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HOWEDY dallygirl,

Right. But that could vary from pryor to day WON till a couple
days after day twenty WON <{) ; ~ ) >


Right. That's HOWE COME we TRAIN dogs not to engage in indiscriminate ***.

That's curiHOWES ain't it. So much for your MANAGEMENT, eh dallygirl?

Almost always precisely 63 days.


INDEED you would. Perhaps you shoulda got your neighbor's
dog surgically ***ually mutilated pryor to copulating with your
own unsupervised bitch in heat, eh dallygirl?

Surgical ***ual mutilation is inapupriate unnecessary veterinary
malpractice and makes dogs fear aggressive, dallygirl.


You mean, like HOWE it did with your own mishandled dog, dallygirl?


That's sheer idiocy.

There AIN'T no need not to walk her, dallygirl.


Surgical ***ual mutilation is RISKY.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard got three unspayed bitches
and none of them have been ****d by neighbor's dogs.


Oh? That's uriHOWES. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
bitches all become incredibly FRIENDLY. Perhaps your
dog becomes BITCHY on accHOWENT of you mishandle
her, dallygirl, kinda like HOWE you done when she GOT
****D by your neighbor's dog, you freakin ignoramus.


THAT'S on accHOWENT of SHE FEARS YOU on accHOWENT
of you're a dog abusing mental case who couldn't PROTECT
her from bein ****d by a dog ten times her size, you freakin
DHOWEBLE talkin blowhard.

INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of you're a INCOMPETENT BLOWHARD.


BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

scott

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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,


You mean from ecstasy, Master Of Deception blankman?


Yeah. But not ordinarily during copulation, Master Of Deception
blankman <{); ~ ) >

CITES PLEASE, Master Of Deception blankman?

There IS risk of the female gettin torn and infected
but there's amost NO risk for the male, other than PAIN.


THAT'S ABSURD, Master Of Deceptin blankman. She's got
a MALE Pug who couldn't be more than six inches at the
shoulder and a FEMALE Rottie. It'd be HUGELY unlikely
he could even make the connection unless she was layin
on her back and if she stood up his ONLY RISK might be
breakin his damned fool neck fallin off.

She could TRAIN her dogs not to molest each other.


That could happen any time from pryor to day WON
till a couple days after day twenty WON <{); ~ ) >

Oh? Are you promoting boarding kennels these days,
Master Of Deception blankman?

You mean supervise them when they're together and separate
them when she's not able to observe them dilligently, Master Of Deception blankman?

Yeah. They're friendlier.


Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of they've been MISHANDLED.


You mean like dallygirl's little shih tzu who was ****d by
her neighbor's German Shepherd, Master Of Deception blankman?


Although that COULD happen the risk would be greater
of bein attacked by a horney Coyote, not a domestic puppy dog.

Yeah, but you're a lyin dog abusing mental case. REMEMBER?

Right. There's also chloriphyll type STUFF which may
or may not heelp prevent attracting suitors.


RIGHT. We'll leave THAT up to you, Master Of Deception blankman.


Yeah. It makes them MOTHERLY.


THAT AIN'T GOT NUTHIN to do with bein in heat, Master Of
Decpetion blankman, THAT'S got to do with bein ABUSED.


Other than bein more FRIENDLY The Amazing Puppy Wizard has never
noticed
any such CHANGES in personality durin heat, Master Of Deception blankman.

What does not knowin the AGE of the dog got to do with
not bein surgically ***ually mutilated, Master Of Deception blankman?

You mean there's lots of all kinds of dogs gettin MURDERED
by dog lovers like you and your punk thug coward mental case
pals who jerk choke shock surgically mutilate and MURDER them
and call it SHELTER and RESCUE, Master Of Deception blankman.


Other than the VERY REAL RISK of pyometra following heat surgical
***ual mutilation is unnecessary inapupriate veterinary malpractice.

"Remember though , it is perhaps best not to look on any big dog,
like the Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Mastiff and any other large
dog, as a pet. A pet is something like a hamster, gerbil or a parrot.
You would never look upon a Pit-Bull as a pet, as this animal does
not act or respond the same as a hamster does.

