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1 8th June 12:17
yourworstfreakinnightmare
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Default Dog killed cat


HOWEDY Just me,

Are you familiar with BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION?


Are you a BREED FANCIER or are you just a guillible dog
lover who's had your mind POISONED by incompetent LHOWETS
who call themselves ETHICKAL BREEDERS SHELTER / RESCUE /
FOSTER workers and VOLUNTEERS who jerk and choke dogs on
pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock crate bribe
intimidate surgically ***ually mutilate and withhold attention
affection and so called rewards and MURDER dogs they ain't
got the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit on accHOWENT Of their BALANCED
OBEDIENCE TRAINING or O.C. or C.C. or WHATEVER METHODS are
used to force CON-TROLL and intimidate and punish dogs for
their INSTINCTIVE behaviors and BLAME THE DOG for not bein
SMART enough to learn his lessons in Alpha pack dynamics and BODY LANGUAGE.


HUNTIN ain't got NUTHIN to do with attackin innocent critters.

Lisen up. You're pullin the kinda crap that blames dogs
for not bein TRAINABLE just like the MENTAL CASES here
have taught you to do. Your METHODS of trainin are HOWE
COME your dog is HOWETA CON-TROLL and you should be GLAD
that you AIN'T GOT TO BLAME YOUR DOG for bein CRUEL to
animals you can BLAME YOURSELF for MISHANDLING YOUR OWN
DOG instead. And that doesn't mean MUZZLE and CRATE IT
and AVOID meetin folks it means TRAIN YOUR DOGS DIFFERENTLY.

And the MENTAL CASES you're asking here KNOW the Score but
CANNOT STOP HURTIN DOGS and THAT'S provable right here.


E***CELLENT POINT. WE EVEN BLAME TEMPERAMENT ON COLORS.


Dogs love to pull.


THAT ain't gonna HEELP. WHO SEZ you should BLAME anyWON?

Only MENTAL CASES look to LAY BLAME on someWON to
JUSTIFY a situation THEY AIN'T GO NO IDEA HOWE to
FIX withHOWET MURDERIN the dog.


NO. IT'S SUMPTHIN YOU CANNOT STOP DOIN or
YOU'D HAVE DONE THAT already and FIXED the
PROBLEM, not try to LAY BLAME on your dog's
BREED. THAT'S HOWE COME J.Q. Pubic is callin
for all the Pit Dogs to be MURDERED. A dog is
a dog and they TRAIN ALL THE SAME SAME if you
know HOWE.

OtherWIZE YOU GET THIS KIND OF INCONSISTICY.


NO. It's a TRAININ METHODS PROBLEM.


There's a very clear discussion on the METHODS
of handling and training dogs below. There's been
a CONSPIRACY to DEPRIVE YOU of the TRUTH by the
dog abusing mental cases you're asking here abHOWETS.


The poster below has likeWIZE made a couple of
fundamental errors in her training thinking and
therefore NO LONGER POSTS HERE abHOWETS so to
avoid CONfHOWENDING you The Amazing Puppy Wizard
will <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP> some of her suggestions
as they're really set you in the WRONG direction
and will SHOWE YOU HOWE COME:
From: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com> -
Date: 1999/07/10
Subject: Re: No no at all

Dear Jerry,

On the subject of no 'no', and since this was of great
interest to me, over the last 4 -5 weeks I have been
training an experimental group where the commands 'No'
and 'Leave' have been eliminated completely.

Everything we do here demands complete 'new way of thinking'
and requires trainer disciplines to the extreme. The 'preparation'
exercises, I've found, is what counts. I find it very difficult to
explain to people that we do not have to use a command to stop a dog
behaving in a certain way, we just need to prepare them so that we can instead
<SNIP><SNIP><SNIP> "give a command to 'encourage them to
do something else'." IOW, marilyn is OFFERING a REPLACEMENT
or ALTERNATE INCOMPATIBLE BEHAVIOR to AVOID a behavior she
DOESN'T KNOW HOWE to train. END <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>.
This requires, with my experiment, <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>
"a new command - one that 'changes the emotion instantly' -"

LIKE PRAISE.

"once the emotion has been changed"

BY PRAISE.

" we can then praise the dog. "

marilyn has described ANCHORING as taught in
your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizards
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
END <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>.

(I believe 'praise' is where the dog 'begins' to learn).


The difficulty is 'preparing' the dog so that this 'new command'
is associated with something 'more desirable' than whatever it
may be that the dog is 'feeling' when previously we would have
corrected. Does that make sense?

To appreciate this fully, one has to believe that no 'natural
dog behaviour' is bad. To stop thinking about behaviour as being
'intentional' but to think of it as being 'desirable'.

Then to focus on desire and not on reprimand.
<SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>
"It takes a great deal of self control and confidence to work with
this and there are hiccups - there are many questions and many
examples where it's not so easy -"

marilyn is leavin a warm flat rock to slide under...
TRAINING DOGS IS EZ IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT THE E***PERTS
TELL US TO DO. END <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>

but this is where 'working with it' over the last 4 - 5 weeks
has taught me just how much more there is to understand and
learn about dog behaviour.

I am working through all the hiccups and seeing it as probably
the biggest challenge of my working life. I feel 100% confident
(Yes 100%) that this is a better way. The experimental group have
dogs with previous severe behaviour problems (perhaps this was not
the best place to start - it would have been a whole lot easier on
virgin puppies) However, in the 4 lessons they have had they have
achieved a higher level of obedience than those in other groups who
have received 8 lessons and did not have dogs with severe behaviour
problems.

