was suddenly a "user" on my own
computer, not the "owner" of it. I had to "log-in", and literally fight it to
do what I wanted it to do. I guess that is why I am so bitter about it. I
became a stranger on my own computer. Back in the DOS days I was the master,
and the computer did my bidding. Now, I am lucky if the computer will allow
me to touch it, let alone ask it to do something for me.

For instance, I had completely forgotten that there is an "all users" folder
on my computer. Logically, there shouldn't be one. There has only been ONE
person to ever use this computer.

I was suprised when I went into that folder, as there were a couple of items
in there that shouldn't have been, items I had deleted on my system ages ago.
If they had been in the startup folder that is in my taskbar menu (where they
logically should have been), I would have known about them, and gotten rid of
them a long time ago. But I deleted them now, and moved my sbc connection
into there. It made no difference, my dsl connection won't startup
automatically. I still have to manually start it up. It did before, just not
anymore.

It's really curious why my DSL was compatible before and not now. And why a
big company like SBCGlobal would use software that isn't compatible with the
major (only) operating system....

As I have previous stated. It would simplify things if Icould just delete
the local area network and have windows create one from scratch. As it worked
fine the first time it did that, and only seems to have corrupted itself
after I hooked up to my buddys network, now that I am not currently hooked up
to that network, it should be able to create the LAN data fresh. But that
would be too simple eh? As it currently is, uninstalling the adapter isn't
working because windows is saving the wrong data (the data that is making my
system think it is still hooked up to my friend's network) somewhere on the
hd and including that bogus data when the adapter is re-enabled. DELETING the
data would remove the bogus info, which is why I keep harping on that as
being the best solution.

For now, I get to live with the LAN in my system tray constantly looking for
a network address (you would think that after a time it would quit, but no,
it's a never ending problem loop). A constant reminder that no matter how big
MS got, it is still clueless.

Thank you again for your help. This will be my last entry in this thread. I
am going to start a new one asking how to get rid of the stupid LAN in my
system tray. If you are tired of listening to me drone you can ignore that
thread.

Good luck to you,.

doug sherman mvp

1. When you come home from your friend's house and connect to your DSL
modem, you are connecting to a network - it's just a different one.

2. You are correct that the switch over process should not take this long.
However, delays can result because your computer is trying to renew an IP
address which did not come from your ISP, and your ISP is trying to assign
your old IP or some new IP. All of this involves DHCP broadcast
communication which is prone to failure resulting in rebroadcasts,
collisions, etc.

3. Three things you can try to speed up the process:

a. Before you disconnect from your friend's network, run this command:
ipconfig /release.

b. When you come home, disconnect the power source to your DSL modem, wait
several minutes, then reconnect it.

c. When you connect at home, if you don't get Internet connectivity, run
this command: ipconfig /renew.

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

please

gschallerdezbh

Yes, the delay happens at my home, every time my computer reboots I get the
delay. If I manually disconnect and then reconnect there is no delay. But
when I boot I have to wait several minutes before the system will connect to
the net.

Now, when I am at my friend's home there is no delay. However, he is always
connected to the net (on a dsl line). when I boot up there there is no delay,
I can access the internet right away.

I am sorry for coming across so pissy. I did not know that you were
misunderstanding my problem and was frustrated. Sorry.

My system is setup to receive the ip from the provider. I do not have a
specific address assigned. At least I do not think so. I have checked
properties on the dsl connection and the local area network (which windows
will not let me disable without killing my dsl connection (why this is so,
only microsoft knows).

And so you know, the reason I am so harsh on microsoft and networking is
cause of the .NET crap. Forcing me to install a service to me system that
then made me log into my own computer which I am the ONLY one who uses showed
me that microsoft is obsessed with the misconception that everyone runs a
home network. Thank god they fixed that, but this problem I am having now
where there is not simple way to disconnect from a network I am no longer
hooked up to is bringing the frustration back. Sorry if it spilled onto you.

And just for clarification, I am an avid gamer. Been so since the days of
DOS 2.11. I have to frequently reboot so as to have a clean system for better
performance. So it is several times a day that I get to encounter this
problem. Weeeee

doug sherman mvp

My bad - XP Home won't have gpedit.msc.

But, I now think that the problem is resulting from the new Internet
connection created on your friend's network. The solution may be as simple
as recreating your original DSL connection, but:

1. When you initially set up your DSL connection, did you have to install
software and do you still have it?

2. When you connect to the Internet at home do you have to logon - ie.
user name and password - even if this is automated?

3. Click Start/Control Panel/Network Connections. Please describe the
listed connections - you should have one called Local Area Connection - what
else?

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

enabling


we'll

doug sherman mvp

1. When you come home from your friend's house and connect to your DSL
modem, you are connecting to a network - it's just a different one.

2. You are correct that the switch over process should not take this long.
However, delays can result because your computer is trying to renew an IP
address which did not come from your ISP, and your ISP is trying to assign
your old IP or some new IP. All of this involves DHCP broadcast
communication which is prone to failure resulting in rebroadcasts,
collisions, etc.

3. Three things you can try to speed up the process:

a. Before you disconnect from your friend's network, run this command:
ipconfig /release.

b. When you come home, disconnect the power source to your DSL modem, wait
several minutes, then reconnect it.

c. When you connect at home, if you don't get Internet connectivity, run
this command: ipconfig /renew.

Doug Sherman
MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP

please

gschallerdezbh

Yes, the delay happens at my home, every time my computer reboots I get the
delay. If I manually disconnect and then reconnect there is no delay. But
when I boot I have to wait several minutes before the system will connect to
the net.

Now, when I am at my friend's home there is no delay. However, he is always
connected to the net (on a dsl line). when I boot up there there is no delay,
I can access the internet right away.

I am sorry for coming across so pissy. I did not know that you were
misunderstanding my problem and was frustrated. Sorry.

My system is setup to receive the ip from the provider. I do not have a
specific address assigned. At least I do not think so. I have checked
properties on the dsl connection and the local area network (which windows
will not let me disable without killing my dsl connection (why this is so,
only microsoft knows).

And so you know, the reason I am so harsh on microsoft and networking is
cause of the .NET crap. Forcing me to install a service to me system that
then made me log into my own computer which I am the ONLY one who uses showed
me that microsoft is obsessed with the misconception that everyone runs a
home network. Thank god they fixed that, but this problem I am having now
where there is not simple way to disconnect from a network I am no longer
hooked up to is bringing the frustration back. Sorry if it spilled onto you.

And just for clarification, I am an avid gamer. Been so since the days of
DOS 2.11. I have to frequently reboot so as to have a clean system for better
performance. So it is several times a day that I get to encounter this
problem. Weeeee