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HOWEDY victoria,

For starters, you're a self aggrandizing incompetent
ignorant bloward and animal abuser, a self appointed
RESCUER of disadvantaged dogs.

Dogs HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY at four weeks of age.


DOGS DO NOT HAVE BAD HABITS. Dogs children and SP-HOWESES
ONLY RESPOND in PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances of their environment
which WE create for them <{) ; ~ ) >

ALL TEMPERAMENT and BEHAIVOR PROBLEMS are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.


A DOG IS A DOG, dog lovers.


You mean YES and NO, victoria? YOU BUMS AIN'T GETTIN
IT BOTH WAYS noMOORE UNLESS The Amazing Puppy Wizard
is GIVIN IT TO YOU BOTH WAYS, victora. OBSERVE:


Then it "DEPENDS" on WHAAAAT? SHEER LUCK?


You mean to train a NORMAL NATURAL INNATE REFLEXIVE behavior, victoria?


Then you should PRAISE HIM so he don't do that again, victoria.

THAT will TEACH the dog to DO STUFF to get
his POLICEMAN to INTERVENE. A good time
will be had by WON and all till you LOCK
IT IN A BOX to AVOID the behaviors of the
cunning domestic puppy dog you bums AIN'T
GOT THE INTELLECT to HOWEtwit or you wouldn't
NEED CONSTANT SUPERVISION and lockin IT in a box.


THAT'S HOWE COME DOGS GO INSANE, victoria.


You should PRAISE him and ask if he'd LIKE to go HOWET.


THAT will SCARE the dog, and TEACH IT that ANY TIME
he wants to command 100% of your undivided attention
all he gotta do is shit or lift his leg in the HOWES.


The dog will leave a trail of shit behind hisself...


You mean AFTER THE FACT, victoria? Dogs DO NOT
understand REWARDS AFTER THE FACT any MOORE than
they understand punishment AFTER THE FACT any
MOORE than they UNDERSTAND CRATING AFTER THE
FACT as PUNISHMENT for BAD BEHAVIORS, victoria.


ONLY IF THE PRAISE COMES DURING THE ACT, victorial.


You choke punish and lock your dogs in a box to "train" them.

That so? You think teach the word "poo poo" is
gonna TRAIN the dog to tell you when IT needs
to go poo poo?


Yeah. That's nice of you.


You mean, commands. Like "hurry up."


Oh? You mean you train by ROTE, victoria? THAT'S
the least effective longest method of traing
meaningless unthinking behaviors, victoria.


Walks got NUTHIN to do with HOWEsbreakin, victoria.
HOWEsbreakin is INSTINCTIVE.

That so, victoria? HOWE does "praising" the dog
AFTER you got IT HOWEtside, gonna TRAIN the dog
to DO his "HURRY UP", HOWEtside, victoria?


You mean as REWARDS AFTER THE FACT that the dog
started to shit in the HOWES and you physically
interrupted and scooped IT up an WHISKED IT HOWET?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Your THINKIN shows a discrete lack of intelligence.


We can HOWEsbreak a new puppy NEARLY INSTANTLY, victoria,
if we DON'T DO NUTHIN like HOWE you tell us to do it...


PERHAPS you should TRAIN IT to ring a bell? BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

THAT'S INSANE, victoria.


THAT'S SHEER IDIOCY, victoria. HOWE COME you
wouldn't just TRAIN the dog to ASK to go HOWET?


You mean on accHOWENT of the dog will constantly ring
the bell to get you to PLAY WITH HIM to "HURRY UP."


Naah. It's IMPOSSIBLE, as in YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY.

That so? You mean INSTEAD of TRAINING the dog
NEARLY INSTANTLY do DO what HIS NORMAL NATURAL
INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE BEHAVIORS DICTATE?

If the dog is SHITTIN HIS HOWES it's ON ACCHOWENT
of you lock IT in a box and SUPERVISE IT constantly.

