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1 29th May 18:45
mark dintenfass
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Default #2 Who Has The Greater Musical Legacy...


Make it more interesting, and serious:

Ray Charles or Chuck Berry

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2 30th May 09:28
tomfromphilly
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Default #2 Who Has The Greater Musical Legacy... (beyond)


Ray Charles has had a sizeable following among many jazz aficianados
over long stretches of his career. The jazz columnist for one of the
Philly dailies, back when they had or could afford a music critic just
for jazz, once wrote that he never met a Charles album he didn't like,
and this from a guy who wrote no rock reviews for a living. So one
might argue is influence went beyond the top 40 or rock and roll
world. But I don't like either exercise; the first one being
unnecessarily demeaning or spurious, and the second a contest with the
quintessential rock and roller, vs. another first class innovator and
original. Even WORSE than arguing Beatles vs. Stones.

Me, for a fun exercise, I liked the affected brief but never contested
argument in a diner scene in the movie "Diner", where for a brief
moment, the protagonists offer a difference of opinion on who's best
for background music for making out, Sinatra, Mathis, or Presley
(presumably the ballads), all of this happening in context of year
1959 I would add for the edification of those who didn't see the
flick.

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3 30th May 09:28
dean f.
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I personally like Chuck's music better, but I'd be lying if I claimed that
his legacy is greater than Uncle Ray's. I'd go into greater detail, but I'm
getting tired. Perhaps tomorrow night....
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4 30th May 09:29
bill bugge
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I can assure you it was neither. As indicated by the smiley, it was just a
harmless joke aimed at the Ray Charles worshippers among us. It was not
expected to generate a debate.

But I agree the contest Mark suggested (Charles vs. Berry) is not to my
liking. It's almost as easy for me as Charles vs. Smith would be to the
group as a whole.

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5 30th May 09:30
gcarras
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CHuck Berry, due to hsi dingaling.

On the other hand, Ray Charfles..he's got the right one baby!

(How about Billie Holiday or David Brubeck? Brubeck all the way for
me..maybe I'm just a dorky white guy!)


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6 30th May 09:31
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My heart says Chuck Berry.

But my head says Ray Charles

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7 30th May 09:31
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What about if you forget your own personal likes and dislikes and try
to look at it objectively? What then?

I mean,its like if someone asked me who I think has the greater
musical legacy from the 60's (and 70's)----The Beatles or The Beach
Boys.

On a personal level I much prefer the music of the latter (like I have
quite a few of their 45's and almost nothing by The Beatles)---and in
respect of purely my own tastes I'd choose the latter but from an
objective standpoint I'm not so crazy that I can't see who then has
the greater legacy---plus,harking back to the Cash v Presley
deal,which act will still be a household name 50 years from now.

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8 30th May 09:31
mark dintenfass
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That's about right. When it comes to influence, it's a toss-up, but
when it comes to quality and size of the entire life's work, Ray wins
easily.

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9 30th May 09:31
mariabus
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I don't think size should matter in this instance....yes,RC easily has
the largest recorded catalog of the two but that huge volume includes
a LOT of very average recordings and,as with any artist with so many
records to his name,a sizeable percentage of junk---heretical tho that
may be to some here,it's a fact (tho it's hardly comparable with the
junk percentage that Elvis attained which over his career has to be
the highest of any major 50's artist who is generally recognized on
this ng and among serious fans as "good") .

Because of his much smaller catalog CB has a higher "good to bad" per
record ratio than RC and also has the honor of having the single best
record of the two ("Johnny B.Goode" beats "What'd I Say").

But I agree that quality outs in the end and the quality of the
overall total of GREAT RC performances that are left after taking out
the dross (and in several styles too) IMO beats the best that is left
of the CB catalog after similarly "pruning" it.

This exercise is no different to how I considered the Cash v Presley
thing---Cash has a huge catalog too including a handful of great
records,a lot of good ones and a big percentage of very average stuff.
Set against this Elvis has the biggest career catalog of ANY 50's
artist---with the higherst percentage of junk of anybody----at least
90% utter crap (over his entire career.

But that remaining 10% includes some of the best (and most important)
records ever made and IMO that 10% alone beats the overall better
"good to bad" record ratio Cash has.


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10 30th May 09:31
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I don't think that's true.

Many 50's artists have bigger catalogs than Elvis, including B.B. King, Ray
Charles, James Brown, etc...

Bruce Grossberg
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