Mombu the Pets Forum sponsored links

Go Back   Mombu the Pets Forum > Pets > destructive puppy
User Name
Password
REGISTER NOW! Mark Forums Read

sponsored links


Reply
 
1 10th August 19:15
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY Bekki,


A dog is a dog.

You been readin HOWER forum or did
you just fall off the cabbage truck and
WHOWEND up here abHOWETS?


You mean you got her from dog lovers
who was kindly enough to take IT in
from a other HOWES cause they didn't
know HOWE to handle and train IT for
a wee bit of money and was kindly enough
to sell it to you for a wee bit of money and
will be eager to take IT back for a wee bit
MOORE money and will gladly resell IT to
a other unwitting incompetent HOWEshold
for a wee bit MOORE money.


Well you got LUCKY.

SHOWENDS like your dog got separation anxiHOWESNESS:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.

I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.

It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
home to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================
----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home!

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe! ________________________________


NO PROBLEMO.

Dave Cohen <cohen1@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

=====================
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussault@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...


Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

===========
----- Original Message -----
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England HOWEDY Lee,

EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.

Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unf****ving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.

SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.

HOWETSTANDING! ===================


All behavior problems are caused by mishandling.


Yeah. diddler put a carpet over her BBQ to
protect it from her dog destroying it but she
ate the carpet and nearly died from a twisted
gut after bein locked in a box in a HOWEtbuilding
for three nites to muffle her crying till she was shittin blood.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


Dogs destructively chew on accHOWENT of they're
anxiHOWES. Dogs don't PLAY when they're anxiHOWES.
Treats will ordinarily likeWIZE, be ignored, but when
they're not, they may teach the dog to do the behavior
to elicit a treat for not doin it.

"Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com. ..

==================

From: Chris Williams (k9apple@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma," ====================

"Anthony Testa" <testa52601@aol.com> wrote in message news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.c om...

news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...


=====================

My student Anthony summed it all up:
"Alpha" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...

======================


From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

=================

So, if you didn't fall HOWETA a cabbage
truck, HOWE COME you're askin a Gang
Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES for advice for the same
problems they got and can't handle cause
they can't stop punishing hurting intimidating
ignoring avoiding bribing shocking spraying
aversivies and lockin dogs in boxes to force
control of behavior problems of the cunning
domestic puppy dog they don't have the
INTELLECT to HOWEtwit even after The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students
told them HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS."

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
  Reply With Quote


  sponsored links


2 10th August 19:15
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY matty,

WONderful, matty? Dogs usually WHOWEND
up in shelters on accHOWENT of some hardship.


That so, matty? Is that HOWE COME we murder them?

Most dogs are cause most folks punish them
when they catch the dog doin sumpthin. That's
HOWE COME dogs do stuff soon as you turn
your backs on them like perry aka bentcajungirl's
DEAD DOG Maggie eatin Gorilla Glue or kelly
aka culprit aka metta's dogs MURDERED her
DEAD KAT cause she was managing and controlin
instead of TRAININ her critters not to hurt and
intimidate each other as she does to them with
her pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars
and aversive sprays crates bribes avoidance and death.


SHOWENDS like separation anxiHOWESNESS, eh matty?


Probably destructive but maybe not. Maybe
they need her to protect equipment in the yard.

Whatever the dog does wherever ain't got NUTHIN
to do with the PROBLEM matty, the dog destroys
STUFF when left alone in the goddamned yard.

You got any ADVICE matty, other than to bring
the dog inside and lock IT in a box and give IT
a cookie you miserable lying dog abusing punk
thug coward sissy SIMPLETON?

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

You're a dog abusing maggot, matty.


There's your P-HOWEND dog, matty.


You think? Perhaps it'd be heelpful to
know HOWE to CURE destructive
separation anxiHOWESNESS NEARLY
INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, eh matty?

Might save this dog's life, eh matty?


That so, matty? You think STUFF is EZ to
replace cause some maggot like you tried
to mislead him into losin everything, including
his dog's life, like you're doin, matty?


The dog is EZ to replace. Just bring it to the
P-HOWEND and give them a wee bit of money
and find a other dog and give them a wee bit
MOORE money and take IT and noMOORE problem.


BWEEEHAAAHAHAHAHAAA~~~!!!

What kinda idiocy is THAT, matty?


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a dog abuser a liar a coward a
mental case and a simpleton.


That so?