Many would not agree with this opinion, but if you keep this sentiment
in mind you will have the right attitude in keeping any large dog under

correct control. A dog like an Alsatian or Rottweiler is and wants to
be a working dog. He will not respond to a relationship where he is
just a pet. "

"A big dog cannot be whipped into easy submission, it will only truly
react to love and care and proper firm, assertive handling, by a
member of its 'pack' . The Alpha - You!"

Throughout your dog's life its behavior will depend on how you:

'Pet and / or Praise' AND 'Scold'. SCOLD & PRAISE

He will soon learn what he is supposed to do and not supposed to
do by using the two above. Praise for as long as you like, not
though, when the dog likes. A dog might often come up to you and
'beg' for attention, by all means pet and praise your dog but do
it when you want not when the dog begs.

Scold when it is only necessary and never for too long. I have
never been an ignorer. Some owners will ignore instead of scolding,
never ignore a 'misdemeanor'. If your dog ever does, at any age,
anything that you reasonably believe to be wrong, scold the dog
making it known that you are the boss."

But make it swift. As soon as your dog looks as though it is going
to do something, that you do not reasonably think is correct, stop
it and talk to it. Watch out for its body language, in case you
get bitten. Put your dog in the right frame of mind from the very
beginning, from when its a puppy, and you will have a better chance
of an easy life. Do not put up with any thing negative, rectify the
situation at once."

"The bedroom, is a personal place, and if your dog gets too
comfortable,
especially if you let the dog sleep with you, it will be harder to
control.
If the dog is a small poodle, this might not matter but try to remove a
180
pound dog who thinks that you are trying to take over its bed." THAT'S INSANE.


And that CRAP LINK is a bunch of hysterical spay / neuter Nazis.

Spaying for non medical reasons is RISKY UNNECESSARY MUTILATION.

Oh? You mena the ISSUES of the shelter / rescue RACKET???


You mean your ETHICKAL breeder pals, Master Of Decpetion blankman?


You mean like MOST of your pals here?


There AIN'T a dog pupulation problem Master Of Deception
blankman, there's a DOG ABUSE problem which you and your
punk thug coward mental case pals CREATED.


NOT as long as you and your pals are runnin loose:


Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster Care Givers Weekend!

De Plane! De Plane Boss! De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh shadddup Tatoo you skeevy little hype. That damned
puddle jumper SHOWES up here abHOWETS EVERY weekend. You
can HEAR if from MILES away carrying HOWER auspiciHOWES
guests and a WEE BIT OF MONEY for HOWER coffers.

Fortunately this weekend's visitors are FLUSH with OTHER
PEOPLE'S hard earned dough so it'll be EZ to fleece them
DHOWEN like spring lambs <{); ~ ) >.

De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh Tatoo, PLEASE, you're giving Mr. Roarke a freakin
headache. Chill HOWET you wretched little cuss or we
may have to do some OBEDIENCE DRILLS with you.

O.K. Boss, I'm SORRY I'm SORRY I'm SORRY Boss. Honest.
HOWE abHOWET I go get some refreshements for HOWER guests?

No Tattoo. These are SPECIAL guests, they're HOWER RESCUE
and SHELTER SAVIOURS. They have SPECIAL needs requiring
individual condiditions, shall we say, SACRIFICES, to make.

This is going to be a VERY SPECIAL weekend, Tatoo.

Have you finished preparing quarters for HOWER guests
Tatoo? They'll be VERY SLEEPY from their medications
when they arrive and will no DHOWET be looking forward
to some rest in their rooms.

Si, Boss. Si. I've had special boxes tailor made to fit
each individual as you sez according to their measurements.
Boss? Boss? Are you SHORE they LIKE sleeping in little boxes?

But of CURSE, Tattoo. You'll NOTICE they NEVER MESS in them.
They ONLY tend to their own personal needs while walking on
leash or in the group play pen dragging their leashes behind
them in case they need some corrections. You'll see, Tattoo.
Very special guests, you'll see... you'll see.

