the puppy wizard

And your own dog, of curse. Or you wouldn't
NEED to HURT her. Your dog Cubbe attacked
your ONLY friend and tried to attack them two
kids for standing in her SHOCK ZONE. She
bit the vet and your simpleton boyfriend holding
her DHOWEN, and escapes your shock fence
at will. You jerk and choke her on your pronged
spiked pinch choke collar, for which she's TURNED
ON YOU and NHOWE you say you're a CLICKEROO!


BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shetrusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"
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"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S an OCD, like the head shake Cubbe is
developing. His owner CAUSED IT by MISHANDLING
and ABUSING his dog according to the BEST
advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
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An INSENSITIVE DOG???


Here is a video from Fred which I have a few concerns
about (and maybe Fred can weigh in if he sees fit), THE
SAME "FRED" that johnny would invite to heelp his
shelter dogs learn RESPECT.

This is a video about Nero being taught to get on
a skateboard.

http://www.studioonline.com/playvide...E284B9ABDFCE0F

or http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.

If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.

Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh
Even your PALS the "DOG LOVERS" on the
abuse groups were HOWEtraged by those stunts.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good
of its victims, may be the most oppressive. Those
who torment us for our own good will torment us
without end, for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis.

"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon.

"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he
enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by
wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who
perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then? The love and
hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise
from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct
the path." Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with
permission from His FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual.

Force training JERRYIZES dogs, and GETS THEM DEAD.


Here's Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor's dog
and previHOWEsly attacking liea's only friend
and assaulting a couple kids and escaping her
surrHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM, which MADE
HER AGGRESSIVE:

"It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
Out In The Neighborhood Leashless:

Julia F N Altshuler (d000634c@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST

Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were
when we first got her before she'd had any training
and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the
physical one.

It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted.

For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we
tried to catch her.

Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday
morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't
quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she
was preoccupied with her head down a hole.

For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in the
neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash.
She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions.

She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats
for those recalls. She gets
plenty of time to run free in the backyard.

Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them. I haven't been as good about
introducing the variable reinforcement there, but
I have been good about making sure that she's
never tricked into coming into the house when
she'd rather be outside. I always call her, give
her a treat or praise and let her go again.

So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't
think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about
to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes,
and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I
am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now.

Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice
backyard time. I'd gotten her into the house and
was preparing to leave when she escaped straight through the front
door and right in front of our noses.

She was still wearing the zap collar, but the
battery was low. She gave a small yip when
she went over the wire, and the chase ensued.

We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.

Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collarnow
with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to come in
when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I could tell
that she fully expected to be let out the front door again so she
could have another fun romp in the neighborhood.

I'm so filled with anxiety from yesterday's
escapade that I keep checking for her every
time I open the door.

Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.

My specific questions:

How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?

She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in the
backyard because the wire goes around the house and
could zap her when she's near certain windows inside.

If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar,
can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front
door with her leash on?

I don't want her to become afraid of the front door.

What's the best emergency procedure if, god
forbid, it should happen again?

Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this I
mean, I've been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because she so
obviously freaked when we
used leash corrections and scoldings when we first
got her.

I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state
my opinion once and won't defend it further: any
method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for
Cubbe at the beginning, but we've come a long
way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?

Last night we had friends over for dinner with their
3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved
Cubbe and were having a blast clicker training her.
I was impressed with how quickly they caught on
and how little correction they needed to be consistent
with the clicks and treats.

Cubbe was fine with the children; she always
has been. Just as they were getting ready to
go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug.

Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined
because she gave a snarl-snap.

I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled,
turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her know
that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn't
frightened at all, and her parents who were also right
there hadn't realized what had happened. I then asked
the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to reinforce
that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship.

I let Cubbe up and all was fine.

I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as part of
wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now.

Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it
was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing with
Cubbe the escapee?
--Lia ===================
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From: Julia Altshuler (jaltshuler@comcast.net)
Subject: Cubbe report: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST

Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
reports about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.

Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at ever
seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.

I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companionship of her own
species. Jim's reports were encouraging.

Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.

Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.

Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).

Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.

Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced
fighter so I don't know if attack is the right word. She
was snarfing, making growly noises, jumping on Chief,
had her mouth on Chief's neck (on his back, behind his
ears) and basically not looking friendly, but I think if she'd
wanted to do real damage, she would have, and Chief
was fine, nary a hair out of place.

Naturally with us all right there, we were able to
intervene in seconds.

A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like she'd
like to be friends again, but Chief, while not running away
or anything was obviously spooked and keeping his distance. Jo
and Chief went home. (I went with them
for chat and apologies, but that's not part of the Cubbe
story.)

Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people.

Might she have been guarding the balls Jim brought
out? Or was it the fact that we let our guard down for
a few seconds and she got scared of Chief when we
all weren't practically on top of her?

Or did we push her too far by leaving her and
Chief together for too many minutes when a
few seconds would have been better for a first try?

Or other theories?

Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up with
Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to letting
Cubbe live a dogless existence?

--Lia

===================

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY sinofabitch,
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Of curse THAT'S a lie.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"


Of curse.

QUOTED.

You wanna see it in context?

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out
of context" "I'm not going to rehash the entire series
of posts unless and "Only if it's taken completely
out of context. <G>"


No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

But NOT TO WORRY:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

"Neatly," and "Smartly."


"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.


INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"


That so? You mean, YOU WAS PLAYING?

Or do you mean: "The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context" "I'm not going to rehash
the entire series of posts unless and "Only if it's taken
completely out of context. <G>"


When takin IN context you'd been talkin
abHOWET NOT BEATIN the dog with a
shoe... when the OP was beatin the dog
with a shoe, but wasn't cause noWON
does that here abHOWETS.

That's HOWE COME "The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context" "I'm not going to rehash the
entire series of posts unless and "Only if it's taken
completely out of context. <G>"


The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"


Only if you're a MENTAL CASE cause The actual
quote is misleading when taken out of context" "I'm
not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>" NO PROBLEM:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

See?

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

Kinda like a neck muscle pulsing NINE on
her Innoteck shock collar?

REMEMBER: "The actual quote is misleading when
taken out of context" "I'm not going to rehash the entire
series of posts unless and "Only if it's taken completely
out of context. <G>"
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"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
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An INSENSITIVE DOG???

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

They're DUMB ANIMALS they HURT and MURDER.

But REMEMBER:

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>

Yeah... the big dog. The alphalpha bitch. Who
throws dogs to the grHOWEND and climbes all
over them like a raped ape and grHOWELS into
their throat and bites them on the ears and then
DENIES it... after claimin she was PLAYIN.

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

From: sionnach (rhyfelwr@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"


"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"


Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.
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"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
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"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
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"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

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news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...


"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...

"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"

"When you get BAGGED FOR LYING you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

From: Julia F N Altshuler (d000634c@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: Re: Urgent! Need Fast Advice on Explaining Death of Dog
to 4 Year Old
Newsgroups: misc.kids, rec.pets.dogs
Date: 1997/05/19


I'd like to suggest that you not always tell the truth
to a 4 year old. Reassure her that her parents
absolutely won't die until she's completely grown up.

Tell her that it's very sad when people or animals die
and that you don't understand it all yourself but that
you're absolutely positive that your dog will be happy
although the child and the dog miss each other.

I know that this begs the question of what to tell a
child when a parent does die. In that unlikely and
unfortunate event, tell the child that you were mistaken.

It's so unlikely that it would seem easier to reassure
the child that s/he'll always be taken care of after the
death than to worry the child needlessly about something
that's very unlikely.

Also reassure the child that love goes on.

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