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1 14th April 19:33
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HOWEDY Chuck,


SHOWNDS like your dog is becoming dominant.


"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause.
Then he starts to work the dog deliberately and fairly to
the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
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2 14th April 19:33
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With the German Shepherd I raised, I tried one method which seemed to work
wonders. This German Shep. was a female and about 4-5 months when the large
amount of intorductions took place.

We simply just had her on her normal collar and leash when people came near.
It is important to allow the dog to sniff the hand(s) the the
people(persons) that you are introducing into the dog's enviornment. This
allows the dog to "meet" the person at his/her own pace.

I raised this German Shepherd as a seeing eye dog. I had many wonderful
experiences with her. If you have ANY questions, never hesitate to contact
me!!!!!!

Love,
Nina
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3 14th April 19:34
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HOWEDY disciple charlie,


And make her suspiciHOWES. Dogs are scavengers.
They steal scraps of food and run to hide to eat it with
their backs to the wall in a heightened state of alert.


That'll make the dog anxiHOWES.


And that'll make the dog want to fight or flee.

You mean they bribed her with the treat, appealing
to the gut level instead of appealing to the dog's
higher social sensibilities, like sayin HOWEDY.


INDEEDY. We've DIS-CUSSED this before.
Several of HOWER DOG LOVERS have
NOTICED their dogs have TURNED on
their guests who've offered them treats to MAKE FRIENDS.


THAT'S HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard
doesn't BRIBE dogs to train them.

Well, perhaps the OP HAS been readin HOWER forum.

That's SUBMISSIVE behavior.


Perhaps... if they don't handle and train her pupperly.

INDEED. It's all in your FREE copy of The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual.


Good. That won't last for long, HOWEver.

That's not a WIZE idea till they learn HOWE
to pupperly handle their lead and control their
dog withHOWET pulling to restrain her.


The OP won't be gettin no goddamend advice
from HOWER dog lovers.


Seems Chuck, Lori and Marley haven't
been readin HOWER forum... and doesn't
know they're askin folks who got THE SAME
SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM and can't CURE it themselves.


Like HOWER friend disciple charlie. He
got the same same same same PROBLEM
for the same same same same REASON.

You been takin sumpthin, disciple charlie? A dog
is a dog. Haven't you learned that yet? You've been
readin a lotta GARBAGE from dog fanciers who
HURT and KILL their dogs and verterinary behaviorISTS
who TELL THEM HOWE to HURT and KILL their dogs, disciple charlie.


BWEEWEHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

So you're gonna tell the OP HOWE you achieved
this SAME SAME SAME SAME PROBLEM they got?

Well THAT'S HOWE COME SHE DOES THAT!!!

You been in for some ECT since first studying
your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,
disciple charlie????

You also had said you gave your friends bribes
to offer Holly to heelp her make friends. THAT'S
HOWE COME you got THE SAME SAME SAME
SAME PROBLEM, disciple charlie.


You mean, so they'll CONTINUE to have the
same same same same problem you got,
disciple charlie? That ain't gonna make the
dog feel CONfident and HAPPY and BE SAFE.

IN FACT, that might provoke the dog to bite
someWON and maybe GET IT DEAD, disciple charlie.


Like Fritz: <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I
freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of
the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts
of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and
Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really
infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to
hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use their
real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the
equal or better than those that have studied and lived by
their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.


I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife
and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey
(Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to
the box first?)

===============

Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
http://www.doggydoright.com

The Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; - ) >


ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
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4 14th April 19:34
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HOWEDY Deana,

I've seen a few dogs trained like that. It's curiHOWES
HOWE it works like that. Perhaps it shows the dog
you don't fear him, so he's got nuthin to fear from you.

Wonderful. I've got some issues for the guide dog
trainin methods, but don't have time to go into that
at the moment but will be eager to in another post.
This post has some particularly important information.

The Puppy Wizard sees you're a little aghast at
the koeher method post. Most of HOWER group
members are devHOWET koehler trainers.


You'll be hard pressed to find that here abHOWETS.


Subject: Re: 10 month old Labrador aggressive

Date: 2003-11-18 15:54:05 PST

HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
<TOTE@dog-play.com> wrote in message news:bpe1m6$1mscj2$1@ID-80796.news.uni-berlin.de...

That's sheer idiocy.

NO. Socialization is NOT the problem, it's trainin.


You beat your dog in the face with a shepherd's crook
for similar problems workin sheepses.

You're a blowhard.

strangers. That so?


You some kinda racist?


A dog is a dog. You jerk and choke your dogs on pronged
spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray aversives
in their faces and beat them with a stick.

