the puppy wizard

HOWEDY matty,


Jacobon's is WON possiblity, while Occam's Razor is NO possibilty.


You as a dog abusing lying sissy mental case
oughta know THIS:

From: Jeff Shirton (burlington@ontario.ca)
Subject: Occam's Razor?! You *gotta* be kidding me!
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon
Date: 2004-05-12 15:32:14 PST
"Guy R. Briggs" <netzach@GeoCities.com> wrote in message news:94E776B04netzachGeoCitiescom@216.196.97.142.. .

I have no less than *two* problems with "Occam's
Razor" here.

In the first place, it is nothing more than a
nice-sounding philosophy.

Occam's Razor has *never* been proven "true"
by any kind of rigourous proof.

In the second place, "Occam's Razor" would
*deny* the resurrection of Christ!

As any atheist would tell you, a cover-up and fake
"resurrection" is *far* simpler, and *far* easier to
believe, than a true post-death resurrection.

So why should I (or any Christian) accept "Occam's Razor"?

Once again, I think it speaks volumes that you have to make your
bed with the arguments of atheists in order to try how you are
the only one true "Christian" church.

--
Jeff Shirton jshirton at cogeco dot ca


Occam's Razor doesn't apply to G -d or dog behavior.

Your own dog Rocky is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE caused by you abusin him.

Occam's Razor tells you to look at his BRAIN.

COMMON SENSE tells us to look up your
posting history of hurtin dogs and lyin abHOWET
it.

Occam's Razor sez you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause it's not beneficial to yourself or
HOWER readers cause you're a dog abusing
lying mental case. Yet you continue to embarrass
yourself and disrespect The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums: HOWEDY matty,
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Fri94F46AC19C22Daustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Generally they're a WONderful supplement.


Only a few of them are allergic, like any other food.


That so, matty? Where do you get your information?

It only takes a few minutes to train a dog not
to do STUFF like eat poison or jump fences
or dig holes or roam the neighborhood or
eat garbage or C-HOWENTER surf or any
other behavior, don't it, matty.


You mean, if you don't know HOWE to t rain
a dog, matty?

BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

You're a liar and dog abuser a coward and
a mental case, matty. And that's HOWE
COME you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE. Ain't it.

"Rocky" <2dogsREMOVE@rocky-dog.com.invalid> wrote in message news:Fri95106DE4D21E5australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Yeah. Bribing fear aggressive dogs often makes them attack.

You think he should roll over on his back
an piss hisself and ask for a belly rub, matty?

You think you're gonna FOOL the dog, matty?


That so? HOWE you gonna praise the dog
for lookin at you if you're not lookin at him?

You mean he should look like a construction crane?


Yeah. This'd probably be a real good time for
some Zen breathin, eh matty?


tara o. aka tee is a lying dog abusing
mental case who murdered her own
DEAD DOG for THE SAME PROBLEM.

You remember that, don't you, matty.

That's idiocy, matty.


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

Your pals melinda shore and melanie and
a couple other lying dog abusing punk thug
cowards TOLD YOU their dogs TURNED on
folks trying to bribe them to be friends.


So far, it's taken melanie three years workin
with the university of PA behaviorist and
psychotropic drugs with NO success. marie
has been working on her dog Macula for three
years and five trainers with NO success. leah
(a PROFESSIONAL trainer) took her dog to
a BEHAVIORIST a couple weeks ago for dog
aggression with NO success. liea altshuller's
dog Cubbe has bitten her only friend and tried
to attack two children and attacked a neighbor's
dog.

Your own dog Rocky is DYIN of STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


You're a liar and dog abuser and coward, matty.
Here's proof:
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
****-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...

"BethF" <beth@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com...

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From: Beth F (dawg@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning"
<rainmaid@att.net> wrote:

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,

I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark
drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.

--BethF, Anchorage, AK
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY sinofabitch,

Well yeah, he COULD, on accHOWENT of
the PHYSICS of SCENT.


IOW, could be the dog is using he gland.

Could be both though. Could be neither. Either
way, there's NO ARGUMENT that it COULD BE.

That so? Don't you ever get the urge to scent
stuff like after you've attacked a dog you was
walking and threw it to the grHOWEND and
grHOWELED into it's throat an bit IT on ITS ear?