Boss! Boss! Here they come! Here they come! Here they come!

Oh STUFF IT Tattoo. Go grab a leash and pronged spiked
pinch choke collar and COME WITH ME, I'll need you in
case any of them become DOMINANT and try to hurt each other.

Better go back and grab that shock collar as well, Tattoo,
can't take too many chances when 'LIVES DEPEND ON US to SAVE
THEM', eh Tattoo?

But Boss! Boss! Do you REALLY THINK locking them in
small boxes and jerking choking and shocking them is
gonna SAVE THEIR LIVES?

Nooo, Tattoo. It'll teach them to RESPECT HOWER AUTHORITY.

WE will SAVE THE LIVES, Tattoo... just you and Mr. Roarke.

TRUST ME, Tattoo. This is gonna be a VERY SPECIAL weekend
for HOWER Shelter and Rescue Dog Lovers, Tattoo <{); ~ ) >

But Boss? Boss? Boss?

NHOWE WHAT, Tattoo?

You sez these are DOG people? Yet they HAVE NO DOGS
with them? Are they coming on a second plane, Boss?
The Plane! The Plane! The Plane, Boss! The Plane!

No Tattoo, that's the puddle jumper LEAVIN. HOWER
guests have made arrangements for their dogs to
be kept in city P-HOWENDS where they've only got
72 HOWERS to live, GUARANTEEING HOWER guests will
FINISH their Fantasies in a timely manner. O.K.
Tattoo, we've got to take care of HOWER guests,
machnell, machsnell Tattoo.

O.K. O.K. Boss. O.K. O.K.

WELCOME To Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster
Care Givers Weekend! I'm your host Mr. Roarke,
and this is my erstwhile assistant Tattoo. DON'T
LOOK AT HIM, he's VERY SENSITIVE.

But Boss? Boss? I'm NOT sensitive. People ALWAYS
look at me, I LIKE that, Boss. People are NICE.

Shhhh, Tattoo. This is a VERY SPECIAL weekend.
Just do as I've instructed you PLEASE or you'll
BLOW IT and they'll LEAVE us and take their OTHER
PEOPLE'S money with them.

Ohhhh, I see, a SCAM, eh Boss? It's abHOWET time!

What shall I do?

Tattoo? You see that big stupid lookin WON over
there wearing the sneer on her face? THAT'S Master
Of Decepton blankman, WON of the ringleaders. Let's
take her first, but BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's slippery
and dangerHOWES despite that off puttin stupid ignorant
look she's wearing under that sneer. Better go back and
grab that rabies pole, this might be MOORE difficult
than Mr. Roarke thought, just judging by her catatonic
stare right through you despite she was asked not to look.

But Boss? I DON'T MIND her LOOKING!

SHADDDUP Tattoo! We're TRYING to TRAIN them! Just PLAY
ALONG so we can SET HER UP for a CORRECTION. Quick Tattoo,
gimme that shock collar FAST. NHOWE slowly walk arHOWEND
and as she stares at you I'll be able to sneak up behind
her and strap this on her.

Oh? You want the strap on, Boss?

NO Tattoo, THAT'S for malinda. I'm talking abHOWET
strappin on this shock collar while you DISTRACT
her... the SHOCK will be her REWARD for NOT LOOKIN
at you someMOORE. QUICK! Make your move NHOWE, Tattoo!

Boss? Can I have the rabies pole, she looks like a MEAN WON.

Yes Tattoo, it's a familiar tool to her, she'll RESPECT
you for THAT. Go for it, Tattoo, but HURRY PLEASE! HURRY!

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

BARK! ZAP! SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM...
ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM

Date: 2002-08-30 04:24:13 PST
"Susan Fraser" <chinch...@aol.comdog wrote in message news: 20020208201202.29997.00000402@mb-md.aol.com...

You're full of crap, susan.

"JC" <J...@nowhere.org wrote in messagenews:
cUr17.3891$bs2.550009@news20.bellglobal.com...

