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16th June 11:07
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Hey, welcome to the group. Don't mind all of the off-topic conversation,
we truly are a community here and enjoy hearing about interesting things goinjg on in each others lives. Jump right in, make yourself at home, and like in the fairy tales, don't feed the trolls. At 3 months old, your puppy is nowhere near getting a brain yet. In addition to what Diana mentioned with the commands, here is another way to solve the problem. Puppies, when they are playing with each other, use their teeth a lot. When one of them bites too hard, the other puppies yelp and ignore the biter. What you want to do is to react the same way that her siblings/mother would if she bit them too hard. Yell "ouch" in a loud, high-pitched voice, and ignore her for a couple of minutes. Turn your body away and don't acknowledge her at all. Eventually, she will learn that biting results in play stopping. Another idea that might work (I am not sure) is to, when she bites/nips at you, give her a toy she *can* chew on, and when she bites it, praise her. Yet another trick you can do, is to teach her a command that, when she is doing it, makes it impossible for her to bite. Stick a bunch of peanut butter (or cheese whiz) on your finger/palm. While she is licking it off, tell her "give me a kiss" or "kisses" or something like that. If you do this often enough, when she starts to bite, you can just say "kisses" and she should start to lick you instead. One caution if you use this one, is to make sure that you don't feed her so much pb/cw that she doesn't eat enough puppy food. Good Luck. -- ******************************************* Marcel Beaudoin & Moogli marcelandmoogli@hotmail.com ******************************************* 'I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather...Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.' ******************************************* |
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HOWEDY lush,
You mean, you got the same same same same PROBLEM, lush. Works every time, does it? You see any END to ASKIN the pup to DO SUMPTHIN ELSE??? techniques You mean, you've been BRIBING the dog and REWARDING inapupriate behaivors by GIVING TREATS and alternate behaivors. well now, So, you've learned to LOCK YOUR DOG in a box to control her UNDESIRABLE behaviors when offering a treat or bribe or command for an alternate behavior FAILS to CONTROL the dog. IOW, you REINFORCE her NEGATIVE ATTENTION GETTING DEVICES when she mHOWEths on you. RIGHT!!! Works EVERY TIME, doesn't it. At least till it DON'T WORK noMOORE and you got to LOCK IT in a box for a time HOWET. You've been a liar and a dog abuser, lush. The leopard does not change his spots. You cannot post here noMOORE. Can you tell a truth from a lie? Take off your shoes and socks and see if you can cHOWENT HOWE many LIES are in the following QUOTES: And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion! This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser: "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web. You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY??? "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie. You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER? "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS? "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?" Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude. "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR? --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck? Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey? Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it? "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach. Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch... And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." "Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert trainer. You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT? "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors. Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL... terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm. "BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com... news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>... "Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4... You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck? matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser. Isn't that true, Marilyn? Of course not, but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold. "Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu... You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog. "I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH? Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? amy lying frosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply" BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE... "Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch" OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER. "You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes: Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is: http://www.powells.com/ Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on its shelves. You can order books via e-email. Koehler Method Of Dog Training by Koehler, W R Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, ================================================== ====== Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5 seconds:" "The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York: Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)." Hanging "First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from the ground. As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended in mid-air. However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while he still had the strength to renew the attack would be cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him suspended until he has neither the strength nor inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious that he is physically incapable of expressing his resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side. The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side, is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you THE REAL "HOOD" "If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would express his resentment of your efforts by biting, your problem is difficult -- and pressing. "Professional trainers often get these extreme problems. Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then cultivated the resultant growth with under correction. When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of mealy- mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time. "With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind" to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated to perform a "major operation." "Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites someone other than his master." Are we havin FUN yet? Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) > |
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16th June 11:07
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HOWEDY The General,