Dogs likeWIZE chatter their teeth to communicate.
Kinda like when you throw a dog to the grHOWEND
and grHOWEL into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears.

That so? What's it considered when you
attack a dog and throw IT to the grHOWEND
and grHOWEL into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears?


When you attack a innocent dog you been jerkin
and chokin on your pronged spiked pinch choke
collar and throw IT to the grHOWEND and grHOWEL
into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears, what do
you call THAT?

Is that the actions of a feral dog you're copyin
or is that a case of human mental illness?

Kinda like a horse might do?

Could be it's a STRESS induced seizure from
some dog abusing mental case throwin IT to
the grHOWEND and grHOWELIN into ITS
throat and bitin IT on ITS ears like you done
that little puppy to leash train IT?


Well then, we got sumpthin we can work
with cause most "epilepsy" is CAUSED by
dog absusers mishandling dogs and lyin abHOWET it.


Well then, we KNOW that's a fault of trainin,
not the dog having seizures.

Then the ODDS ARE GOOD that we can
break the behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Jerry says:
HOWE'S the baby's seizures?

parentadlitem says:
better

Jerry says:
got any idea how much better?

parentadlitem says:
not really

parentadlitem says:
she doesn't do em here that i see

Jerry says:
amazing

Jerry says:
when's the last time she seized with you?

parentadlitem says:
weeks ago?

Jerry says:
but before the machine it was daily?

parentadlitem says:
every minute!

Jerry says:
does her mom use it at her HOWES?

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i yelled at her about it

Jerry says:
ask her when's the last time she saw a seizure for me

parentadlitem says:
k . she's sleepin now, ill talk to her tonight, she's comin
over

Jerry says:
yeah... that's pretty good stuff

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i love mine

parentadlitem says:
no barkin the neighborhood at all anymore

parentadlitem says:
ever

Jerry says:
right

parentadlitem says:
once in a blue moon some distant dog will bark

parentadlitem says:
but all the neighbors dogs are quiet

Jerry says:
when you hear that distant dog throw the machine on

parentadlitem says:
we do

parentadlitem says:
it's really rare though

================= sinofabitch writes:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."


"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.


BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY matty,


You mean, sumpthin like this?:

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


Know HOWE COME dogs GET OCD's?


Yeah. Call it anything you like. They get it from STRESS.


We have no HISTORY on the dog.

What we'd need to know is if the dog has
been ABUSED like you and your lying dog
abusing punk thug coward pals abuse your
own dogs to cause them to have SEIZURES.


Like your dog. And like this:


"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

HOWEDY matty,
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Fri94F46AC19C22Daustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Generally they're a WONderful supplement.


Only a few of them are allergic, like any other food.


That so, matty? Where do you get your information?

It only takes a few minutes to train a dog not
to do STUFF like eat poison or jump fences
or dig holes or roam the neighborhood or
eat garbage or C-HOWENTER surf or any
other behavior, don't it, matty.


You mean, if you don't know HOWE to t rain
a dog, matty?

BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

You're a liar and dog abuser a coward and
a mental case, matty. And that's HOWE
COME you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE. Ain't it.

"Rocky" <2dogsREMOVE@rocky-dog.com.invalid> wrote in message news:Fri95106DE4D21E5australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Yeah. Bribing fear aggressive dogs often makes them attack.

You think he should roll over on his back
an piss hisself and ask for a belly rub, matty?

You think you're gonna FOOL the dog, matty?


That so? HOWE you gonna praise the dog
for lookin at you if you're not lookin at him?

You mean he should look like a construction crane?


Yeah. This'd probably be a real good time for
some Zen breathin, eh matty?


tara o. aka tee is a lying dog abusing
mental case who murdered her own
DEAD DOG for THE SAME PROBLEM.

You remember that, don't you, matty.

That's idiocy, matty.


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

Your pals melinda shore and melanie and
a couple other lying dog abusing punk thug
cowards TOLD YOU their dogs TURNED on
folks trying to bribe them to be friends.


So far, it's taken melanie three years workin
with the university of PA behaviorist and
psychotropic drugs with NO success. marie
has been working on her dog Macula for three
years and five trainers with NO success. leah
(a PROFESSIONAL trainer) took her dog to
a BEHAVIORIST a couple weeks ago for dog
aggression with NO success. liea altshuller's
dog Cubbe has bitten her only friend and tried
to attack two children and attacked a neighbor's
dog.