A friend of mine told this story about his
experience with a shock-collar:

Jim's sister-in-law had a shock collar she wanted to use
on her dog stop it from barking.

Not being very technical, she brought it over for Jim to
assemble and adjust.

Jim got it all put together and decided to try it on
himself to see which setting would be most appropriate.

With the collar around his neck, set on minimum, Jim tried
a little bark... woof.

Nothing.... Woof Woof. Nothing....

Bark. Nothing....

Bark Bark.

Nothing...

BARK!

ZAP!

The collar worked!

Unfortunately, the zap was painful enough to make Jim scream
with pain, which the collar interpreted as another bark, which
lead to another ZAP!

Which made Jim scream again...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

Eventually, Jim got the collar off but it never
survived the chance to end up on the dog.

(Names have been changed to protect the stupid) : )

-----------------------

GOOD BOY, Tattoo! O.K., NHOWE INTO the box with her.

But BOSS! BOSS!

BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's been known to escape. Soon
as we get the rest of these Bozo's into their boxes
we'll be able to EAT and have some FUN till it's time
to take them all HOWET for a break and some obedience
drills. You might think this is all abHOWET dominance,
but I can assure you Tatto, IT'S NOT. Don't infer from
that description that force is an intrinsic part of it,
though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.
"Lynn K." <java...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om...

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it Date: 1999/05/21

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he
suddenly decides that he can release himself from
a down/stay after being solid at it for 5 months,
and turns it into a catch-me game, a sharp downward
collar correction as you put him back into position
is a "come to Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that force is an
intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

Lynn K

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20 ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:


Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft Every Day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned.

But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every
other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

---------------------

"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged by the way
its animals are treated." ~ Mohandas
Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs...
and GETS THEM DEAD.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

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HOWEDY dallygirl,

Right. But that could vary from pryor to day WON till a couple
days after day twenty WON <{) ; ~ ) >


Right. That's HOWE COME we TRAIN dogs not to engage in indiscriminate ***.

That's curiHOWES ain't it. So much for your MANAGEMENT, eh dallygirl?

Almost always precisely 63 days.


INDEED you would. Perhaps you shoulda got your neighbor's
dog surgically ***ually mutilated pryor to copulating with your
own unsupervised bitch in heat, eh dallygirl?

Surgical ***ual mutilation is inapupriate unnecessary veterinary
malpractice and makes dogs fear aggressive, dallygirl.


You mean, like HOWE it did with your own mishandled dog, dallygirl?


That's sheer idiocy.

There AIN'T no need not to walk her, dallygirl.


Surgical ***ual mutilation is RISKY.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard got three unspayed bitches
and none of them have been ****d by neighbor's dogs.


Oh? That's uriHOWES. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
bitches all become incredibly FRIENDLY. Perhaps your
dog becomes BITCHY on accHOWENT of you mishandle
her, dallygirl, kinda like HOWE you done when she GOT
****D by your neighbor's dog, you freakin ignoramus.


THAT'S on accHOWENT of SHE FEARS YOU on accHOWENT
of you're a dog abusing mental case who couldn't PROTECT
her from bein ****d by a dog ten times her size, you freakin
DHOWEBLE talkin blowhard.

INDEEDY. On accHOWENT of you're a INCOMPETENT BLOWHARD.


BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >

scott

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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,


You mean from ecstasy, Master Of Deception blankman?


Yeah. But not ordinarily during copulation, Master Of Deception
blankman <{); ~ ) >

CITES PLEASE, Master Of Deception blankman?

There IS risk of the female gettin torn and infected
but there's amost NO risk for the male, other than PAIN.


THAT'S ABSURD, Master Of Deceptin blankman. She's got
a MALE Pug who couldn't be more than six inches at the
shoulder and a FEMALE Rottie. It'd be HUGELY unlikely
he could even make the connection unless she was layin
on her back and if she stood up his ONLY RISK might be
breakin his damned fool neck fallin off.

She could TRAIN her dogs not to molest each other.