You mean JUST LIKE HOWE HIS NORMAL NATURAL INNATE
REFLEXIVE INSTINCT DICTATES, victoria?


Oh? THAT'S your PROBLEM, victoria. The dog's HOWES
is that BOX YOU LOCK IT IN and YOUR HOWES is his
TERRORTORY TO FHOWEL, you miserable dog abusing mental case.


BWEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!

BK just wrote in that her six week old puppy
HOWEsbroke in three days, victoria. Other
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students likeWIZE REPORT THE SAME SAME SAME SAME.


Here's your own miserable stinkin posted case history
with NO FURTHER COMMENT from The Amazing Puppy Wizard:

From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Date: 8 Apr 1993 21:00:18 GMT

Subject: Re: Does your dog know "(come)^4(right now!)(get over here)^2"?
In article <1993Apr8.190952.6...@cs.tulan*e.edu> feld...@cs.tulane.edu (Damon Feldman) writes:

Come on, now, Damon. Many of the same principles hold in dealing with
any dependant creature. The example above is a good one of a case
where
you issue the command and then enforce it. You can't pop Donny's
collar,
but you can say "put it down" exactly ONCE before you remove it from
his hands.

Any creature you're authorized to command (your dog, your young child),

you're authorized to correct for not obeying the command. Different
sorts of corrections are in order, of course, and different sorts of
commands are reasonable (though I'll maintain that LEAVE IT is
appropriate
for dogs and for small children!! :-) ).


The HARD part is remembering that you hope your child will grow up to
be an independantly-functioning human being. You can't make all the
decisions for your child the way you can for your dog, because you want

the child to grow up. You don't command your daughter to wear pants
when
she wants to wear skirts. You don't command your child to eat the
green
beans.

You negotiate with your child whenever you can, saving the commands for

the Truly Necessary Moments, where you would just command the dog to
obey
your (maybe totally frivolous) whim. But in either case, if you issue
a
command, you'd better enforce it.

With children, in many cases, you'll decide you'd rather not issue the
command. But if you issue a command, and DON'T enforce it, you've just

taught the dog or child that you are to be ignored.

(and I hope you aren't lumping me in with inexperienced dog-owners,
because
that's going to irritate me considerably)


From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Date: 9 Sep 1993 18:46:23 GMT

Subject: Re: Our dogs mauled a cat - what to do? - Followup

My neighbor's cat came in *my* yard, and bit *me* when
I tried to stoke her.

Did I let my dogs out to chase her out of my yard?

You bet I did.

"Hey, Spot, want to chase a cat???"

As to how I'd feel if your dog killed my cat in your yard,
well, I don't believe in letting cats (or dogs) run loose.

If my cat (if I had one) was loose, it would be an accident,
and if it got killed I'd feel really bad, but think it was
your fault? No. Would I think it was the driver's fault
if the cat ran in the street and got hit by a car? No.
I'd feel it was *my* fault for letting the cat out, and I'd
feel terrible.


Date: 1 Dec 1993 16:27:49 GMT
Local: Wed,Dec 1 1993 11:27 am
Subject: Re: aggressive dog in obedience class
In article <tittleCHC6wM....@netcom.com>
tit...@netcom.com (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes: ...


My older bitch is very independent. She insists on using her own
judgement about things. Any kind of correction that requires me to
lay hands on her has NEVER been effective with her. Leash corrections
are ok, and social corrections (you can't behave, you'll spend some
time
in your crate) are the best.

As Cindy said, as long as she feels she deserved a correction, a leash
correction is fine. If she feels it is undeserved, though, she will
just quit working entirely.


The moral of the story? Watch your dog like a hawk, and use the
training
methods that work FOR THAT DOG.


I've rolled a few dogs, and the only one that seemed to benefit was a
friend's collie (rip, Ralph). The owner thought it was cute that the
collie would growl at women who told him what to do or moved him aside.

So one day after Ralph growled at me, I grabbed him by the ruff and
rolled him. That took care of that.


