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10th April 04:55
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"Pretty Aggressive Dog For Being This Young And Being In A Good HOWES Where He's Treated Very Well." HOWEDY People, FIGGER IT HOWET: HOWEDY cov, You came here to learn HOWE to HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog ENOUGH to CON-TROLL IT. Didn't you. That so? That's a OXYMORON, cov: "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value. With him, words play no torturing tricks.........., " John Galsworthy. Like a confessor Priest? Don't bet your dog won't tell on you... Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > <snip> You'll do that by BONDING with him. Was your dog taught to be aggressive by living with his littermates till IT was 12 weeks as the EXXXPERTS recomend, to teach puppy manners? Seems this goes far beyond dog behavior, cov: ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. A Dog Is A Dog As A Kat Is A Kat As A Birdie Is A Birdie As A Child Is A Child As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES. ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. Will you castrate your male children if their behavior goes HOWETA CON-TROLL on accHOWENT of your MISHANDLING, cov? Surgical sexual mutilation is inapupriate unnecessary veterinary malpractice to unjustly enrich themselves at the EXXXPENSE of the dog an his guilible owners, RESULTING in 15% INCREASED FEAR AGGRESSION, cov. The VETERINARY GETS PAID to MURDER dogs that become FEAR AGGRESSIVE thanks to their MALPRACTICE, cov. As opposed to the EXXXPERTS you're askin here abHOWETS? That's INSANE. You're askin MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs if surgical mutilation is not effective after the dog is HOWETA CON-TROLL. HOWE would these dog abusing mental cases KNOW? They MURDER dogs like that, cov. Other than as a medical necessity, neutering is INSANE. You mean instead of NOT HURTING and INTIMIDATING your dog to train IT, cov? The Amazing Puppy Wizard will reply to your personal emal to HIM in this Post. Yeah. You've taught your family well. HOWER DOG LOVERS HURT dogs like you got, cov. For WHAT, cov? ----- Original Message ----- From: cover@nctv.com To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: Neuter Question The Amazing Puppy Wizard calls 'm like HE sees 'm. There ain't nuthin PERSONAL abHOWET it, so there's no need to be OFFENDED, that'll only further CL-HOWED your thinkin, cov. After all, we're BOTH after THE SAME RESULT. The Amazing Puppy Wizard wasn't VENTING, cov, HE was simply pointing HOWET the REALITY of your situation, cov. That so? You musta MISSED the IMPORTANT parts on accHOWENT of ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING, not TESTICLES. BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't TEACH OPINIONS, cov. The Amazing Puppy Wizard works within the BHOWENDS of NATURAL LAW and SCIENCE, cov: "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > The TRUTH is, you got NUTHIN to say to The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of EVERY THING HE SEZ is FACT and BACKED UP IN WRITING. You mean, pupperly handling training and raising your dogs and children, cov? What's your hurry? You got THE REST OF YOUR LIFE to work on it. MOORE important than the mental heelth of your family and the life of your dog, cov? Oh. What you mean is you need to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT and INTIMIDATE your dogs and children and you'll try to do likeWIZE with your SP-HOWES if she'll let you get away with it, you miserable coward. Don't be OFFENDED at that, cov, it's NUTHIN PERSONAL, just a FACT, pure plain an simple. HURTING and INTIMIDATING and MURDERING dogs AIN'T a matter of OPINION, cov, it's a matter of CRIMINAL INSANITY. AIN'T IT. And THAT'S HOWE COME you'll DO and SAY ANY THING to DEFEND your alleged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER your dog, when the time comes. YOU HURT and INTIMIDATE them. ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them. Would you bet your life on that, cov?: The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed, ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy, embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt, anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change, permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition, and conditioning. It's the perfect fusion of The Word..., in the physical. Perhaps he LEARNED his aggression from watchin T.V.? You mean, he OBJECTS to your fear force and intimidation, eh cov? There's only SO many words you can use to describe INSANITY. THAT'S HOWE COME your dog is AGGRESSIVE, cov. Or you'll MURDER IT an get a other. You mean, anyHOWE, cov. SPELLIN C-HOWENTS. The Amazing Puppy Wizard ain't angry, cov. You THINK The Amazing Puppy Wizard is angry on accHOWENT of HE'S TRUTHFUL. EVERY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ, is FACT. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't INSULT, HE QUOTES. You mean, NOT HURTIN and INTIMIDATING innocent dumb critters and helpless children, cov? The Amazing Puppy Wizard cannot FORCE you to do the only honorable thing left to do, cov. STUDY your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE HEELP. Robert Crim had three GSD'S PRYOR to MURDERIN his Wonder Dog Fritz, thanks to the DOG ABUSERS here abHOWETS he was askin for heelp. You mean, fear force intimidation avoidance crating alphalpha rolling spraying aversives and crating, cov? You've only got two options, and they BOTH are the ONLY honorable thing to do in this kinda situation, cov. <snip> LUCKY THING The Amazing Puppy Wizard got ADVICE for BOTH tactics, whichever you prefer. If you'd PREFER NOT to learn HOWE to pupperly handle raise and train your dogs and children, there's always a other way HOWET. HERE'S HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's STUDENTS DO IT GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE: "Amanda@DCFWatch.com" <Amanda@dcfwatch.com wrote in message news: 91381045.0301221814.7aa3a7f6@posting.google.com... news: 91381045.0301211225.6d5f60e5@posting.google.com... When my dog nipped to protect my kids, i taught her with distraction and praise. First we used distraction and praise to teach her biting is not ok. 2 weeks ago we had to separate her from the puppy in order to feed them. She would run over, bite him then take his food. If he licked the carpet where juice was spilled he