the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Disciple Charlie,

The salient POINT here is the OP was INSTRUCTED
to JERK and CHOKE his dog on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar by his breeder and THAT'S
HOWE COME he can't make his dog FRIENDS
with the CAUSE of his PUNISHNMENT.

The entire problem is EZ to resolve, but not if
you're gonna use bribery and punishment to
overcome FEAR responses, as you discovered
with your own dog Holly and her PROBLEM for
makin friends with some new people. THAT was
CAUSED by your BRIBERY, Disciple Charlie.

The Puppy Wizard TOLD YOU SO long ago an
far away, but YOU FORGOT cause "IT WAS
DIFFERENT," you was just tryin to make her
feel HAPPY meetin new people but INSTEAD
YOU RENIFORCE HER FEARS.

NHOWE you gotta get her HOWETA THAT
befor you have a TRAGICK ACCIDENT.

The GOOD NEWS is it'll only take a couple
instances of meetin people that spook her to
break the problem using the methods you
know but FAILED TO USE for this and garbage
eatin. REMEMBER, Disciple Charlie?

YOU'VE SHORELY DISAPPOINTED The Puppy
Wizard. The Puppy Wizard DESPISES a lazy student.

READ ON, Disciple Charlie:


That's IDIOCY. Whether the dog has bitten is IRRELEVENT.
The THOUGHT that he may NEED to bite is the pertinet
issue. That's caused by MISHANDLING. ALL behavior
problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.


She means bribing fearful dogs...


She means avoid the problem cause she
got no method to address it.


That's sheer idiocy. There's no need for professional
behaviorists if you know HOWE to hanlde and train
dogs cause ALL behavior problems are caused by MISHANDLING.

professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box
for ten minutes reflection" dermer is a liar and coward
and a dog abuser.


Ask nessa. She learned the HARD WAY.

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

The apdt are abusers and FRAUDS.


Unlike the nadoi where you gotta apprentice with
a dog abuser for two years.


The Puppy Wizard has reviewed their fraudulent
certification program. Google for it.

The apdt certification is a JOKE.

The behavior ****ysts will be hearin from The
Puppy Wizard in due course...


BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

You think they can resolve the dichotomy between
the SCRUFF SHAKE and allelomimetic behavior
and your kids climbin all over IT on the livin room floor?


professor SCRUFF SHAKE can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause he violates all ethics morals and human
decency values and principles.

it?

The Puppy Wizard is abHOWET to bring SHAME
to HOWER academics who like to punish dog
behaviors "AND NOT THE DOG" to quote professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

NO. This forum has for years been controlled by
lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward MENTAL
CASES to defend their alleged RIGHT to HURT
and KILL dogs they fear as they've done for decades.


Sorry Charlie. NO WON here is interested in LEARNING.
They're ONLY interests is in developing better methods
to HURT INTIMIDATE AND KILL HOWER BEST DOGS.


Most of the people in these threads are PROVEN LIARS
and DOG ABUSERS, Disciple Charlie. You gonna say they AIN'T?


Like THIS?:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


Here's sinofabitch teachin a 8 month old Lab
puppy to walk nice on his pronged spiked pinch
choke collar the first time she took IT HOWET
for her illegal dog walking business:


"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over
The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot
With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.


looney toons has had Ezra in remedial training
and behaviorist consults for nearly three years
with NO significant success and has had numerHOWES accidental bites.


They're LIARS and ABUSERS, Disciple Charlie.
You want MOORE PROOF???

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

A DOG IS A DOG, Disciple Charlie. We ain't
gonna blame the dog noMOORE for behavior
and temperament problems WE CAUSE by
jerking and choking shocking bribing and
locking dogs in a box an trying to get HOWET callin THAT, training.


The Puppy Wizard don't gotta GUESS. Dogs
respond in PREDICTABLE ways to situations
and cir***stances of their environments which
we provide for them. Therefore it's EZ to train
a dog to any behavior or situation we desire.


You mean you KNEW GSD's are 'FLIGHTY?"
Well Disciple Charlie, you probably also also
KNEW that FEAR BEHAVIORS are CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING.