Your own dog Rocky is DYIN of STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


You're a liar and dog abuser and coward, matty.
Here's proof:
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
****-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...

"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY pdb,


Welcome to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums.


Seems The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
beaten EVERY subject in behaviorISM
TO DEATH using the words of the E***PERTS,
E***CEPT THIS WON.

Could be we're getting into some new stuff
with your dog. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
has been givin your pup a bit of thought for
a few HOWERS cause it's got a interesting possibility goin on.


Perhaps you hadn't been readin HOWER forums?

O.K. You can break that EZ if you know HOWE.
But that's not gonna FIX the problem. The problem
could be rather complex even for The Amazing
Puppy Wizard, but things are seldom as they SEEM.

Another case against Occam's Razor. If "THINGS"
were "as they seem," then common sense ordinary
methods as recommended by HOWER E***PERTS
would WORK NEARLY INSTANTLY. They don't. The
E***PERTS got NUTHIN to offer you cause they're
focused on the SYMPTOMS, not the CAUSE.

Given that symptoms often change, we'd be
playin Whack-A-Mole trying to repress or de
condition EVERY behaivor problem in creation
till we've E***TINGUISHED all of them usually
by the age of two or three years... then the dog
breaks DHOWEN physically, with ligament and
degenerative neuro myopathies / neuralgias and
symptoms mimicing Cushings Addisons adrenal
and thyroid failure, even periodontitis glaucoma
and blindness, all caused by ordinary reasonable
STRESS from ordinary reasonable mishandling
as taught by HOWER E***PERTS.


Yeah. Could be he's got sumthin wrong with him
like maybe a foxtail growin in his ear or sumpthin
weird. But probably not. And there's ways to find HOWET withHOWET guessin.


Presuming he's not got sumthin goin on like
maybe a cricket in his ear or a foxtail up his
nose, chances are he's havin a stress induced
repetitive obsessive compulsive behavior disorder, or OCD.

Seizures are often caused by STRESS.
But he could have a allergy to sumpthin
or a deficiency of sumpthin or other.

OCD's are caused by stress. Purdue recently
confirmed that as FACT. The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's been saying that for years. Stress
causes a wide variety of physical DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome.


If your dog is havin an OCD there are a variety
of effective C-HOWENTER conditioning techniques
you can learn in your FREE copy of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual to break the habitual visible symptoms
but that's not gonna PREVENT the recurrence or morphing
of the behavior cause you'd only be addressing the symptoms,
not reducing the STRESSORS that CAUSE OCD's.


Repressing a behavior often causes it to change
to other, often worse, seemingly non related
behaviors as anxiety relief mechanisms.

Avoiding ignoring and rewarding behaviors often
reinforces them. Preventing correcting and "managing"
so called self rewarding behaviors VARIABLY
REINFORCES them when 'the kat wasn't watchin
the grain' and the dog accidently got the steak
off the table or the garbage bin or got on the bed
or peed on the floor or chewed the remote or
whatever. All behavior problems are the same
same same same, they're just wearin different
clothes.

All behavior problems and most DIS-EASES
are caused by STRESS from mishandling.

Scolding dogs even by gently telling them NO
or bribing and witholding bribes as in clicker /
treat method can stress dogs enough to cause
seriHOWES temperament behavior and health
problems as MOST of HOWER dog lover's dogs
right here, are sufferin.

Like matty's dog Rocky and professor SCRUFF
SHAKE'S dog Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator and his chronic
undiagnosable urinary tract / bladder / irritable BHOWEL
DIS-EASES.

The Puppy Wizard's FREE TEN STEP DIAGNOSTIC / REHABILITATION PROGRAM
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:be06ls$j6i$1@uwm.edu...

The Puppy Wizard believes your dog's health
problems are the physical manifestation of
emotional distress, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


Ever consider it's your dysfunctional method of
intimidating, punishing, forcing control and
mishandling him thru your preferred lunacy of
duminance, intimidation, forced restraint, bribery
and your SCRUFF SHAKE???

Your dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator has OCMD
(obsessive compulsive masturbatory disorder),
a dissasociative anxiety relief mechanism.

