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1 12th September 07:54
sarah
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I have a 6 month old Golden who has been having diarrhea several times a
night for the last 2.5 weeks. When it started we woke up to him soiling his
crate for two nights in a row. We put him on a rice and boiled hamburger
diet for a few days and it would clear up but come back when we went back to
regular dog food. But while on the rice meal he was ok at night. Then
after about 13 days he stopped having diarrhea during the day and eating
regular food but the night diarrhea has come back. Every two hours he
whines to go out and it's always runny with gas. It smells terrible and its
yellowish. During the day he has completely normal colored, consistency and
smell poops. Any ideas on why this is happening at night only? We got him
from a pet store at 4 months old and he was thoroughly checked out by two
vets. He's otherwise not sick at all. No change in behaviour. He is not
dehydrated, no blood in his stools. Is it even possible that he could be
doing it on purpose? I wouldn't think so at all but it seems very strange
to me. This is my first dog and I can't find anything on the Net or in
books to suggest it could be all in his mind or anything. Any ideas would
be greatly appreciated!

Sarah
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2 12th September 07:54
rocky
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Sarah said in rec.pets.dogs.health:


Vet. Take a fresh morning stool sample with you (runny or not)
and ask specifically for a giarda test.

Do it tomorrow. Your puppy may be getting seriously dehydrated.

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3 12th September 07:54
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In article <xJPBc.6388$7H1.5544@fe39.usenetserver.com> "Sarah" <glycerin@alltel.net> writes:


1. I don't think this is in your dog's "mind" or intentional.

2. The pattern of his bowel movements being OK during the day but
not at night is strange. What are you feeding him and when?

3. I would suspect that your dog has a food allergy. I would
put him back on the rice/burger diet and when his feces
look fine I would gradually switch him to a new food.

The question is what food to try?

According to this article the protein source is often associated
with food allergies:

http://www.pethealthcare.net/html/body_canine_food_allergy.html

Because you know that your dog does well on hamburger/rice
you might want to put him on a kibble diet where the major
source of protein is beef and the major source of carbohydrate
is rice. Don't assume, however, that because the product's
name mentions Beef/Rice that there is not some other source
of animal protein. Read the ingredients.

You might also want to avoid the major ingredients associated
with the kibble you are now feeding him. Perhaps the major
ingredients of his current kibble were chicken and corn. Then
I would avoid these in the new food. On the other hand,
suppose the major ingredients were beef and corn. This might
suggest that your dog is allergic to corn because he reportedly
does well on hamburger and rice.

Still another possibility is to have a special diet formulated
by Dr. Rebecca Remillard at http://www.petdiets.com/ Dr. Remillard
is a DVM and expert on animal nutrition.

Of course, the key to knowing what to do depends on the right
diagnosis. Fortunately, trying different foods is not a costly
way of exploring the possibility of a food allergy and you
are lucky that you already know that the condition clears
up with hamburger and rice. I bet Dr. Remillard could formulate
a balanced diet with hamburger and rice being the major ingredients,
but if you don't want to serve your dog home-cooked meals then
you can carefully explore commercial dog foods.

I am not a veterinarian and many people will share excellent
ideas with you based on their experience and not veterinary training.

Please keep us posted.

--Marshall
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4 12th September 07:54
sarah
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I didn't think so but I had to ask.

I am currently feeding him Nutro Max for puppies at 8am and again at 5pm.


If he has an allergy though, why only affect him at night?


The main ingredients in his current food is chicken, lamb and corn. There
is also rice in there. I am going to check again with the vet tomorrow as
well. Perhaps a new kibble would be best. I also have a cat with asthma.
He is allergic to cat food and has attacks unless he is on a hypo-allergenic
diet so I am familiar with food allergies. I just don't know how I got so
lucky as to have now possibly two animals that are allergic to commercial
foods.....sigh.... Thank you for the information. I will definitely read up
on it and keep you posted.

Sarah
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5 12th September 07:55
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If nothing comes of the stool samples, try giving your pup some good quality
acidophilus, or add a bit of yogurt with live culture to his diet. There
might be an upset in the good bacteria in his bowel. It's just a thought if
all else is eliminated.
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6 12th September 07:55
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In article <1xQBc.6393$7H1.2764@fe39.usenetserver.com> "Sarah" <glycerin@alltel.net> writes:

Hi Sarah,

I did a search with "nocturnal" and "diarrhea" and found many sites.
This seemed most interesting because it gives you an idea of the
range of causes that can be involved for humans:

http://www.medicine.northwestern.edu/residentnet/Dan's%20stuff/vip.doc


Is this it?

http://www.nutroproducts.com/maxdogpuppy.asp

It is at least 17% fat which makes sense for young or active
dogs without diarrhea.

Yes! That is the puzzle for any potential cause such as
parastites, allergies, etc.


Wasn't it "love at first sight"? :-)

--Marshall
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7 12th September 07:55
sarah
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I took Max to the vet this morning after being up every 1.5 hours and it
didn't seem to be getting "better" this morning. She found two of the
Giardia parasites in this stool from this morning. She gave us medication
to give him for 10 days and said that doesn't work she will check for
whipworms. She confirmed that he has not been dehydrated. In fact since his
last check up 1.5 months ago he has nearly doubled his weight and is very
healthy otherwise. So I am hoping that we have found the cause and will be
able to get rid of it for good. She didn't know exactly why it was
affecting him at night but said being intermittent wasn't uncommon and his
cycle might just have been overnight. Who knows?? Thanks for all the help
though

Sarah
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8 12th September 07:55
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This is very interesting. The nocturnal diarrhea description is exactly
what it was like. I never thought to use the word nocturnal.

Yes that is it. I might think about changing his diet anyway if this
doesn't clear up.


Yes for both the cat and the dog!

Sarah
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9 12th September 07:55
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Sarah said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

[Giardia]


That's why I mentioned giarda - Rocky's was also intermittent on
a short cycle.

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10 12th September 07:55
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In article <%0_Bc.6472$7H1.1141@fe39.usenetserver.com> "Sarah" <glycerin@alltel.net> writes:


Great news! And the honors go to Matt for suggesting Giardia!

--Marshall
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