We ain't gonna BLAME THE DOG noMOORE
like that pit bull book you read that spooked you.
Can't you figger it HOWET, Disciple Charlie?

You're taking advice and reading disinformation
that casts dogs in a bad light by DOG LOVERS
who FEAR and HURT and KILL HOWER BEST DOGS.


LikeWIZE The Puppy Wizard. The Puppy Wizard
is PARTICULARLY NOT IMPRESSED with you
bribing your own dog Holly to make friends with
newcommers.

THAT'S HOWE COME SHE FAILS ON OCCASION.

And that's likely to cost her her LIFE, Disciple Charlie.


You mean the PSYCHOPATHS you've been playin
grab ass with, Disciple Charlie? They can't post here
abHOWTES noMOORE either cause they HURT
and KILL dogs and LIE abHOWET it.


The PROBLEM IS we got LIARS and DOG ABUSERS
who KILL dogs that SCARE them.


NOT NO MOORE IT AIN'T ALLRIGHT.

Oh. Well just ask melanie, she's been in treatment
and medication at the UofPA for three years with
her fear aggressive man shy SA dog Solo.


E***CUSE The Puppy Wizard?

Ain't you seen ENOUGH, Disciple Charlie?


F. them, Disciple Charlie. Let's put the dHOWEBLETALKIN
university trained behaviorists on the spot. Let's you ask
them to defend punishing dogs to train them, startin with
the SCRUFF SHAKE so as to not waste any MOORE of
HOWER valuable time before DISPATCHING THEM
FOREVER from the world of dog training and behavior.

NHOWE stop bribing your dog to make friends
and follow the goddamned INSTRUCTIONS in
your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
before she attacks someWON and Holly GETS
DEAD on us, Disciple Charlie. The Puppy Wizard
HATES sayin "HE TOLD YOU SO."

Soon as we get the DOG ABUSERS HOWETA
this business we're goin after the teachers and
child behaviorists who treat children like HOWE
HOWER DOG LOVERS TREAT THEIR DOGS.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Cir***stances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.


I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------


The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM 'NO!'
into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten
minutes contemplation" dermer of the dept of ****-ytic
behaviorISM at UofWI,


You cannot reconcile your SCRUFF SHAKE or ANY
PUNISHMENT and ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR
with your children crawlin all over IT on the livin room floor.


NOT HERE. NOT NOMOORE.


The Puppy Wizard has E***POSED and DISCREDITED
HOWER PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


LikeWIZE, The Puppy Wizard has E***POSED and
DISCREDITED HOWER applied behavior ****-ysts.

YOUR OWN DOG IS EVIDENCE.


The Puppy Wizard has likeWIZE DISCREDITED ]
HOWER most reputable veterinary behaviorists.

INDEED? The Puppy Wizard is EAGER to have
your BOARD CERTIFIED BEHAVIOR ****-yst
DISS-CUSS your SCRUFF SHAKE and E***PLAIN
HOWE ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR will affect the
SAFETY of children crawlin all over your dog on the livin room floor.

You hurt dogs to train them and kil the WONS you
FEAR when you can't HURT them ENOUGH to make
them RESPECT TRUST and LOVE you and your
AUTHORITY, professor NAZI.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Cir***stances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.


I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.


I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
to the box first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY proefssor lyin doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock IT in a box for ten
minutes contemplation" dermer of the UofWI dept of ****-ytic
behaviorISM,


INDEEDY? That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard
is askin you to DEFEND YOUR DEGREE by DEFENDING
your SCRUFF SHAKE and reconciling THAT with allelomimetic
behavior and your kids climbin all over the dog on the livin
room floor.

YOU CAN'T.

In your post below which The Puppy Wizard imported,
at what age is it appupriate to SCRUFF SHAKE a dog?


To get the heel HOWETA this business, professor.


Your state boards will be reviewing BEHAVIORISM
as taught in universities and will be making the
appupriate ammendments to the curriculm.

The Puppy Wizard ain't interested in licensing
liars and dog abusers.