got bitten. just examples. Then during meals, when she moved toward him we (me, my husband, jerry and his wife) used sound distraction and praise. We trained her to stay away from him. Then we let them get close, when she looked like she was thinking of biting (snap) good girl! good dog... and she would let him close. since he advanced to eating her food she began laying down and allowing him to take over. so we taught her to find his food and eat his. Just doing this has taught her to share. If he's too roudy and the kids aren't inviting.. she will find her rope and give it to him. if he takes her kong, she does and finds his and either gets him to take his own kong or simply lets him have his. we did this by feeding her as much as she wanted, giving her plenty of toys. we taught her there is always more.. we broke that instinct of self preservation. now they share from the same bowl. not even a growl. then when she growled because my friends kid went near her while she was nursing, we put her on lead just long enough to come 1 foot from the kid. just in case. we put the kid on the floor in her mum's lap with the puppy and used distraction and praise if she seemed upset. then when she went near the kid in a fashion like she was going to protect something.. the kids, their food what have you.. we used praise and distraction. then it progressed to the other day.. the kid was smacking kelly in the face. pummeling beyond all belief she has taken from my own kids.. like if the 23 lb 19 month old goes to stand on her, kelly will brace herself and hold still so the baby doesn't fall off. when the baby stands on her we distract the baby and praise kelly for waiting. so anyway.. she's being smacked in the face by the same kid who likes to try and dig eyeballs out. kelly snarled her lip.. no sound.. just showed her teeth... sound and praise! and she broke her thought and came over to me. when the puppy was biting her so hard she cried (pits dont cry easily) we used sound and praise when she went to defend herself. then we would go to him and distract him off. in less than a week she learned to either a. drag him to me or my husband still attached and shaking her ear/neck/leg or b. distract him herself. she sees us use distraction and gentle measures and she does them too. when he's trying to dig a hole she engages him in play. when the kid is going somewhere she shouldn't.. kelly will run over to her.. and seperate the kid from say the kitchen and guide her in another direction. when the puppy is biting something he shouldn't.. she finds a kong and offers him the appropriate chewing method. Dogs are smart. She only knew to nip or growl or bite. We taught her gentle ways and she learned them. Dogs don't want to bite kids or puppies or people.. but they want results. if they know the food will never run out.. why should they bite over food? if they know someone else will distract a biting pup why would she bite him? all she has to do is find me and i will do it... why does she need to nip the lil kid again? she knows i will stop the kid from hurting her. yes it still requires alot of supervision, because this kid does in fact hurt her alot and she is not part of our pack. but that ispart of my responsibility as well. Jerry calls it allomimetic behaviour.. i think its plain logic. the dog won't bite if it knows a whimper or cry will attract help. but if no one else is in control... as we were not two weeks ago.. the dog will take matters into its own hands. And for Donna who asked how safe setting up an incident is? it is very safe. If you know the dog will bite the kid if it goes near its food.. you put the dog on lead and have someone hold the lead securely. MAKE SURE the lead will not reach say.. 1.5 feet away from the food dish. then let the kid go near the food. the dog couldn't reach if it tried, and if it did you are right there to priase distract. It is much more difficult in the OP's situation since the kid is close enough to bite. i'll let jerry elaborate on that. and i wouldn't try that without his advice. but if you know your dog likes to lunge through the front door at the mailman.. put the dog on lead and open the door and use praise/distraction.. the dog won't go anywhere, but you can set it up to stop the thought. it's really a common sense thing. i knew i needed to set up a situation and knew i couldn't risk a bite.. so i used a freaking leash that wasn't long enough to reach the lil kid. voila. by the time the dog realized it wanted to do something bad.. it forgot it was on lead... and you distract/praise and break the behaviour before the dog is mid lunge at the end of the leash. Amanda. Whose vicious, aggressive, hopeless pit bull who should be watched carefully walked by a barking dog who was off lead as it growled at me and heeled immediately to "protect" but never used more than 1 foot of the lead and didn't bark or growl back. From: Amanda@DCFWatch.com(Amanda@dcfwatch.com) Subject: Re: when to start obedience training classes Date: 2003-01-06 22:14:14 PST wfdt@msn.com (Lt. Joel Walton, CPDT) wrote in message news:<cb19da7a.0301061558.7ba5a695@posting.google. com>... I used reward based training with limited results. When my dog was hungry she obeyed and when she wasn't.. well she did whatever she wanted. Her behaviours steadily increased to overly protective tendencies, guarding etc. She had previously been abused so I knew not to even attempt any physical punishment. Eventually we had a hard time walking if another dog was around. She wouldn't try to escpae my grip, but she would become very defensive and eventually i would have to sit down with her and calm her down. Fast forward to us bringing home a new puppy. She wouldn't allow him near us. If he tried moving toward us she bit him. Since he was 5 weeks old I needed an expert to help me solve this problem and quickly. Within 5 minutes of an email, Jerry Howe phone me at home at 10pm on a sunday night. Sunday before christmas to be exact. I followed his methods.. no punishment, no scolding, no treats.. just praise and distraction. Within two days my 20 mo female's milk came in and she was nursing this pup every two hours or so for about a half hour.. despite her raw nipples that were cracked and bleeding.. she would become upset if i took him off of her.. preferring to nurse him. Despite hearing many bad things about him, personally, and his methods this dog continues making great strides. for instance