I find this amazing - so do others who have watched (all groups).
<SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>

"There is still a lot of necessary adaptations
required and it is not perfected yet,"

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME SHE AIN'T POSTIN HERE
END <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>

but it is a great deal more fulfilling than having to
continually use the commands 'no' and 'leave', which I
truly believe have no 'long term' value whatsoever in
education of any kind.
<SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>

"What is necessary also, is to understand that we are never
going to be able to eliminate the desires that cause dogs
to do the things they do "

THAT'S INSANE! marilyn is AFRAID to LEARN HOWE, and
is MAKIN E***CUSES for here own ANTICIPATED FAILURE:

"and they may well continue to feel these desires (e.g.:
bark at or growl at another dog), we have to accept this."

LIKE THAT! THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE FROM A E***PERT TRAINER.

"We have to work with it, not against it."

Like HOWE IT SEZ in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

"Let them see a better alternative - (As I have)."
INDEEDY... END <SNIP><SNIP><SNIP>

I thank you for being here Jerry - you are an inspiration.

Respectfully,
Marilyn

marilyn sells books and training lessons...

Here's THE E***PERT, a TRUE Master:
From: The Master <the_master222@my-deja.com>
Date: 1999/06/27
Subject: Re: No no at all

I agree with what canis said. I would like to add
two questions of my own.

By definition, is "no" a positive or negative word? (Please
don't tell me that the dog doesn't understand the definition
of the word. Of course he doesn't, but he certainly understands
the emotional association any normal human has when hearing or
uttering it.)

If you could get the same result--stopping an unwanted behavior-
-by laughing or by praising the dog, both of which are non-
adversarial, non-confrontational, and which only stimulate positive
social feelings in the dog, what would be your reason for continuing
to say "no"?

If your answer is that the dog needs to know that you're the
pack leader or the alpha dog, then we cannot agree until the
day you realize there is no such animal.

When my dog picks up a chicken bone or a pizza crust off
the New York side walk, all I have to do is say "Good boy!",
and he immediately drops it and wags his tail. In fact lately,
he's taken to sniffing such forbidden food objects, looking up
at me, and moving on.

Oh, I guess I have a third question: how do you explain
that praise can stop an unwanted behavior as well as or
better than saying "no"?
canis55 is The_Master222's Student:


cindi is a dog abusing mental case, a FOSTER care giver
who SHOCKS and jerks and chokes her dogs, as does april:


THAT'S A LIE. cindi took Buck over to FRAUDrecks
for a shock collar session and STILL couldn't train him to COME.

cindi is lyin...

These MENTAL CASES can't POISON PROOF their dogs.


NO IT DON'T TRAIN THE DOG IT KEEPS YOU TELLIN THEM
'NO' ALL THE TIME AND GETS DOGS DEATHLY ILL AND DEAD.


BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!

MENTAL CASES! YOU SEE THAT?


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

HOWE abHOWET a brief variably alternating
distaction intantly followed by PRAISE? BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAa!!!


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!
MENTAL CASES!!! SEE?

IT DOES NOT TRAIN THE DOG NOT TO DO THE BEHAVIOR AGAIN...


FOR DOIN THE BAD BEHAVIORS!

And THAT'S HOWE COME you CANNOT FOLLOW the ADVICE
of these MENTAL CASES who CHOKE BRIBE CRATE SHOCK
INTIMIATE MUTILATE and MURDER THEIR OWN DOGS.


What happens when this MISUNDERSTOOD INCORRECTLY
APPLIED METHOD FAILS AS IT MUST??? They BLAME THE
DOG and BLAME NOT HURTING IT as the PROBLEM, Just me.

THAT'S HOWE COME these MENTAL CASES WANT TO HURT DOGS.

Stopping and redirecting IS rewarding BAD BEHAVIORS.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG MURDERED THAT KAT IN FRONT
OF THEM KIDS, Just me. THAT'S THE PROBLEM Not your dog
not his bree, but HIS TRAINING that YOU GOT from DOG
ABUSING MENTAL CASES who CHOKE SHOCKE BRIBE CRATE
INTIMIDATE MUTILATE and MURDER DOGS like you got and
BLAME THE BREED and call themselves RESCUE and SHELTERS
and FOSTER CARE and ETHICKAL BREEDERS, Just me, the
MENTAL CASES YOU'RE ASKIN RIGHT HERE on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN
BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES <{); ~ ) >


--
"NATURE IS NEVER WRONG" --Rousseau
From: Cindi <c...@ix.netcom.com> -
Date: 1999/06/27
Subject: Re: No no at all The Master_222 wrote:


What in the world is the difference? If you can say "no" without
upsetting your dog, then do it. If you stop a behavior by laughing
at or praising your dog, you still run the risk of upsetting him. It all depends.


Well, this is pretty stupid, in my opinion. What do you do when you
*want* him to pick something up? What if he picks up a ball and you
want him to have picked up the ball -- you can't praise him, no, or
else
he'll spit the ball out? I'm training Buck to be an assistance dog, to

pick things up for me, and I don't want him spitting things out until I

tell him to. I suppose if you have strictly pet dogs who won't ever be

expected to carry things in their mouths it doesn't matter.

I, and I think just about anybody who shows or competes in any sport or

who trains dogs for hunting or SAR or anything like that, specifically
do NOT WANT PRAISE TO MEAN A BEHAVIOR SHOULD BE STOPPED. Praise means
a
behavior is a correct behavior and should be continued.

Cindi


From: The Master <the_master...@my-deja.com>
Date: 1999/06/28
Subject: Re: No no at all

In article <37766990.906E5...@ix.netcom.com>,
Cindi <c...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


Cindi,

You didn't answer this question. And I'm sad to say that
from reading your responses in this thread, it's clear that
you don't understand no and you don't completely understand
praise.

Read my post called *What Makes Dogs Trainable*.

Maybe that will help.

--
"NATURE IS NEVER WRONG"
--Rousseau
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