steve crane

Paws - there you go again. Please provide us with any do***ented
evidence that your contention is correct. Bear in mind there are
literally hundreds of peer reviewed published clinical trials on
satiety in dogs. Not one of which suggests your theory is correct. But
I will suspend judgment while you provide us with the facts to back up
your claims. Here's a few to get you started.


Borne AT, Wolfsheimer KJ, Truett AA, et al. Differential metabolic
effects of energy restriction in dogs using diets varying in fat and
fiber content. Obesity Res 1996; 4: 337-345.

Jewell DE, Toll PW. Effects of fiber on food intake in dogs. Vet Clin
Nutr 1996; 3: 115-118.

Jackson JR, Laflamme DP, Keltner G. Effects of dietary fiber content on
satiety in dogs. Vet Clin Nutr 1997; 4: 130-134.

Hannah SS, Laflamme DP. Increased dietary protein spares lean body mass
during weight loss in dogs (abstract). J Vet Intern Med 1998; 12: 224.

Jewell DE, Toll PW, Novotny BJ. Satiety reduces adiposity in dogs. Vet
The****utics 2000; 1: 17-23.


And a couple abstracts so you don't have to try finding them.

Jewell DE, Toll PW. Effects of fiber on food intake in dogs. Vet Clin
Nutr 1996; 3: 115-118.
Synopsis: The objective of this study was to evaluate if dietary fiber
can influence food consumption and food-seeking activities, and
therefore, energy intake in dogs. In a two-phase study, investigators
randomly assigned 30 beagle dogs to one of two groups. In the first
phase, one group was offered a 45-minute meal consisting of a low-fiber
commercial dog food (<2% dry matter crude fiber) and the other group a
medium-fiber commercial dog food (12% dry matter crude fiber). After
14 days the groups were fed the opposite food for two more weeks. A
second 45-minute meal (called an intruded meal) was offered on Days 7,
14, 21 and 28. The same crossover design was used in Phase 2; however,
two different foods were fed. The first commercial dog food contained
low fiber (<2% dry matter crude fiber); the second commercial dog food
contained high-fiber levels (21% dry matter crude fiber). Dogs fed the
medium (12% crude fiber, Phase 1) and high-fiber (21% crude fiber,
Phase 2) commercial foods consumed less energy in their daily meals and
in the intruded meals. Dogs in the high fiber group also consumed less
dry matter during the intruded meal.
Clinical relevance: Increasing fiber in canine foods decreases
voluntary food intake, a measure of satiety. Commercial foods
containing 12 to 21% crude fiber on a dry matter basis increase satiety
and voluntary reduction of energy consumption, compared to commercial
foods containing less than 2% crude fiber.

Jewell DE, Toll PW, Novotny BJ. Satiety reduces adiposity in dogs. Vet
The****utics 2000; 1: 17-23.
Synopsis: Twelve beagle dogs were fed either a low-fiber (Eukanuba
Veterinary Diets Restricted-Calorie/Canine) or a high-fiber
(Prescription Diet Canine r/d) dry food that had previously been
shown to cause a difference in satiety. After 3 weeks the groups were
fed the opposite food. Dogs were fed all they would voluntarily consume
during one 45-minute meal per day. Each dog served as its own control.
Although dogs consumed approximately equal amounts of food on a weight
basis, they voluntarily ate significantly fewer calories (27% less)
when fed the high-fiber food. Dogs lost four times as much fat mass
when fed the high-fiber food versus when fed the low-fiber food.
Clinical relevance: Foods enhanced with fiber increase satiety and
reduce adiposity in dogs.

Borne AT, Wolfsheimer KJ, Truett AA, et al. Differential metabolic
effects of energy restriction in dogs using diets varying in fat and
fiber content. Obesity Res 1996; 4: 337-345.
Synopsis: The role of dietary fat and fiber in energy restriction for
the management of obesity was examined. Twelve male castrated dogs were
energy restricted for 7 weeks by feeding 60% of their calculated
maintenance energy requirements for ideal body weight. Six dogs were
restricted on a high-fat (35.4% fat calories), low-fiber (2.9% dry
matter) food, while the other six dogs were restricted on a low-fat
(24.5% fat calories), high-fiber (27% dry matter) food. Compared with
the high-fat, low-fiber food, energy restriction on the low-fat,
high-fiber food resulted in significantly greater decreases in body fat
and total serum cholesterol concentrations. Reductions in body weight
and mean arterial blood pressure were also greater on the low-fat food;
however, these food effects did not reach statistical significance.
Clinical relevance: Fat and fiber content of the food during energy
restriction and weight loss are important factors in management of
obesity. Canine r/d is an appropriate low-fat, high-fiber food for
management of obesity.