she had nipped my friends daughter for going after my child's food.. while my child screamed and this lil girl continued Kelly (my pit/staffy) took it upon herself to nip the child to get her to leave my child alone. Highly unacceptable, I phoned Jerry. We followed his advice/training and today I found my dog on the floor.. cornered.. being poked in the eyes and hurt by this lil girl with her only response being to show her teeth and growl quietly. Whereas this is most unacceptable in my eyes.. my dog who would have nipped this child restrained herself.. and when praised and distracted showed remorse.. knowing she did improperly. Then later when this lil girl was bugging her again did not come close to her. Given that merely a week ago my dog snarled at this lil girl while she approached the nursing pup, this is marked improvement. She now eats in the same area as the same pup she was biting two weeks ago.. and also lets him eat treats even when she finishes hers. Previously our nights were filled with endless barking due to our dog being outside barking in response to our neighbors dogs.. now a Good girl! Good dog sends her right into the house to lay down and ignore them. Why is this training so advanced and easier than the reward/clicker methods? Why is jerry's methods giving me incredible results with minimal effort and no treats/bribes? Why are you advocating treat training when in reality you are relying on the dog's desire for a small kibble being stronger than its desire to run.. and sad to say.. you cannot treat train when it comes to overly protective tendencies. I used these methods to the t.. and i did receive results... she does well at sit, stay, down,speak and shake.. she knows off and come and git... but it simply came down to their hunger pains being stronger than their wishes... and you simply cannot train a dog to not be protective by food. A good dog will ignore food and protect its pack. As they should or all a burglar would need is some beggin' strips. Discipline - The "NO!" Command - HOWE Dogs And Children Learn To Tell You "NO!" And HOWE COME They RUN HOWET On You Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP! Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500 From: Amanda <amanda@dcfwatch.com> My learning is progressive. I email or call him with questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something clicked. How would we do it with our families? that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be typing when your kids are in college Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed me how to do it. pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc. Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me.. hurting me and then laughing. Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two days (my neighbors two streets over are happy ![]() Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it ellicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute you pick up the phone?? No. They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is controlling you. Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost. When they learn to follow you.. it's all good. Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it.. she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge problem with them taking things they cant have and when i wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger.. and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go "Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter... and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that??? and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No. and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now. Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it.. make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like mad! Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away.. but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when you force control.. with the come command when you want your dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from your baby's mouth.. you put value on it. Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down.. you gave that penny VALUE! it's not just a piece of crap.. mom WANTS IT! so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you... if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch em up away from falling down... but only when you have to.. then work realy hard to overcome that forced control. Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch me so she is watching me.. not me watching her. those are my kids. I have had social workers with their degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the obstinate kids. if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid... he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts. odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly understands its not nice. i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to. i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge. my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no IM gonna beat YOUR a$$ MU HA HA HA" my neighbors prolly think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't want to sleep.. andyou know what? they don't grow out of it until they're parents it's one of those times you have touse your patience and keep distracting and praising. he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention. you have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not.. no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive! One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to work up to the positive only. try not to.. but if you have to ok when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or giggle. better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry. No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath.. try to remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never, ever for anything get it back. it's what im using He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep. no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger, sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em insecure. distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance.. fast for day.. slow rocking at night. cuzhe knows what you're doing. hold him instead.. or sit him in your lap on the bed and rock becuase it is forced control. Amanda |
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