You ain't O.K. where The Amazing Puppy Wizard lives,
matty. And The Amazing Puppy Wizard is all over the Whole Wild World.


Do the math, matty.

How To Get Dog To Eat More Slowly
Date: 2004-02-02 09:01:49 PST

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
<TOTE@dog-play.com> wrote in message news:bvluei$t3c6r$1@ID-80796.news.uni-berlin.de...

Yeah. REALLY, Master Of Deception blankman.


BWEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman. You're a
proven liar and dog abuser.


It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman.


You jerk and choke your own dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray
aversives in their faces and beat them in the face
with your shepherd's crook and call The Puppy
Wizard a LIAR when HE E***POSES you and
your pals LIES and ABUSE cause you're a dog
abuser, a liar and a MENTAL CASE.


It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman.


There's NUTHIN to PROVE. It's all HISTORY.


No, it's you and your pals who BYE THE BYE,
cannot post here abHOWETS noMOORE who
are making FALSE accusations.


You callin The Puppy Wizard a LIAR, Master
Of Deception blankman? CITES PLEASE?


The Puppy Wizard has PROVEN you and your
pals to be liars and dog abuser and that's the
END of any such claims of LIBEL.


You're a liar and a dog abuser and you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's YOU,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
  Reply With Quote
3 10th August 23:45
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY Bekki,


A dog is a dog.

You been readin HOWER forum or did
you just fall off the cabbage truck and
WHOWEND up here abHOWETS?


You mean you got her from dog lovers
who was kindly enough to take IT in
from a other HOWES cause they didn't
know HOWE to handle and train IT for
a wee bit of money and was kindly enough
to sell it to you for a wee bit of money and
will be eager to take IT back for a wee bit
MOORE money and will gladly resell IT to
a other unwitting incompetent HOWEshold
for a wee bit MOORE money.


Well you got LUCKY.

SHOWENDS like your dog got separation anxiHOWESNESS:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo

Aloha Jerry,

Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders.

I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now.

It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come
home to a made bed.

Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!

Hoku

==================
----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home!

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe! ________________________________


NO PROBLEMO.

Dave Cohen <cohen1@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...

Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.

I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.

I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!

I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.

Thank you Jerry!

=====================
Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST
"Yves Dussault" <ydussault@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:3b1110ff.3798143@news1.on.sympatico.ca...


Yves,

I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).

Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.

If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.

Regards,
Lisa

===========
----- Original Message -----
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM
Subject: Wits end training in England HOWEDY Lee,

EXCELLENT!

Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.

Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unf****ving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.

SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.

HOWETSTANDING! ===================


All behavior problems are caused by mishandling.


Yeah. diddler put a carpet over her BBQ to
protect it from her dog destroying it but she
ate the carpet and nearly died from a twisted
gut after bein locked in a box in a HOWEtbuilding
for three nites to muffle her crying till she was shittin blood.

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


Dogs destructively chew on accHOWENT of they're
anxiHOWES. Dogs don't PLAY when they're anxiHOWES.
Treats will ordinarily likeWIZE, be ignored, but when
they're not, they may teach the dog to do the behavior
to elicit a treat for not doin it.

"Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com. ..

==================

From: Chris Williams (k9apple@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST

Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.

A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.

She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.

============================

Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma," ====================

"Anthony Testa" <testa52601@aol.com> wrote in message news:c603fe9c.0203260607.77c283ce@posting.google.c om...

news:<lmWo8AeR1HVP092yn@panix.com>...


=====================

My student Anthony summed it all up:
"Alpha" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:bsf69.5447$g9.19553@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...

======================


From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE (countrygirl0334@yahoo.com):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE

=================

So, if you didn't fall HOWETA a cabbage
truck, HOWE COME you're askin a Gang
Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES for advice for the same
problems they got and can't handle cause
they can't stop punishing hurting intimidating
ignoring avoiding bribing shocking spraying
aversivies and lockin dogs in boxes to force
control of behavior problems of the cunning
domestic puppy dog they don't have the
INTELLECT to HOWEtwit even after The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Students
told them HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS."

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
  Reply With Quote
4 11th August 11:17
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY alison,

Maybe she's just PLAYIN.


Bored dogs SLEEP. Like you do, alison.


Dogs often sleep all day.


Awwwh, that's too sad, ain't it, alison.


Where WONderful dog lovers took expert
care of IT. Like you do the dogs you clean
up after at the boardin kennel.


You pick up doo doo in a kennel for a livin.


You're a congenital idiot, alison.