That so? You mean, you an ethickal breeders like your
pal lying frosty dahl?


Dogs aggress on accHOWENT of FEAR.


You're full of crap. It's on accHOWENT of rumor mongers
like you that the pit bull has a bad reputation.


On accHOWENT of you can't train them to be TRUSTWORTHY
if you're not there to hurt and intimidate them to be NICE.

Sez a proven liar and dog abuser.

You're full of crap. A dog is a dog. All behavior problems
are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

park.

You day board your dogs at the sick animal HOWEspital
and never leave your dog's HOWET in the yard cause
your neighbors COMPLAIN abHOWET the noise.

You're a goddamned mental case.


Till you ruin them.


Cause they're too weak to resist you jerkin and chokin them.


BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

That's on accHOWENT of you mishandle them.
<snip>


You mean, instead of worrying abHOWET makin the dog MOORE FEARFUL?


BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
You're a blowhard.

IOW, IT can't be trained?

You mean LUCK?


BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

You bums ain't gettin away with blamin the dog noMOORE.

That's supposed to teach the dog SELF CONTROL?

NO. That's HOWE COME you can't train a dog, Master Of Deception blankman.

That so? HOWE you gonna do THAT???

dogs...

Yeah... "If you can train your dog with hand signals, or fear, or
whatever to not attack other dogs, that's great."


Then there'll be less RISK that you'll break the dog
of WANTING to snap.


That's malarkey. You're blamin the dog for behaviors you can't control.


That's a load of crap. Read Professora Daniel and Sunshine's
case history. She socialized Sunshine just like HOWE dr dunbar
sez... and it didn't work.


BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

You play with your dogs by shocking and jerking and
choking and beating them with a stick.


NO. That's what you don't know nuthin abHOWET.

NO. That's AVOIDING training OPPORTUNITIES.


That's sheer idiocy. The IDEA is to briefly and variably and
NON PHYSICALLY distract and PRAISE the dog and allHOWE
him to resume his behavior and FOLLOW THE TECHNIQUE till
the undesirable behavior is E***TINGUISHED.

But you're too goddamned freakin ignorant to learn that.

Don't be talking abHOWET interrupting and distractin
behavior cause you only understand HURTIN and AVOIDING.

You're a liar and a dog abuser, Master Of Deception blankman.

THEN YOU'LL NEVER BREAK THE BEHAVIOR!!!

YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL!

You think you can avoid and intimidate dogs to train them.


BWEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Like them sheep your dog was spookin from a field away!!!

You're a blowhard.


Since when does PLAY supposed to HURT and FRIGHTEN???


What works is what you doesn't know HOWE to do, Master
Of Deception blankman. You're full of crap all abHOWET.


For E***AMPLE??? BEWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

You're full of crap.

RIGHT! That's HOWE COME you can't train a dog not
to be aggressive using ALL the "information" you know.


You mean, you can't train a dog.


You mean you can't train a dog.

Cause you don't know HOWE to TRAIN a dog.


You're a liar and a dog abuser and you can't post
here abHOWETS noMOORE.

Here's Professora Daniel and Sunshine's case history:
"Linda" <llindaleedaniel@msn.com> wrote in message news:3c317fe4.0301072210.7f7ef069@posting.google.c om...

You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.


================================

------- Message -----
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

----------------------------------


Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!

Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.

Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.

The word come has no affect on him just the phrase--Sunshine
come goodboy.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:17 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!


----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression HOWEDY Linda,


Yup. You've got to generalize the come command to make
it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to
make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated with the command.

O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and you'll have a perfect come command in a couple fif**** minute sessions.

Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and
dirt off the ground.

glance-

We also discussed that he was rather aggressive, and you
were becoming very concerned about being able to keep him.


PERFECT. Next time you'll probably not need the sound.
Just remember to vary the origin of the sound each time,
day in to day out, the sequence never breaks.


You'll tell him GOOD BOY and prepare to make the sound
and praise if he continues looking, and if that fails, you'll
ask him to come, keeping in mind the sequence of the
commands with sound and the distract/praise techniques.

You'll get used to thinking that fast in a couple more days, no problem.

Yes, it takes a bit of a knack to get it just right, but if
you fail, not to worry, you'll be able to get it right the
next time.

We don't lose points for "do overs" as long as we get the
pup under control fast and EZ. That's HOWE COME that
dependable come command is so necessary.

Yes, I recommended you may want a friend to help because of your disability.

Right. Should be about a second between requests and
the sounds on the second and fourth commands and move
off into the FPLX if that fails, and continue the technique. EZ, huh???