"My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually sufficient
but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad
Dog" ALWAYS works. I then, of course, quickly say
"Good Dog" when he is appropriately behaving.

In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement as in
using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement, timing
is very important. Use these consquences to control behavior"

But when sayin "BAD DOG" doesn't work, ASSAULT THE DOG?

HOWE is your licensing board gonna reconcile THAT with
effective scientific methods, proefssor HOWETA BUSINESS?


professor SCRUFF SHAKE is AFRAID of INFORMATION
that calls into QUESTION the ETHICS of his abuses.

You mean, the liars, dog abusers, and active mental
cases who HURT dogs and tell folks not to trust The
Puppy Wizard cause noWON can CURE ALL BEHAVIOR
PROBLEMS NEARLY INSTANTLY, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


That so, professor? Is that HOWE COME you lie and call
for censorship, professor SCRUFF SHAKE? Is that HOWE
COME you won't DISS-CUSS your SCRUFF SHAKE and
allelommietic behavior and the LIVING ROOM LABORATORY?


You think KILLIN dogs like Frits Sampson Peaches Raggdoll
Usul Chewie and all the others is ENTERTRAINING, professor?

EVERY DOG YOU'VE SEEN MURDERED HERE FOR
TEMPERAMENT PROBLEMS HAS BEEN MURDERED
BASED ON YOUR ADVICE AND METHODS.


Birds of a feather, professor?


MOST of HOWER regular posters are takin psychotropic
meds for their personality disorders, professor. Wanna SEE???


You talkin abHOWET The Puppy Wizard's Doggy Do
Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A ****atoo
Or Two Did Too) Device, professor?

You gotta WORRY abHOWET THAT, professor. If The
Puppy Wizard is on the level abHOWET it, THAT PROVES
The Puppy Wizard's Methods are SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE
and REPEATABLE. And THAT will PROVE your applied behavioral
****-sis is DEAD WRONG.

That means either The Puppy Wizard or YOU, are HOWETA BUSINESS.

Adios, professor SCRUFF SHAKE. You can't even defend your SCRUFF SHAKE.


Seems it's YOU who is the troll, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


In case HOWER good professor hasn't NOTICED, The Puppy
Wizard has fHOWEND the link between all your dog's DIS-EASES
and your inapupriate handling and training methods, professor\0
SCRUFF SHAKE.

FurtherMOORE, a dog is a dog, so your BREED groups are
no longer apupriate for discussions of breed characteristics
as most of THAT is dependent on apuppriate handling and
training.

The rescue group is particularly effected, as most of
the "rescue" is inappupriate and irresponsible cause
most of their RESCUE dogs are only in need of a few
minutes of appupriate handling and trainin, professor.

INDEED? Here's your fox hurtin a 8 month old Lab puppy:

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's
Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand,
Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled
Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.


You hurt dogs, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


You're a liar, professor scruff shake. Can you defend
your pal sinofabitch throwin dHOWEN a 8 month old
puppy takin HOWET on a pronged spiked pinch choke
collar for the first time by a stranger and jerked and
choked till IT painicked and then assaulting him like that?

YOU CAN'T.

PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME you can't answer
any of The Puppy Wizard's questions, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


Let's talk abHOWET scruff shaking and allelomimetic behavior, professor?


The Puppy Wizard has E***POSED you as a liar and dog
abuser and coward professor and indicts your university
as bein culpable and responsible for the harm you've done
and the students you've DEFRAUDED HOWETA their
inheritances all these years.

The owner of the GSD was instructed to HURT his dog by
his breeder. NO WON SAID NUTHIN ABHOWET THAT,
except that they didn't think HURTIN the dog was appupriate.

INDEED? That's HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Coward MENTAL CASES, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

Here's a other question you can't answer, professor SCRUFF SHAKE
At what age can you SCRUFF SHAKE your dog?

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: new puppy bitting/chewing hands Date: 1999/07/06
In article <378156F8.B63D9362@bellsouth.net> Biosound@aol.com
writes:

Using many, many words, like his manual, Jerry now asserts that
the
punishment procedures I have recommended are inappropriate and
that about 10% of the dogs treated this way will "turn on their
owners."

