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My dog bit my dad
HOWEDY leah,
Your MENTOR, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
for WON, leah.
Lynn Kosmakos writes:
"As you well know, she's mouthing you for your
attention. For this kind of mouthing I think the
best response is to press your hand back further
into the mouth and downwards. They usually learn
quickly that your response to being mouthed is a
little unpleasant."
Yes, the dog learns REJECTION for his attempts to
communicate and bond... You can pinch his lips or tongue
or under the tongue, dig finger nails into the roof of pup's
mouth, and twist or pinch ears, chin cuff, scruff shake, or
shock, depending on the experts you choose to follow. Our
professors dermer and gingold prefer chin cuffing and scruff
shaking.
And this mental case:
From: windwolfNOS...@mindspring.com (Denna Lasik)
Date: 1997/11/01
Subject: Re: How to stop a puppy from biting on people
On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 15:15:42 -0500, "G.S. Blakeley"
<blake...@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA> wrote:
A man went to jail recently in FL over that.
I can't think of a better way to get bitten or scratched
in the face. You DO want the puppy to associate biting
with unpleasantness, but there are easier ways to to it.
If he has your hand, press down on the soft tissues
under the tongue. If you can't manuver enough to do
that, press his lip into his teeth until he lets go. (Not
enough to injure the lip of course, just enough to cause
discomfort.)
ANother thing that I have found to work (This also
works wonders with ferrets, in case anyone happens
to have one) is to rub Bitter Apple onto your hands
before playing with your puppy.
The stuff tastes terrible, and they usually
get the message pretty fast. Denna Lasik
susan (Sado ***ual Fetishist) fraser sez:
Melissa,
If he won't bring something back to you, run away
from him to get him to follow you, and snag it from
him as he catches up to you. Also, never tug at the
object to get him to let go. PUSH a hard object (like
a frisbe or a ball) further into his mouth until he releases
it.
As a last resort, put your hand over his muzzle,
and press his lip down over the point of a tooth u
ntil he gets the message.
Then pet and praise a lot, but do it very calmly.
If he gets hyper and jumpy, do the whole thing
sitting on the floor, and let him crawl into your
lap, etc, while you stay reall calm and cuddly
with him. Then get to your knees, until eventually
you can stand without him jumping.
You are obedience training him, right?
A short piece of leash about 6" attached to his
collar is a good "handle" also. Grab it before
you try to take the frisbee/ball from him.
Then you have control.
Anyway, have fun with him, and keep us posted!
TTFN - Susan F.
Denna Lasik Jan 9 1998, 12:00 am show options
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Windw...@NOSPAMmindspring.com (Denna Lasik) - Find messages
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Date: 1998/01/09
Subject: Re: Pomeranians
On 7 Jan 1998 19:41:14 GMT, jab0...@aol.com (JAB0395) wrote:
Yup! It's called Bitter Apple, and you can buy it
in pet stores. Stuff tastes nasty. Sometimes using
Bitter Apple can work with the nipping problem if
used consistantly.
Also, if the dog is grabbing your fingers in
play and won't let go, you can use the trapped
hand (or finger in the case of a tiny lil' pom)
to press his lip into his teeth until he lets go.
Just remember to be consistant... if you let
the puppy play bite sometimes and not others,
you'll confuse the heck outta him. :-)
Poms are very hyper little dogs!
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"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
Well that's NEVER heelped anyWON else here abHOWETS.
Oh? You mean, like THIS? Here's you, leah:
"She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite.
Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling
and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick
snap, and the cuts weren't deep."
"Once I was holding her bone for her while she
chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly
put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."
"The other time was something I reported here
because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on
the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated
BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open
with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over
my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead."
"Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only
had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned
not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed
my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again,
there was no blood."
She bribes dogs and avoids behaivor problems, leah.
SomeWON like yourself, leah? You recently took
your own dogs to a BEHAVIORIST for their FEAR
AGGRESSION problmes and YOU SEZ "IT DIDN'T WORK," REMEMBER leah?
You mean, like his breakfast?
Dogs bite on accHOWENT of they're AFRAID.
Her dog bites her dad on accHOWENT of she's AFRAID of him.
That will make the dog MOORE mistrustful.
Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of
food and run to hide to eat them with their
backs to the wall in a heightened state of
alert. Offering fearful dogs food bribes makes
them MOORE fearful and MOORE aggressive.
No, it AIN'T safe on accHOWENT of by the
time you find that HOWET, it's TOO LATE.
That's INSANE, leah.
Your own dog had the same problem
and bit you five times over it, despite
that you DENY it on accHOWENT of
you're a MENTAL CASE:
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her chronic
mental problems. Recenly changed to
another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.
"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists
things around in his own mind until he actually believes
what he's saying."
Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous
advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not
forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have
medical problems that his halfwits-end program could
cure them.
PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life
"It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit
was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried
blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs
stiffening quickly.
It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so
that made it much harder for her.
And he was killed by bichons.
Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had
shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I
had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds
for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead.
(The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain").
Full moon.
Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com
YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION
classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY
MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.
Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.
You hurt intimidate and murder critters, leah.
Subject: MAJOR Problem with Madigan:
"And something happened yesterday that I'm not
even ready to talk about. I'm too shocked, overwhelmed,
discouraged, upset... and it's 100% my fault because,
in retrospect, I see how I actually *trained* her to do it. Sigh.
Oh, okay. I said it out loud (or rather, wrote it out loud :},
so I might as well go on... (just changed the subject line,
too, because I fear this will turn into a rather volatile thread
on its own)...
She bit me.
Not nipped me. Bit me. Drew blood. A lot of it.
Left three holes in my nose.
I have never been bitten by a dog before.
Least of all my own puppy.
In fact, I denied it at first. "She didn't bite me,"
I told my husband. "She was just clumsy and
hit me in the nose with her teeth."
"She bit you," he told me. "You have tooth marks."
"I don't know what to do. I somehow took a gentle,
non-violent dog and trained her to bite. Not only that,
but to bite ME in the FACE! How do I address that now?"
"I've had dogs all my adult life, and thought I knew a
lot about them. It's only been since I got Madigan in
January and began training classes, reading books,
and hanging out *here* that I realized how LITTLE I
knew about training them. I made so many mistakes,
especially on my heart dog - my eskie - because he
was the only dog I had who had behavior problems.
He was yelled at, slapped, made to smell his messes
(at least I didn't push his nose IN them) and isolated
for long "time outs." I only wish I had it to do over again."
Whatever. It was JUST WON TIME.
Naaah. THAT ain't what makes you HOWET
to BE STUPID, leah. What makes you STUPID
is to think you know anything abHOWET trainin dogs.
You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Buck on
accHOWENT of you was TOO LAZY or TOO
MENTALLY ILL to WALK him:
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems.
Here's you, arbitrarily MURDERIN your own
DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you
was TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to
WALK him on those cold central FL nites,
and followin THAT is your RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who RECENTLY MURDERED
a innocent little DEAD DOG in the park, thanks
to your PAW PATROL and SOCIALIZATION
and OBEDIENCE classes since he was ten
weeks old:
Really Bad Day
Date: 2004-03-21 17:34:07 PST HOWEDY leah,
"Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF> wrote in message news:20040321194728.23546.00000101@mb-m15.aol.com...
BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
You're no dog trainer, you're a FRAUD.
Class??? You don't have trainin classes you
teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless
unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and
choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding
behaviors doesn't work an then you try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
AnyWON who'd trust you to train them to handle
their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic
meds before they started.
Tough break. R.I.P., dog.
That's typical of a dog abusing coward, ain't it.
You mean he likes to PLAY.
Yeah. A dog is a dog.
And he's been jerked and choked and scolded
and punished and bribed since you began messin with him.
You mean, you was NORMAL.
Yeah. That'll be REAL important for trHOWEbleshootin
this behavior problem. Won't it, leah.
And MOM couldn't call him off cause IT won't
come when called nor will IT do anything else
unless MOM is danglin a cookie in front of him.
Typical Rottie behavior, ain't it.
SHOWENDS like he was just HAVIN FUN,
like when you jerk and choked him to train him.
Got LUCKY, eh leah?
But that's just the begining. Then you teach them
to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when they
can't BRIBE and AVOID their behavior problems.
They're able to HOWEtwit you and your ilk, leah.
Perhaps that's just allelomimetic behavior?
AMAZING? Chalk THAT up to allelomimetic behavior, for SHORE.