It's his ONLY defense mechanism, bein as small
as he is. The Puppy Wizard's GIANT breed dogs
would simply SCRUFF SHAKE YOU and BE DONE
with their ANXIETY, as YOU DO HIM.


INDEED. Bribing and withholding treats increases
anxiety, which is restimulated every time the "command"
he's been "taught" using withholding of bribes is
requested, even many years into the future.

Your little dog Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator
has his DAILY ATTACKS of ANXIETY on any day
you fail to expiate his ANXIETY thru five miles of
bicycle chasing.

IS THAT NOT SO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


SHOWENDS like the same same same same
symptoms CHILDREN manifest, who DON'T
WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL.


HOWE HIGH is his fever? The Puppy Wizard
KNOWS physical symptoms such as "idiopathic
epilepsy" seizures, "undiagnosed" intestinal and
digestive disorders, ALL OCD behaviors, endocrine
malfunctions, and other PSYCHOSOMATIC disorders can and usually
are, CAUSED BY STRESS.

NORMAL temps are 101.5 - 102. THAT SUGGESTS
to The Puppy Wizard that Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's "FEVER" is PSYCHOSOMATIC, a
result of non physical STRESS, as in the "Spike
& Squirt" phenomena described in McProtection Training.


Like HOWE a kid who's trying to get
HOWETA goin to school today...

Like HOWE a kid who's SUCCEEDED at
gettin HOWETA school today.

Like HOWE a kid who's SATISFIED at having
got HOWETA school YESTERDAY.


These symptoms are COMMON, professor.
The Puppy Wizard has SEEN EVIDENCE in
the DEAD DOGS who've HAD NO SYMPTOMS
while boarded at The Puppy Wizard's kennels
PRYOR to being MISDIAGNOSED by "THE BEST" VETERINARY SPECIALISTS.

SAME SAME as HOWER friend melanie chang has SEEN with her dog
Solo, while she was on vacation
and Solo had the BLISS of a NORMAL kennel ENVIRONMENT.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


Well, it IS fortunate for the VET that you're able to afford
such luxury on a professor's salary.


Well, as time endures and you continue to
MISHANDLE him, the physical symptoms
will likely continue to exacerbate, PROFESSOR.

You'll get your "medical" findings, bye and bye, no dHOWET.


The CONSTANT intermittent STRESS CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING will break dHOWEn ANY organism.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!

PERHAPS your vet "KNOWS" sumpthin
The Puppy Wizard KNOWS, eh professor?


PRECISELY. You cannot expect ANYTHING to
override the constant restimulation of STRESS produced by INTIMIDATION.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


These and other OCD related behaviors can
be duplicated EZ, professor. You just gotta
MISHANDLE the dog ENOUGH.

DO YOU NHOWE?

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


INDEED, professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into ITS face and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
reflection," dermer.

First and ONLY WON question is, DO YOU CRATE
Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator? That could be
the primary cause of his STRESS, as at the age of
5 years, he's unlikely to have any behavior problems
which you have not SCRUFF SHAKEN HOWETA HIM.

Crating RESTIMULATES and REINFORCES
phobias, professor. You'll see EVIDENCE of
THAT in Crystal Arcidy's reports on her FREE
WWW Wits' End Trained dog Starr. See
"Starry's Scary Night."

The Puppy Wizard has a recommendation and
an option which MIGHT resolve ALL HOWER
problems, professor. The reason the suggestion
is modified by MIGHT is, on accHOWEnt of The
Puppy Wizard cannot control the environment if
HE'S not there to SUPERVISE implementation of
the TECHNIQUES HE offers you today and you
got a bad reputation for hurtin dogs and lying
abHOWET it.

Here's HOWE to CURE Maxie's OCD behavior's
and life threatening physical health dilemmas:

First, STUDY your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Second, CALL The Puppy Wizard with all members
of Maxie's immediate family so we're ALL on the
same page and noWON will CONFLICT with or
STRESS him in ANY WAY.

Third, STOP all BRIBES, CORRECTIONS, INTIMIDATION, CRATING, and
discontinue excessive physical exercise to
expiate his anxiety. We WANT his behavior problems to
manifest SO WE CAN EXTINGUISH THEM.

Fourth, The Puppy Wizard will LOAN you for FREE,
HIS "AMAZING, MIRACULHOWES, INCREDIBLE"
MAGNIFICENT Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And
A Rooster Did And A ****atoo Or Two Did Too)
Machine, and YOU will AGREE to FOLLOW HIS
INSTRUCTIONS.