Yeah, I don't know if you're able, but do try to handle the
lead exactly as instructed. It'll feel uncomfortable for a
few days, but we don't want that lead tangling and
accidentally pullin on him.


Psst! If you've got fair strength in your hands, let me
do the worrying for you... O.K.?


Well, you know I told you it was the overcontrol of
the lead that triggers positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.


That ALWAYS works. All my Mrs. got to do is tell me
good boy and I'll do anything she asks. Hey? I think
I just figgered out HOWE COME she always gets
her way with me...


Any sound will suffice, even an extraneous and coincidentally
but well timed sound will work, maybe even BETTER.


WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Naaah. There's nobody that has such fast EZ safe gentle
methods. I'll be on TV soon enough with my Doggy Do Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A ****atoo Or Two
Did Too) machine.

But that's just gonna give me the floor to discuss the state
of the art of the animal behavior industry.

Would you do me a favor? If you're on the internet, I'd sure
appreciate it if you'd repost this to the groups, a lot of
people are saying terrible things about me and tellin folks
reports like yours, are FORGERIES by ME.

Thank you for being a good student.

Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM
To: Lindalee
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Dog training isn't LUCK. You'll do perfect or I'll get the
heel outta this business... Yours, Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression

Will let you know how it goes!!!--thanks for the encouragement

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:35 AM
To: Lindaleee
Subject: Re: dog aggression
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: dog aggression HOWEDY Linda,


Me too, but not with your problem. This one's EZ!

He's gonna be EZ. He's not even thinking about you when he
bites. He's just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That'll
diminish immediately through simply handling the lead
properly, gettin the control and attention through the praise
conditioning, and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts
before he gets out of control. EZ stuff.


Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember
to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You
might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in time.


In a couple days that'll cause him to come back to you.

He'll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work.

Yes, but he wasn't conscious of YOU, he's in a fury protecting you.

Excellent. You'll be able to handle him EZ like that.


That would complicate and slow things down.


In a couple days you'll have the control to stop him after he's started.


That was predictable!


At least he's consistent. That's GOOD!


Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of
dog I'd go out of my way to get for myself...

Yeah, kinda like me...


You're gonna be EZ.


He sounds like a great dog!

He'll learn the same manners when in pubic.

We'll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work.


Pssst! It's already in the bag...

Not to worry, that'll be past history in a couple days.


It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you
need any help. I've got all kinds of fast EZ solutions
for any problem you could encounter.

Everything you've tried has relied on bribes force and confrontation.


And instead of trying to force him to stay in control,
you'll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he'll
move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at
others. He'll learn FAST that you want the aggression
and he'll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he'll do
EVERY THING you ask the first time.

I'd LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today.


Right, but here again, you're relying on some degree
of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger
the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be
aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety.

Once he sees THAT, you're gonna need a shoe horn
to PRY him AWAY from you.

In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you'll
have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back
on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that'll set him off...

Good, that'll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods.


Fine. We'll forget the treats and use the click differently
for our puporses.

CONGRATULATIONS in advance...

No need to. It's already DONE.

Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our
discussions and your work with your pup, and
send it in to the news groups I participate in, it'd
be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the
same or similar situations.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

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--------Original Post-----------
From: Lindalee
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -

WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

Will try it today and post how well this system works.
We went to a dog class that I had enrolled in for
resocialization--getting him to not lunge and try to
attack every dog he sees, we were at the third class
and I forgot the Halti but he was relaxed and had no
problem with any of the seven dogs-

-in the past he would shake and after a little while
turn away from the dogs and look at the wall. Saturday
he wanted to play with the dogs--he actually pulled
toward the dogs- kinda jumped around like he use to do
before he became aggressive- when he got close to another
dog.

Teacher was impressed with him but thought it was from
her class--I didn't tell her anything different-she had
tried but it sure was not working.

Today on our walk a dog went by and he alerted but did
not move toward the dog and when I called him he actually
came with his tail wagging and forget about the dog.

I have told everyone I see about your dog training-
-all my friends and neighbors know I have been so worried
and frustrated with Sunshine's behavior-infact some would
turn around and go the other way so as not to get close to us.

If people knew how easy it could be to get a dog to come
and listen to you there would be a lot less dogs in shelters.

I know I didn't know what to do and was afraid I would have
to kill him if he bite someone even though I loved him so
much.

--- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!

HOWEDY Linda,

Your words are music to my ears, and are my
sunshine.

Thank you for being a good student. I'm available any time
you have a question or whatever.

Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.

Yours, Jerry.

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It is weird how that method seems to work. Although, it works... and that's
all that matters!

I would be interested in discussing the guide dog training methods with
you... since you said, "I've got some issues for the guide dog
trainin methods."