My only second thought about what I recommended was that I did not
realize
how young the puppy was. So, the "ouch" you hurt me approach
advocated
by Avrama and others would appear more appropriate than picking
the
dog up by the neck and gently shaking it contingent on biting.

I can understand that some people do not want to use punishment
but
it can be very effective if used sparingly. As for the 10% figure
Jerry provides no research.

--Marshall


------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: new puppy bitting/chewing hands
Date: 1999/07/05
In article <976F54CA8C2C77AB.9DF245927D0DAB8B.90BA464FE454EF7 F@lp.airnews.net


At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But,
if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit,
and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have
achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing
has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a
conditioned
punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary
to decrease the unwanted biting.

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of
punishment (I
would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad
Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually sufficient but
sometimes I
use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works. I then,
of
course, quickly say "Good Dog" when he is appropriately behaving.

In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement as in using
nonverbal
punishement and reinforcement, timing is very important. Use
these
consquences to control behavior much as in the game where a child
is told
"your getting hot" or "your getting cold." If the delay between
the
behavior and the consquence is too long then the behavior will
not
appropriately change.


--Marshall

---------------------

NHOWE for the coupe de gras, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

Can you tell a truth from a lie?

Take off your shoes and socks and see if
you can cHOWENT HOWE many LIES
are in the following QUOTES:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Waning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


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You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

And here's you, a liar a dog abuser and a mental
case, speakin for the professional trainers???


Naaah. That ain't openin NUTHIN. You want
OPENIN HORNETS??? The Puppy Wizard
sez you can't do what you do to dogs to train
them and not E***PECT TO NEED to KILL
some of them:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.


SEE???

Then you gotta wonder HOWE COME dogs GO
NUTS and ATTACK PEOPLE and then some
NUT like YOU goes and KILLS EM:


So either way, YOU GET MONEY for HURTIN
and / or KILLIN DOGS. Don't you.


Yeah, but you LIE every time.


You mean not HURTIN dogs TOO MUCH?


BWEEAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

That program is a SCAM.

CITES PLEASE? YOU'RE A LIAR.

Agreed. But that's not the PROBLEM. The PROBLEM
is liars and dog abusers like you hurtin and killing dogs for money.

BWEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

THEY'RE NAZIS. Like yourself.

Like yourself? Any book method trainer or
idea you endorse is GONNA HURT.

That's a load of crap. The problem is their two
years apprentiship with an abuser like yourself.

That's malarkey. The cpdt was to qualify NON VIOLENT TRAINERS.


BWEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Let's talk abHOWET SAR dog trainin?


As a liar and dog abuser and active mental patient...


The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual Students can
do all that in just a couple HOWERS work
studying their FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual:

"The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would
Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs, As Taught In Your FREE
Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
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To: Jhowe
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: hi


Hi Jerry,

Starr says hi, she's enjoying new freedom, iv been working her
off lead in my yard she comes every time. She got a little
spooked today I don't really know why but she wanted to go
inside, anyway when I asked her to come her attitude changed
as she took up her position in front of me.

Then she was easy to get under control.

Oh and with winter we're having let me tell you its great to have
a dog that doesn't pull on the lead anymore. With all this ice id
hate being dragged around. Ohand i meant to tell you and
never got around to it, i was ableto rescue a lost, fear/agressive
dog from running all over the street using the methods which are
now almost second nature to me. with body language, praise
and distraction i got a dog that i thought might try to bite me
sitting happily at my side and wanting to be pet and played
with while we waited for the dog officer to take him to the
shelter so it all worked out well:-)

bye bye for now, crystal

============================================

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Disciple Charlie,


Who's been in remedial training for nearly
three years and has made 0 PROGRESS.


STILL IS. Ezra was banned from obedience
classes a couple months ago and has bittin
a 8 year old girl minding her business and
a jogger and nearly every member of her family.


That's a lie. Ezra is still aggressive and HOWETA control.


sinofabitch is a pathological liar.