That could happen any time from pryor to day WON
till a couple days after day twenty WON <{); ~ ) >

Oh? Are you promoting boarding kennels these days,
Master Of Deception blankman?

You mean supervise them when they're together and separate
them when she's not able to observe them dilligently, Master Of Deception blankman?

Yeah. They're friendlier.


Perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of they've been MISHANDLED.


You mean like dallygirl's little shih tzu who was ****d by
her neighbor's German Shepherd, Master Of Deception blankman?


Although that COULD happen the risk would be greater
of bein attacked by a horney Coyote, not a domestic puppy dog.

Yeah, but you're a lyin dog abusing mental case. REMEMBER?

Right. There's also chloriphyll type STUFF which may
or may not heelp prevent attracting suitors.


RIGHT. We'll leave THAT up to you, Master Of Deception blankman.


Yeah. It makes them MOTHERLY.


THAT AIN'T GOT NUTHIN to do with bein in heat, Master Of
Decpetion blankman, THAT'S got to do with bein ABUSED.


Other than bein more FRIENDLY The Amazing Puppy Wizard has never
noticed
any such CHANGES in personality durin heat, Master Of Deception blankman.

What does not knowin the AGE of the dog got to do with
not bein surgically ***ually mutilated, Master Of Deception blankman?

You mean there's lots of all kinds of dogs gettin MURDERED
by dog lovers like you and your punk thug coward mental case
pals who jerk choke shock surgically mutilate and MURDER them
and call it SHELTER and RESCUE, Master Of Deception blankman.


Other than the VERY REAL RISK of pyometra following heat surgical
***ual mutilation is unnecessary inapupriate veterinary malpractice.

"Remember though , it is perhaps best not to look on any big dog,
like the Rottweiler, German Shepherd, Mastiff and any other large
dog, as a pet. A pet is something like a hamster, gerbil or a parrot.
You would never look upon a Pit-Bull as a pet, as this animal does
not act or respond the same as a hamster does.

Many would not agree with this opinion, but if you keep this sentiment
in mind you will have the right attitude in keeping any large dog under

correct control. A dog like an Alsatian or Rottweiler is and wants to
be a working dog. He will not respond to a relationship where he is
just a pet. "

"A big dog cannot be whipped into easy submission, it will only truly
react to love and care and proper firm, assertive handling, by a
member of its 'pack' . The Alpha - You!"

Throughout your dog's life its behavior will depend on how you:

'Pet and / or Praise' AND 'Scold'. SCOLD & PRAISE

He will soon learn what he is supposed to do and not supposed to
do by using the two above. Praise for as long as you like, not
though, when the dog likes. A dog might often come up to you and
'beg' for attention, by all means pet and praise your dog but do
it when you want not when the dog begs.

Scold when it is only necessary and never for too long. I have
never been an ignorer. Some owners will ignore instead of scolding,
never ignore a 'misdemeanor'. If your dog ever does, at any age,
anything that you reasonably believe to be wrong, scold the dog
making it known that you are the boss."

But make it swift. As soon as your dog looks as though it is going
to do something, that you do not reasonably think is correct, stop
it and talk to it. Watch out for its body language, in case you
get bitten. Put your dog in the right frame of mind from the very
beginning, from when its a puppy, and you will have a better chance
of an easy life. Do not put up with any thing negative, rectify the
situation at once."

"The bedroom, is a personal place, and if your dog gets too
comfortable,
especially if you let the dog sleep with you, it will be harder to
control.
If the dog is a small poodle, this might not matter but try to remove a
180
pound dog who thinks that you are trying to take over its bed." THAT'S INSANE.


And that CRAP LINK is a bunch of hysterical spay / neuter Nazis.

Spaying for non medical reasons is RISKY UNNECESSARY MUTILATION.

Oh? You mena the ISSUES of the shelter / rescue RACKET???


You mean your ETHICKAL breeder pals, Master Of Decpetion blankman?


You mean like MOST of your pals here?


There AIN'T a dog pupulation problem Master Of Deception
blankman, there's a DOG ABUSE problem which you and your
punk thug coward mental case pals CREATED.