Also, could you please clarify your statement of, "You'll be hard pressed to
find that here abHOWETS?" I would really appreciate that. I am not familiar
with the koeher methods or anything like that... so sorry for any ignorance
on my part!

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HOWEDY Deana,


Yeah. It's SPOOKEY to have a very aggressive
dog suddenly turn to mush soon as you offer him
your hand. The Puppy Wizard uses a completely
different method as taugh in your FREE copy of
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.


INDEED. HOWEver, it is a little discomforting
facing a dog who's grHOWELIN at you and his
owner is tellin you to stick your hand HOWET
for him to sniff to make friends!!! That takes
CONFIDENCE in both the dog and handler.

Perhaps THAT is HOWE the method works.
IOW, if the stranger TRUSTS the owner and
dog enough to stick his hand HOWET like
that the dog KNOWS the stranger isn't likely
to be a BAD PERSON or he wouldn't TRUST
them enough to make that introduction.

There was a Chimpanze I knew who'd take
your hand and shake it and act playful for a
moment on first meeting him, but he'd pull
your hand hard and fast and put it in his
mHOWETH. If you FLINCHED and pulled
back, that told him you was AFRAID and
NOT TRUSTING of him and therefore not
trustworthy, so he'd BITE you, BIG TIME!

But if you gave in to him and let him take
your hand, he'd kiss it and play tickle me.
Then he'd bum a smoke off you.


INDEEDY. We can change any consistent,
predictable behaviors nearly instantly.

I didn't have time the other nite to go into it. The
Puppy Wizard has proven force / click treat methods
are inappupriate and ineffective.

Traditional trainin involving bribes and compulsion
are used by even the best schools. That's HOWE
COME they have failures and require several times
the amount of training that it reasonably should take
using effective non force, non physical, reward in
advance methods.

The guide dog schools require the dog go into
a HOWES for WON year socializing pryor to
commencing training and finishing his training
at abHOWET 18 months of age. As good as
they are, the foster care family may mishandle
them.

The Puppy Wizard trains protection dogs to
be working by six months of age. Certainly the
guide schools could have their dogs proficeient
by 8 months of age and workin.

In your sig, you said "love." HOWER dog lovers here
abHOWETS hurt their dogs and try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.

HOWER forums have a very long history of lying
and twisting words and meanings to defend hurting
dogs to train them. Most of HOWER regular posters
are devHOWET koehler trainers, although they'll
DENY it when questioned, even knowing their posting
histories are indellibly archived forever and their
DENIALS will be FHOWEND to be LIES. Well, THAT
DEFINES PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Doesn't it, Deana.


Things are not as they seem. We're dealing with
genuine active incurable MENTAL PATIENTS and dog abusers.
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7 15th April 15:57
the puppy wizard
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Posts: 1
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HOWEDY house"o"dogs,

You mean the dog abusers who are afraid to
post their methdos to the forum cause you're
AFRAID of getting EMBARRASSED HURTIN DOGS, dog lover?


You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE, dog lover.


Tell us HOWE you're gonna introduce
a fearful dog to HOWEsguests?


Cause you never see their posts cause you
got "THEM" in your killfile.


You're a dog abuser and a mental case.

Take off your shoes and socks and see if
you can cHOWENT HOWE many LIES
are in the following QUOTES:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's YOU,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
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news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


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You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
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8 15th April 15:57
deana hall
External User
 
Posts: 1
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Our Shepherd was not aggressive. She was rather sweet and kind. Her
wonderful temperment is one of the reasons why I know she will make a
wonderful pet for the family that she is ultimately placed with. The only
time she WAS aggresive was when someone was aggressive to her... something I
never experienced first hand, thankfully.

We never introduced her to someone that we did not know. We also waited to
introduce her to the bulk of people until she had some basic obedience
courses.

I hope you don't think I am one of those who "abuse" or are evil to their
dog(s). If for any reason you believe this... please let me know. I hope I
am not comming across as such.

Love,
Deana
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9 15th April 15:57
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default How Should We Introduce People to Our GSD?


HOWEDY Deana,

Not at all! I'm SHORE you raised a very well
adjusted dog. I'm referring to other's amongst us...


Miracle -

us.

shelters.


have

Miracle -
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10 15th April 15:58
the puppy wizard
External User
 
Posts: 1
Default How Should We Introduce People to Our GSD?


HOWEYD matty,


You mean like the kind the liars dog abusers
and MENTAL CASES you enjoy posting with
rely on to learn HOWE to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs, matty?

Here's you and your pals HURTIN dogs and lyin abHOWET IT:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's YOU,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

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