Your own dog whines and cries when
you lock IT HOWEtside and ignore it.


Like your own dog. You tell folks to IGNORE
their dogs when they desperately cry for heelp.

You're a retarded mentally ill lying dog abusing
coward and simpleton, alison.


Yeah. But it doesn't CURE The anxiHOWESNESS, alison.

Good thinkin, alison. Maybe the dog needs
to destroy his own HOWES and that'll teach IT.


You doin a school project, alison?


You workin for Scotland Yard, alison?

What kinda idiocy are you tryin to pull?

Suppose the YARD is a plastic plumbing supply
yard and the dog's JOB is to PROTECT it, alison?

What your PROBLEM for tellin the folks HOWE
to CURE destructive separation anxiHOWESNESS
like your PAL marilyn REPORTED RIGHT HERE
you filthy dog abusing mental case?:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

HOWE COME alison the IDIOT won't tell
the OP HOWE to learn HOWE to control
her dog withHOWET HURTIN IT?

Let's just say you're an IDIOT and you can't
post here abHOWETS noMOORE, eh alison?

You get the picture, alison?

IT'S OVER.

You can't post here abHOWETS nogoddamnedMOORE.


The OP never said the dog was BAD indoors.


That'll make the dog MOORE anxiHOWES
and the dog won't be able to PROTECT his
HOWES, alison.

Look, you're a IDIOT a DOG ABUSER a COWARD
and a mental case. You can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ so.
GOT IT, alison?


Ever hear of barrier frustration syndrome, alison?


You mean instead of trainin IT not do chew STUFF, alison?

Good idea, alison.

You mean, hire a baby sitter cause you don't
know HOWE to train a dog, alison?

That so, alison? That's not HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students CURE destructive separtion
anxiHOWESNESS just like HOWE YOUR PAL marilyn REPORTED RIGHT HERE.


That so, alison? You think dogs can't REMEMBER
what they done earlier in the day to get your attention, alison?

The dog is on her last legs, alison. She's
abHOWET to be sent to the P-HOWEND
where some DOG LOVER like you will
MURDER IT if IT fears them bribing IT
to TEST ITS TEMPERAMENT.


You think TIME and PATIENCE is gonna TRAIN the dog, alison?


DH got NUTHIN to do with this.


You think the dog needs THERAPY, alison?


You mean, as an IDIOT would, if she could?


You and your lying punk thug dog abusin
coward mental case simpleton pals can't
post your idiocy here abHOWETS noMOORE.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.c om...
  Reply With Quote
5 11th August 15:28
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY matty,

WONderful, matty? Dogs usually WHOWEND
up in shelters on accHOWENT of some hardship.


That so, matty? Is that HOWE COME we murder them?

Most dogs are cause most folks punish them
when they catch the dog doin sumpthin. That's
HOWE COME dogs do stuff soon as you turn
your backs on them like perry aka bentcajungirl's
DEAD DOG Maggie eatin Gorilla Glue or kelly
aka culprit aka metta's dogs MURDERED her
DEAD KAT cause she was managing and controlin
instead of TRAININ her critters not to hurt and
intimidate each other as she does to them with
her pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars
and aversive sprays crates bribes avoidance and death.


SHOWENDS like separation anxiHOWESNESS, eh matty?


Probably destructive but maybe not. Maybe
they need her to protect equipment in the yard.

Whatever the dog does wherever ain't got NUTHIN
to do with the PROBLEM matty, the dog destroys
STUFF when left alone in the goddamned yard.

You got any ADVICE matty, other than to bring
the dog inside and lock IT in a box and give IT
a cookie you miserable lying dog abusing punk
thug coward sissy SIMPLETON?

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

You're a dog abusing maggot, matty.


There's your P-HOWEND dog, matty.


You think? Perhaps it'd be heelpful to
know HOWE to CURE destructive
separation anxiHOWESNESS NEARLY
INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, eh matty?

Might save this dog's life, eh matty?


That so, matty? You think STUFF is EZ to
replace cause some maggot like you tried
to mislead him into losin everything, including
his dog's life, like you're doin, matty?


The dog is EZ to replace. Just bring it to the
P-HOWEND and give them a wee bit of money
and find a other dog and give them a wee bit
MOORE money and take IT and noMOORE problem.


BWEEEHAAAHAHAHAHAAA~~~!!!

What kinda idiocy is THAT, matty?


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!

You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a dog abuser a liar a coward a
mental case and a simpleton.