Now that I think of it, I probably should have rolled Tim, too.... :-)

From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Date: 15 Apr 1993 15:12:32 GMT

Subject: Re: Older dog doesn't like new puppy - (long)
In article <14APR199320233...@scsud.ctsta*teu.edu> v
arme...@scsud.ctstateu.edu (SHIRLEY VARMETTE - SOCIOLOGY) writes:

keppl...@saifr00.cfsat.honeywe*ll.com (Mary Kay Keppler) writes...

I agree with Shirley. One thing to watch -- when Joy bites the puppy,
DON'T sympathize with the puppy. Joy is trying to impress upon the
puppy
that she is domimant. If you sympathize with the puppy, you are
undermining Joy's dominance. Especially if you scold Joy for getting
after the puppy.

My older dog (11 when the puppy was introduced) has drawn blood three
times in the last year when disciplining the puppy. Nothing serious --

just tiny cuts. I think I caused some problems early on by
sympathizing
with the puppy when she was younger. Now if she gets snapped at I just

tell her it was her own fault for being so pesty!


I have a long-term foster right now,
who appeared to be housebroken for the
first few months I had him. Then .....

I think it was that he didn't feel it
was his space, and so he was going in
the farthest corners of the yard. As
he got more comfy, well...... So we
had to go back to watching him more
closely, not letting him go off in
other parts of the house by himself, etc.

No "mistakes" in the house for the last few months.......

From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)

Date: 13 Oct 1992 16:02:02 GMT

Subject: Re: troublesome puppy
In article <1687EE5FA.REBE...@YaleVM.YCC.*Yale.Edu> REBE...@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Rebecca Drayer) writes:


This is just not true. Crating for misbehavior is "go to your room
until
you can behave in society!". It does NOT make the dog dislike the
crate.
I have been crating my 10-mo-old Corgi since I got her at 12 weeks (she

was used to a crate at the breeder's). She is crated when we're gone,
at
night, and when she just WON'T listen.

!!!!SHE STILL REGARDS HER CRATE AS HER DEN FOR SAFETY!!!!!


She hides in there to try to avoid her heartworm pill. She caches her
special treats in there. She naps in there, if there are people in the

same room.


Crating the dog as an isolation/punishment WILL NOT MAKE THE DOG
DISLIKE
THE CRATE. PERIOD.


Now if you take a dog that is NOT used to being in the crate, and crate

it only for punishment, it won't like the crate. But that's not what
we're talking about here, is it?

From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff) -
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 92 18:50:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Getting a new dog
In article <1992Jul17.181534.19...@eagle.*lerc.nasa.gov> xxc...@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov (Crystal Ratliff) writes:


thinking)

doesn't


am

heart-ache?

Good for you for taking the responsibilities of dog-ownership
seriously!!

Some dogs hate other dogs and will never get along. My brother's dog
is like this. You just can't have her around other dogs unless she's
on lead.


Given what you say about Rambo, he might just be like Tenille (they got

her from the pound with that name; they didn't choose it ;-) ). I
don't
think you can count on him being able to get along with your
prospective
dog....


Good luck!

From: v...@icpsr.umich.edu (Victoria Neff)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:31:00 GMT
Subject: Re: To euth. or not...

In article <5427-40079617-...@storefull-3*213.bay.webtv.net>,

Jo Wolf <wol...@webtv.net> wrote:

<snip>


in


All too true. Having been in the "financial support of rescue"
business for
several years now, I concur that the critical factor in saving lives is

foster homes. I view my "financial support" job as being "do whatever
I can
to make the foster's job easier", as, without that foster, the dog is
dead.

I'm glad that I can help fosters of Corgi dogs (both kinds!) and Corgi
mixes
at least not be out-of-pocket for medical expenses.

The fosters are the heart and soul of rescue; the rest of us should at
least
pick up the tab.

-- Vicki Neff, chair, CorgiAid grants review committee