NOT as long as you and your pals are runnin loose:


Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster Care Givers Weekend!

De Plane! De Plane Boss! De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh shadddup Tatoo you skeevy little hype. That damned
puddle jumper SHOWES up here abHOWETS EVERY weekend. You
can HEAR if from MILES away carrying HOWER auspiciHOWES
guests and a WEE BIT OF MONEY for HOWER coffers.

Fortunately this weekend's visitors are FLUSH with OTHER
PEOPLE'S hard earned dough so it'll be EZ to fleece them
DHOWEN like spring lambs <{); ~ ) >.

De Plane Boss! De Plane! De Plane!

Oh Tatoo, PLEASE, you're giving Mr. Roarke a freakin
headache. Chill HOWET you wretched little cuss or we
may have to do some OBEDIENCE DRILLS with you.

O.K. Boss, I'm SORRY I'm SORRY I'm SORRY Boss. Honest.
HOWE abHOWET I go get some refreshements for HOWER guests?

No Tattoo. These are SPECIAL guests, they're HOWER RESCUE
and SHELTER SAVIOURS. They have SPECIAL needs requiring
individual condiditions, shall we say, SACRIFICES, to make.

This is going to be a VERY SPECIAL weekend, Tatoo.

Have you finished preparing quarters for HOWER guests
Tatoo? They'll be VERY SLEEPY from their medications
when they arrive and will no DHOWET be looking forward
to some rest in their rooms.

Si, Boss. Si. I've had special boxes tailor made to fit
each individual as you sez according to their measurements.
Boss? Boss? Are you SHORE they LIKE sleeping in little boxes?

But of CURSE, Tattoo. You'll NOTICE they NEVER MESS in them.
They ONLY tend to their own personal needs while walking on
leash or in the group play pen dragging their leashes behind
them in case they need some corrections. You'll see, Tattoo.
Very special guests, you'll see... you'll see.

Boss! Boss! Here they come! Here they come! Here they come!

Oh STUFF IT Tattoo. Go grab a leash and pronged spiked
pinch choke collar and COME WITH ME, I'll need you in
case any of them become DOMINANT and try to hurt each other.

Better go back and grab that shock collar as well, Tattoo,
can't take too many chances when 'LIVES DEPEND ON US to SAVE
THEM', eh Tattoo?

But Boss! Boss! Do you REALLY THINK locking them in
small boxes and jerking choking and shocking them is
gonna SAVE THEIR LIVES?

Nooo, Tattoo. It'll teach them to RESPECT HOWER AUTHORITY.

WE will SAVE THE LIVES, Tattoo... just you and Mr. Roarke.

TRUST ME, Tattoo. This is gonna be a VERY SPECIAL weekend
for HOWER Shelter and Rescue Dog Lovers, Tattoo <{); ~ ) >

But Boss? Boss? Boss?

NHOWE WHAT, Tattoo?

You sez these are DOG people? Yet they HAVE NO DOGS
with them? Are they coming on a second plane, Boss?
The Plane! The Plane! The Plane, Boss! The Plane!

No Tattoo, that's the puddle jumper LEAVIN. HOWER
guests have made arrangements for their dogs to
be kept in city P-HOWENDS where they've only got
72 HOWERS to live, GUARANTEEING HOWER guests will
FINISH their Fantasies in a timely manner. O.K.
Tattoo, we've got to take care of HOWER guests,
machnell, machsnell Tattoo.

O.K. O.K. Boss. O.K. O.K.

WELCOME To Fantasy Island Shelter Rescue Foster
Care Givers Weekend! I'm your host Mr. Roarke,
and this is my erstwhile assistant Tattoo. DON'T
LOOK AT HIM, he's VERY SENSITIVE.

But Boss? Boss? I'm NOT sensitive. People ALWAYS
look at me, I LIKE that, Boss. People are NICE.

Shhhh, Tattoo. This is a VERY SPECIAL weekend.
Just do as I've instructed you PLEASE or you'll
BLOW IT and they'll LEAVE us and take their OTHER
PEOPLE'S money with them.