RIGHT. That's HOWE COME dogs ATTACK,
cause they're AFRAID of SUMPTHIN.
You mean, when the dinner bell rings? Prey
drive ain't got NUTHIN to do with FEAR. Dogs
chase PREY to EAT, not have FUN. Dogs chase
THINGS on accHOWENT of the visual oral reflex,
not PREY drive. Unless they're chasin a bunny
their PREY is in their food dish.
The MESSAGE is, you've HURT the dog to
force control over IT and THAT'S HOWE
COME IT was AFRAID and ATTACKED,
not on accHOWENT of some IDIOCY abHOWET PREY drive.
You're a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a dog abuser.
No. He was afraid he was gonna GET HURT
for CHASIN IT, so he ATTACKED and MURDERED
IT on accHOWENT of he knew he'd GET HURT for CHASIN IT.
Plain an simple indeed.
Right. Dogs can't know from BAD behavior.
Dogs only respond in PREDICTABLE NORMAL
NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE
ways to situations and cir***stances of their
environments which we create for them.
Not till NHOWE.
EVERY DOG IS DANGERHOWES.
Is a dog and is dangerHOWES. THAT'S HOWE
COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't HURT
and INTIMIDATE and BRIBE them an try to get
HOWET callin THAT, trainin.
To INTIMIDATE and FORCE control when necessary.
THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN a dog to BE
TRUSTWORTHY. Like your own dogs...
You're a IDIOT.
Perhaps they should be required to wear shock collars?
Or put a eye HOWET.
No, that takes a bit of E***PERTISE, like what
the owner PAID YOU FOR.
You're INSANE and you're a FRAUD.
It will, as you get MOORE E***PERIENCE.
You're no trainer, you're a FRAUD.
Your own dogs bit you five times and
destroyed your HOWES and ruined
your marriage. You MURDERED your
own DEAD DOG Buck cause you was
TOO STUPID to put him on a salt restricted
diet for his congestive heart failure and fed
him pizza and french fries and then MURDERED
HIM cause you was TOO LAZY to walk him
every two HOWERS in the cold central Florida
weather. R.I.P. Dog.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
Yeah. Better take some ginger cookes and
some rescue remedy so you puke your guts
HOWET readin your own POSTED CASE
HISTORY of DOG TRAININ SUCCESS, eh leah?
Won Last Gift
HOWEDY People,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard wouldn't
ever CONsider MURDERING a dog if
he had just WON MOORE "HOWEDY!" left in him.
You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG
Buck cause you was TOO LAZY to walk
him and TOO STUPID to restrict salt from
his congestive heart failure diet supplemented
with lasix, FRENCH FRIES and PIZZA.
And THEN you CHANGED YOUR MIND
just after the veterinarian MURDERED HIM
for you for your CONvenience.
From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.com )
Subject: Re: It's Over Date: 2001-07-13 18:46:21 PST
I had that impulse the moment that Buck's
eyes closed and he went limp. I wanted to
scream, "No! I made a mistake!"
I'm just glad I didn't break down until that moment.
I was able to smile at him and say happy things
while he was watching me. So at least the last
thing he saw and heard was the most important
thing in his life - me, telling him I loved him.
From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-15 08:11:21 PST
This is a very comforting statement. And
so true. Can I plagarize you? :} I've also
been hanging in the alt.support.pet-loss
newsgroup since I lost my eskie, and
there are a lot of people there who would
benefit from hearing this. :}
From: Leah (dfrntdrums@aol.comMURK-OFF)
Subject: Re: It's Over
Date: 2001-07-13 12:25:22 PST
Thank you, everybody, for your kind words.
They really do help.
I really didn't think this would be so hard.
I thought I was ready. I thought I'd feel
relieved that Buck was "safe" from further
suffering.
All I can see is his eyes as he looked into
mine, trusting me, as the vet gave him the
needle.
I don't know if I'd ever have the courage
to do this again. I hope I never have to.
Leah. =================
"MaryBeth" <marbeths@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@news.teranews.com...
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.
All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to seperate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of
the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the guy
is pretty clever, you're letting him get under
your skin.
It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't
believe that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.
I have changed her from an aggressive dog to
one who is willing to please her owner, willing
to listen, willing to assume her role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?
MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and
who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...
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