That so?

You ain't O.K. where The Amazing Puppy Wizard lives,
matty. And The Amazing Puppy Wizard is all over the Whole Wild World.


Do the math, matty.

How To Get Dog To Eat More Slowly
Date: 2004-02-02 09:01:49 PST

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
<TOTE@dog-play.com> wrote in message news:bvluei$t3c6r$1@ID-80796.news.uni-berlin.de...

Yeah. REALLY, Master Of Deception blankman.


BWEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman. You're a
proven liar and dog abuser.


It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman.


You jerk and choke your own dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray
aversives in their faces and beat them in the face
with your shepherd's crook and call The Puppy
Wizard a LIAR when HE E***POSES you and
your pals LIES and ABUSE cause you're a dog
abuser, a liar and a MENTAL CASE.


It's ALL in The Puppy Wizard's Archives,
Master Of Deception blankman.


There's NUTHIN to PROVE. It's all HISTORY.


No, it's you and your pals who BYE THE BYE,
cannot post here abHOWETS noMOORE who
are making FALSE accusations.


You callin The Puppy Wizard a LIAR, Master
Of Deception blankman? CITES PLEASE?


The Puppy Wizard has PROVEN you and your
pals to be liars and dog abuser and that's the
END of any such claims of LIBEL.


You're a liar and a dog abuser and you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's YOU,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
  Reply With Quote
6 11th August 15:28
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default destructive puppy


HOWEDY alison,

Maybe she's just PLAYIN.


Bored dogs SLEEP. Like you do, alison.


Dogs often sleep all day.


Awwwh, that's too sad, ain't it, alison.


Where WONderful dog lovers took expert
care of IT. Like you do the dogs you clean
up after at the boardin kennel.


You pick up doo doo in a kennel for a livin.


You're a congenital idiot, alison.


Your own dog whines and cries when
you lock IT HOWEtside and ignore it.


Like your own dog. You tell folks to IGNORE
their dogs when they desperately cry for heelp.

You're a retarded mentally ill lying dog abusing
coward and simpleton, alison.


Yeah. But it doesn't CURE The anxiHOWESNESS, alison.

Good thinkin, alison. Maybe the dog needs
to destroy his own HOWES and that'll teach IT.


You doin a school project, alison?


You workin for Scotland Yard, alison?

What kinda idiocy are you tryin to pull?

Suppose the YARD is a plastic plumbing supply
yard and the dog's JOB is to PROTECT it, alison?

What your PROBLEM for tellin the folks HOWE
to CURE destructive separation anxiHOWESNESS
like your PAL marilyn REPORTED RIGHT HERE
you filthy dog abusing mental case?:

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

HOWE COME alison the IDIOT won't tell
the OP HOWE to learn HOWE to control
her dog withHOWET HURTIN IT?

Let's just say you're an IDIOT and you can't
post here abHOWETS noMOORE, eh alison?

You get the picture, alison?

IT'S OVER.

You can't post here abHOWETS nogoddamnedMOORE.


The OP never said the dog was BAD indoors.


That'll make the dog MOORE anxiHOWES
and the dog won't be able to PROTECT his
HOWES, alison.

Look, you're a IDIOT a DOG ABUSER a COWARD
and a mental case. You can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ so.
GOT IT, alison?


Ever hear of barrier frustration syndrome, alison?


You mean instead of trainin IT not do chew STUFF, alison?

Good idea, alison.

You mean, hire a baby sitter cause you don't
know HOWE to train a dog, alison?

That so, alison? That's not HOWE The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students CURE destructive separtion
anxiHOWESNESS just like HOWE YOUR PAL marilyn REPORTED RIGHT HERE.


That so, alison? You think dogs can't REMEMBER
what they done earlier in the day to get your attention, alison?

The dog is on her last legs, alison. She's
abHOWET to be sent to the P-HOWEND
where some DOG LOVER like you will
MURDER IT if IT fears them bribing IT
to TEST ITS TEMPERAMENT.


You think TIME and PATIENCE is gonna TRAIN the dog, alison?


DH got NUTHIN to do with this.


You think the dog needs THERAPY, alison?


You mean, as an IDIOT would, if she could?


You and your lying punk thug dog abusin
coward mental case simpleton pals can't
post your idiocy here abHOWETS noMOORE.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.c om...
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes




Copyright 2006 SmartyDevil.com - Dies Mies Jeschet Boenedoesef Douvema Enitemaus -
666