Fifth, you or any family member will call The Puppy
Wizard IMMEDIATELY and relate details and ask
advice for appupriately controlling EACH and EVERY
instance of Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator's
inappropriate puppy behavior problems, instead of
tellin him "NO!" or otherWIZE negatively interacting
with him.

Sixth, you and each member of your immediate family
pack will work five minutes every other day learning
HOWE to expiate your dog Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's anxiety thru the MAGICK of The Puppy
Wizard's Four Step Heeling Pattern Exercise as articulated
in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual, to TEACH Maxie
there is NOTHING TO FEAR in MAKING MISTAKES.

Seventh, at the end of thirty days, you will report HOWER
findings to your veterinary, the head of your university
department of ****-ytic behaviorISM, and to the Whole
Wild World...

Eighth, IN RETURN, you will have your dog
Maxie The FORMER Magnificent Masturbator
returned to EXCELLENT health, and The
Puppy Wizard agrees to F****VE and
FORGET ALL PAST INDISCRETIONS and
SUBVERSIVE activities you've committed
against The Puppy Wizard and all mankind...

Ninth, you will serve as EMISSARY and sever
as EXPERT WITNESS for The Puppy Wizard
and ENDORSE HIS METHODS and MACHINE
as the WON true way to CURE ALL animal and
child behavior problems and bring PEACE, HEALTH,
and PROSPERITY to the Whole Wild World.

Tenth, IF YOU FAIL to succeed after your thirty
day EXPERIMENT, you'll agree to ship Maxie
The Magnificent Masturbator TO The Puppy
Wizard at HIS EXPENSE, for a two week stay
FOR FREE, to PERFORM THE MAGICK HISSELF.


It don't get no goddamned better than THAT, professor.


Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day! / V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...


Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
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From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================


The Puppy Wizard. <TPW{}; ~ } >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Nevyn,


Right. People do too.


Perhaps only unnoticed or neglected by science.

EveryWON'S works. Some may work
better than others for several reasons.


Could be. But HOWE COME?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard's been givin
this WON a lotta thought. Could be given
this behavior is an OCD or seizure like
activity, the scenting behavior was selected
by the brain as a dissasociative anxiHOWESNESS
relief mechanism.

That would fit particularly well with the dog
as their sense of smell is so entrancing to
them anyHOWE, cause that's the nature
of the beast. What better escape can a
dog have, than fantasies of SCENT?

the puppy wizard

The Puppy Wizard's FREE TEN STEP
DIAGNOSTIC / REHABILITATION PROGRAM


The Puppy Wizard believes your dog's health
problems are the physical manifestation of
emotional distress, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


Ever consider it's your dysfunctional method of
intimidating, punishing, forcing control and
mishandling him thru your preferred lunacy of
duminance, intimidation, forced restraint, bribery
and your SCRUFF SHAKE???

Your dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator has OCMD
(obsessive compulsive masturbatory disorder),
a dissasociative anxiety relief mechanism.

It's his ONLY defense mechanism, bein as small
as he is. The Puppy Wizard's GIANT breed dogs
would simply SCRUFF SHAKE YOU and BE DONE
with their ANXIETY, as YOU DO HIM.


INDEED. Bribing and withholding treats increases
anxiety, which is restimulated every time the "command"
he's been "taught" using withholding of bribes is
requested, even many years into the future.

Your little dog Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator
has his DAILY ATTACKS of ANXIETY on any day
you fail to expiate his ANXIETY thru five miles of
bicycle chasing.

IS THAT NOT SO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


SHOWENDS like the same same same same
symptoms CHILDREN manifest, who DON'T
WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL.


HOWE HIGH is his fever? The Puppy Wizard
KNOWS physical symptoms such as "idiopathic
epilepsy" seizures, "undiagnosed" intestinal and
digestive disorders, ALL OCD behaviors, endocrine
malfunctions, and other PSYCHOSOMATIC disorders can and usually
are, CAUSED BY STRESS.

NORMAL temps are 101.5 - 102. THAT SUGGESTS
to The Puppy Wizard that Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's "FEVER" is PSYCHOSOMATIC, a
result of non physical STRESS, as in the "Spike
& Squirt" phenomena described in McProtection Training.