Ohhhh, I see, a SCAM, eh Boss? It's abHOWET time!

What shall I do?

Tattoo? You see that big stupid lookin WON over
there wearing the sneer on her face? THAT'S Master
Of Decepton blankman, WON of the ringleaders. Let's
take her first, but BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's slippery
and dangerHOWES despite that off puttin stupid ignorant
look she's wearing under that sneer. Better go back and
grab that rabies pole, this might be MOORE difficult
than Mr. Roarke thought, just judging by her catatonic
stare right through you despite she was asked not to look.

But Boss? I DON'T MIND her LOOKING!

SHADDDUP Tattoo! We're TRYING to TRAIN them! Just PLAY
ALONG so we can SET HER UP for a CORRECTION. Quick Tattoo,
gimme that shock collar FAST. NHOWE slowly walk arHOWEND
and as she stares at you I'll be able to sneak up behind
her and strap this on her.

Oh? You want the strap on, Boss?

NO Tattoo, THAT'S for malinda. I'm talking abHOWET
strappin on this shock collar while you DISTRACT
her... the SHOCK will be her REWARD for NOT LOOKIN
at you someMOORE. QUICK! Make your move NHOWE, Tattoo!

Boss? Can I have the rabies pole, she looks like a MEAN WON.

Yes Tattoo, it's a familiar tool to her, she'll RESPECT
you for THAT. Go for it, Tattoo, but HURRY PLEASE! HURRY!

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

BARK! ZAP! SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM...
ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP... SCREAM... ZAP ... SCREAM

Date: 2002-08-30 04:24:13 PST
"Susan Fraser" <chinch...@aol.comdog wrote in message news: 20020208201202.29997.00000402@mb-md.aol.com...

You're full of crap, susan.

"JC" <J...@nowhere.org wrote in messagenews:
cUr17.3891$bs2.550009@news20.bellglobal.com...

A friend of mine told this story about his
experience with a shock-collar:

Jim's sister-in-law had a shock collar she wanted to use
on her dog stop it from barking.

Not being very technical, she brought it over for Jim to
assemble and adjust.

Jim got it all put together and decided to try it on
himself to see which setting would be most appropriate.

With the collar around his neck, set on minimum, Jim tried
a little bark... woof.

Nothing.... Woof Woof. Nothing....

Bark. Nothing....

Bark Bark.

Nothing...

BARK!

ZAP!

The collar worked!

Unfortunately, the zap was painful enough to make Jim scream
with pain, which the collar interpreted as another bark, which
lead to another ZAP!

Which made Jim scream again...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

ZAP...

SCREAM...

Eventually, Jim got the collar off but it never
survived the chance to end up on the dog.

(Names have been changed to protect the stupid) : )

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GOOD BOY, Tattoo! O.K., NHOWE INTO the box with her.

But BOSS! BOSS!

BE CAREFUL Tattoo, she's been known to escape. Soon
as we get the rest of these Bozo's into their boxes
we'll be able to EAT and have some FUN till it's time
to take them all HOWET for a break and some obedience
drills. You might think this is all abHOWET dominance,
but I can assure you Tatto, IT'S NOT. Don't infer from
that description that force is an intrinsic part of it,
though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.

It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.
"Lynn K." <java...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om...

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it Date: 1999/05/21

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he
suddenly decides that he can release himself from
a down/stay after being solid at it for 5 months,
and turns it into a catch-me game, a sharp downward
collar correction as you put him back into position
is a "come to Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that force is an
intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't.

I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

Lynn K

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20 ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:


Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft Every Day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more,
while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned.

But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every
other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

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"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
Agamemnon.

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged by the way
its animals are treated." ~ Mohandas
Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

Force training JERRYIZES dogs...
and GETS THEM DEAD.

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls
their hearts and minds
will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

the amazing puppy wizard <{\) ; - \) >

HOWEDY scott,

You can't even train your own dog not to attack trees or walk on leash
or not attack you: http://makeashorterlink.com/?B25132C3C