Head strong? You mean, she's stubborn? Dogs are only stubborn when we ask them to do things they don't understand or aren't willing to do because they're not motivated or afraid to try. Yeah. MHOWEthing is an attempt to BOND. The "traditional" ways of dealing with mHOWEthing is to REJECT or IGNORE the dog's BONDING attempts. Squealing and turning your back on the dog or giving an alternate incompatible behavior are the standard recommended ineffective, inapupriate, tactics. Repressing behaviors or offering substitute behaviors or bribes only reinforces the behavior or changes it to other, seemingly non related, often worse behaviors, or trains the dog to DO the unwanted behaviors to elicit the treat or replacement behaviors. Right, which takes the mHOWEthing HOWETA the TEETHING category, and into the aspect of NEGATIVE ATTENTION GETTING behaviors, or BONDING, if you will. INDEEDY. So, you might engage the pup to reinforce his BONDING attempts and then change the behavior to something acceptable. OR, you could distract and praise the BONDING attempts and allHOWE his next choice of behavior to replace the undesirable BONDING attempts. You mean, you're having trouble forcing control of her. THAT'S HOWE COME she's "STUBBORN." Yeah. Her "energy" is ANXIETY, not normal puppy play. Giving her and HOWEtlet for her ANXIETY will not break the CAUSE of the ANXIETY, BUT WILL REINFORCE HER NEED for an HOWEtlet. HOWER dog lovers engage their dogs in EXCESSIVE EXERCISE to tire the dog in an illigitimate effort to expiate their ANXIETY BEHAVIORS. That only works so long as you can CONTINUE to EXERCISE the ANXIETY HOWETA the dog. After a few minutes rest, the dog is up and eager for MOORE exercise to control his ANXIETY. You won't be gettin no advice from HOWER E***PERTS here. HOWER dog lovers are predominantely LIARS and DOG ABUSERS and ACTIVE MENTAL PATIENTS who only understand repression and avoidance and HURTING dogs for their behaviors they do not know HOWE to control, and locking dogs in boxes and tryin to get HOWET callin THAT, training. HOWER dog lovers call these posters FORGERIES cause they all sHOWEND like The Puppy Wizard wrote them HISSELF: From: Becky (BeckySiz@new.rr.com) Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A ****atoo Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this. Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have and it works!!!! I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually makes my kids bleed! Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website also, and it is free! Becky =========== --- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bousie To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Geday. Hey J, I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the only advice worth reading. The problem with your method J is that I can't answer the questions on the NG no more, people are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm now really understanding that they are all result orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not realising they create a new one as they deal with the last. I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they don't even realise the errors of thier ways and they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority, after all if everyone says thats the way then it must be. I've finally realised people don't want to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog, they want a little puppet that sits and stays and downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so they think, then when the dog acts like a dog they come squealing to the NG asking how to stop the dog being a dog. I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind that I think demonstrates the way we approach dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents something about the dog, all of them create what a dog is. The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you can, problem is each one you stamp out another takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise, but thats the traditional way. Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog, that's what we get hold of with all the little circles inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG circle the macro as you put it and use that to train. I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they are critising something they don't even understand or even have the capacity to understand. See ya, Paul ===================== "Hoku Beltz" <hoku@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10868114@twister.socal.rr.com. .. ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ================== "JoeTheGuru" <joetheguru@hotmail.com.NOSPAM wrote in message news: 3cab77eb$0$9993$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!! or it could be a troll <are you a troll?? do not use it on your dog..... would you use it on your best friend..... I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first. however I started to use some of the training out of it and now. I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a trial.<great dane X mastiff I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot. I have a dog that comes when ever I call. I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away. I have a dog that stands still to be washed with the cold hose. I have a dog that never pulls on the lead when we walk. I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones there. I have a dog that would not care less if there is another dog in the park <only wants to be with and please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog spending the time with the dog. jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of hence why I tried it. it is easy to become frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train them. I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog> so I can use the information from jerry's book and see just how good a dog can get. the dog I have now was when I picked her up from the RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea. cowered from every noise <and wet her self, messed in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her when I dragged her over to the mess. this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten <2.5 feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back however I knew I could bring her back to being to be a dog. the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to the shoulder and still growing. so well behaved even when people walk passed with a out of control dog. gentle with my child and trustworthy < I never have to worry that my dog will bite her, only have to worry if a stranger comes over to my child. still that is not a worry, she places herself between my child and the stranger. I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the crap out there it is good to see that someone has moved forward. looked at a different way to train dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face you should back off a little jerry however he is sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking and everything else. so jerry save this lad from ruining his dog. later, Joe =================== "Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote in message news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com... I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself the center of your puppy's world - - his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog. This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I want her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy Charlie ========================= "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363) http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe- The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) > ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } > oo-oo |
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