the puppy wizard

Heel problems - Puppy Class!!! -- Shhh! Class In Session

Date: 2002-07-12 16:31:39 PST

HOWEDY Scott,

Excellent! You musta got one of the pups that didn't
experience CANIBALISM by mom dog with the ethical
breeders at oakhill kennels, amy 'lying frosty' and john
'bushwhack' dahl.

Perhaps you got lucky and got one from a puppy miller
who never bothered to shove his fingers down your
puppy's throat to choke him outta mouthing, like our dog
lovers PREFER to do... ask them.

When they DENY it, I'll just freakin QUOTE THEM.
And 20 liars will respond that I'm a liar an
you should killfile Jerry so they won't be EXPOSED
as the lying dog abusing Thugs I've proven they are.

Excellent! Our dog lovers prefer the pronged spiked
pinch choke collar. They say it "gently guides our dogs,
kinda like power steering." You're on the right track I'd say.


You're supposed to loop the chain up under the ears so
it'll dig into the trachea to guide the puppy. He'll object
by laying flat with fear, but that's O.K., just keep it on
your left and make it fun!

Yeah, like I just said! They "pancake" from fear, like
sweeny's and lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's protection
training candidate test failures. When they do that you're
supposed to give the leash a little POP and keep goin.
The pup will learn to like that and respect and follow you.


Right. That's HOWE COME you got to get the hang of
(oops...) of that leash pop. Look on our faqs pages at
k-9web by sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM, cover its
muzzle and tell it not to be such a MOANER" mooreon,
as she continues to pinch and twist its ears.

Ooops! I mighta munged that all up for ya. Lemme see if'n
I can't git it straight, I always confuse pinchin toes with
twisting
ears and pinchin ears and twistin toes... Ask susan fraser about
that, she or sionnach know HOWE that's supposed to go.


Do you have a heeling or training stick? Ask Master Of
Deception blankman or melanie HOWE to use a shepherd's
crook to properly beat your dog in the face to motivate him.
Oh! I ALMOST forgot, you'll get the specific instruction you
need from our own lying frosty dahl's STICK FETCH article at: http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html


Try to perfect the leash pop taught on our faqs pages at
k9web. It's just the opposite of the down or back command.

Or you could move up to the pronged spiked pinch choke
collar. You'll get excellent advice about that from liea altshuler
or janet boss or marybeth or sionnach or leah or well, just
about anybody here, except ed w of petloss dot CON or ludwig or
dogman aka tom soronson of soronson's kennels aka joey
finnochiario our aids forum moderator. (We'll discuss that
on another thread.)

They're into the choke chain according to koehler, being the
purists that they are... Got to make sure the PRONG is
fitted puperly or it'll fall off when you're givin it a leash pop
so they prefer the old fashioned choke chain. It's really moore
effective than the prong, but you got to know HOWE to use it puperly.


Or you could just keep the chain taught and move in on
the pup and just "CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That
Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the
stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems
totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished,"
according to lying frosty dahl.

If you don't have immediate success, don't worry about it.
Training takes time and is best learned at the heel of a
master trainer like janet boss or dogman a.k.a. jack
morrison (since returning).

They'll tell you HOWE it is, and to quote lying frosty dahl
once again: "This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the
dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear
is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth
it)" lying frosty dahl.
"David & Janette Sweeney" <sweeney1@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:7naI6.16984$482.86976@newsfeeds.bigpond.com.. .

David,

Yeah, I've already posted this link and looked at it
myself.

Amy Dahl *does* talk about hitting dogs with sticks...
and ear pinching.

-Lisa
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This is pretty incredible stuff:

Here's a couple quotes from our dog abusing lying Thug
pals:

Ask cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon for her
forced fetch page on k9web.

She'll refuse to disclose it and threatens to sue any of
us for discussing it here...

I Wonder HOWE COME???

Ask cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon about her
INSTRUCTIONS to shove a dog's head under water to
break digging....

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
Believe There Is A Single Cir***stance Ever, Where
Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't
see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog,
or how any trainer could possibly get a good working
dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc."
sez amy lying frosty dahl who continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have
trained require much more frequent and heavy application
of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the
stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs
may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!

Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash
around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch

You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of
your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,
As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally
reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog
drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No!
Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear
is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth
it)" lying frosty dahl.

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora
gingold.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right,
Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very
Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About
The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy
"don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon.

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous
Canine."

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?

When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior.

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You're scary Marilyn.

Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel
very sorry for her and her family.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please
provide a quote (an original quote, not from one
of Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or using an
abusive form of training.

--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

SOMEBODY'S LYIN AN IT AIN'T JERRY...