Well Disciple Charlie, that's a other goddamned
FAERIE TAIL dreamed up by INCOMPTENT LYIN
DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS who
only know HOWE to HURT and KILL dogs they fear.


looney toons doesn't know HOWE to train a dog
to a muzzle, to begin with, and secondly, Sony
doesn't TRUST her enough to permit her to handle him.

You mean instead of doin the Hot & Cold Exercise to
teach the dog you ain't gonna jerk and choke IT no
MOORE and the Family Leadership Exercise to
teach him to follow and pay attention and look up
to you as his leader and then installing the come
command as a conditioned reflex to have 100%
total non physical control and then doin with him
as you please and addressing any behavior quirks
according to the safe gentle effective scientific an
psychological conditioning and desensitization
techniques as taught in your FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual, Disciple Charlie?

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Cir***stances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.


I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.


I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box
first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

----------------------------------------------

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,


Yeah. They're experienced dog abuser liars and mental cases.

The Puppy Wizard teaches green handlers to become
E***PERST in a couple days... NEARLY INSTANTLY, you could say.


We don't gott SEE a dog to learn NOT TO HURT IT, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


You mean like SCRUFF SHAKING a puppy, professor?


No professor, YOU can have the last word. Tell us
HOWE you reconcile your SCRUFF SHAKE and
allelomimetic behavior with your kids climbin all
over the dog on your living room floor.

Then you can retire from teaching.


Can you tell a truth from a lie?

Take off your shoes and socks and see if
you can cHOWENT HOWE many LIES
are in the following QUOTES:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A\0
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of your palm.
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You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and
SCREAM 'NO!' into ITS face for 5 seconds and lock
IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer,


Let's talk abHOWET SAR dog trainers? Or sheep dog trainers?
Or shelter and rescue dog lovers who jerk and choke and shock
and spray aversives in dog's faces AND THEN KILL THEM?

Oh yeah, ohhh yeaaah... Oh? LOOKEY HERE!
Here's some ARTISTRY for ya:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.
================


Oh yeah! That's INSANE. Ain't it.

SEE???

Then you gotta wonder HOWE COME dogs GO
NUTS and ATTACK PEOPLE and then some
NUT like your pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn goes and KILLS EM:

"art.")

What a load of crapola, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

We're dealin with pathological liars and dog abusers
and professors of ****-ytic behaviorISM who are
fighting for their very lives right here on HOWER forums.

That so? Well, you're HOWETA BUSINESS cause every
thing you been teachin is HOWE COME dogs have temperament
and behavior problems and stress related OCD'S and autoimmune
DIS-EASES like your dog got.


<snip load of crap>

Oh? You mean you gotta TAILOR your SCIENTIFIC METHODS
to the INDIVIDUAL, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


That so? The Puppy Wizard sez you're a FRAUD a LIAR
and a DOG ABUSER.


Oh? You mean like when your cheese doesn't stop
a dog from biting and you gotta SCRUFF SHAKE IT?

That's EZ professor. The Puppy Wizard sez you can't hurt dogs noMOORE.


RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE COME YOU HURT AND KILL DOGS.


ON ACCHOWENT OF YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS.

http://www.envmed.rochester.edu/wwwvgl/jaba_articles/2003/hanley-36-147.pdf

That's nice professor SCRUFF SHAKE, but it's a load of crap.

You mean to TAILOR your scientific behavior modification
to suit the individual critter's PREFERENCE for PAIN FEAR
FORCE INTIMIDATION and BRIBES?


Like the kinda judgemen that allHOWES you to HURT
a dog, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


INDEEDY. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn is a MENTAL CASE.


Let's talk abHOWET your dog's OCD masturbatory disorder
and his LIFE THREATENING STRESS INDUCED DIS-EASES,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

Tell us HOWE withHOWET being a ARTIST of curse, you
can reconcile your SCRUFF SHAKE with allelomimetic
behavior and your kids climbin all over the dog on the
living room LABORATORY floor, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

The Puppy Wizard eagerly awaits your answer.

Either defend your degree or get the heel HOWETA teachin.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child. They Respond
In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive,
Reflexive, Ways, To Cir***stances And Situations
Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.


I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.


I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the
box
first?)

Hello People,

Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.

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