Like HOWE a kid who's trying to get
HOWETA goin to school today...

Like HOWE a kid who's SUCCEEDED at
gettin HOWETA school today.

Like HOWE a kid who's SATISFIED at having
got HOWETA school YESTERDAY.


These symptoms are COMMON, professor.
The Puppy Wizard has SEEN EVIDENCE in
the DEAD DOGS who've HAD NO SYMPTOMS
while boarded at The Puppy Wizard's kennels
PRYOR to being MISDIAGNOSED by "THE BEST" VETERINARY SPECIALISTS.

SAME SAME as HOWER friend melanie chang has SEEN with her dog
Solo, while she was on vacation
and Solo had the BLISS of a NORMAL kennel ENVIRONMENT.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


Well, it IS fortunate for the VET that you're able to afford
such luxury on a professor's salary.


Well, as time endures and you continue to
MISHANDLE him, the physical symptoms
will likely continue to exacerbate, PROFESSOR.

You'll get your "medical" findings, bye and bye, no dHOWET.


The CONSTANT intermittent STRESS CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING will break dHOWEn ANY organism.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!

PERHAPS your vet "KNOWS" sumpthin
The Puppy Wizard KNOWS, eh professor?


PRECISELY. You cannot expect ANYTHING to
override the constant restimulation of STRESS produced by INTIMIDATION.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


These and other OCD related behaviors can
be duplicated EZ, professor. You just gotta
MISHANDLE the dog ENOUGH.

DO YOU NHOWE?

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


INDEED, professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into ITS face and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
reflection," dermer.

First and ONLY WON question is, DO YOU CRATE
Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator? That could be
the primary cause of his STRESS, as at the age of
5 years, he's unlikely to have any behavior problems
which you have not SCRUFF SHAKEN HOWETA HIM.

Crating RESTIMULATES and REINFORCES
phobias, professor. You'll see EVIDENCE of
THAT in Crystal Arcidy's reports on her FREE
WWW Wits' End Trained dog Starr. See
"Starry's Scary Night."

The Puppy Wizard has a recommendation and
an option which MIGHT resolve ALL HOWER
problems, professor. The reason the suggestion
is modified by MIGHT is, on accHOWEnt of The
Puppy Wizard cannot control the environment if
HE'S not there to SUPERVISE implementation of
the TECHNIQUES HE offers you today and you
got a bad reputation for hurtin dogs and lying
abHOWET it.

Here's HOWE to CURE Maxie's OCD behavior's
and life threatening physical health dilemmas:

First, STUDY your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Second, CALL The Puppy Wizard with all members
of Maxie's immediate family so we're ALL on the
same page and noWON will CONFLICT with or
STRESS him in ANY WAY.

Third, STOP all BRIBES, CORRECTIONS, INTIMIDATION, CRATING, and
discontinue excessive physical exercise to
expiate his anxiety. We WANT his behavior problems to
manifest SO WE CAN EXTINGUISH THEM.

Fourth, The Puppy Wizard will LOAN you for FREE,
HIS "AMAZING, MIRACULHOWES, INCREDIBLE"
MAGNIFICENT Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And
A Rooster Did And A ****atoo Or Two Did Too)
Machine, and YOU will AGREE to FOLLOW HIS
INSTRUCTIONS.

Fifth, you or any family member will call The Puppy
Wizard IMMEDIATELY and relate details and ask
advice for appupriately controlling EACH and EVERY
instance of Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator's
inappropriate puppy behavior problems, instead of
tellin him "NO!" or otherWIZE negatively interacting
with him.

Sixth, you and each member of your immediate family
pack will work five minutes every other day learning
HOWE to expiate your dog Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's anxiety thru the MAGICK of The Puppy
Wizard's Four Step Heeling Pattern Exercise as articulated
in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual, to TEACH Maxie
there is NOTHING TO FEAR in MAKING MISTAKES.

Seventh, at the end of thirty days, you will report HOWER
findings to your veterinary, the head of your university
department of ****-ytic behaviorISM, and to the Whole
Wild World...

Eighth, IN RETURN, you will have your dog
Maxie The FORMER Magnificent Masturbator
returned to EXCELLENT health, and The
Puppy Wizard agrees to F****VE and
FORGET ALL PAST INDISCRETIONS and
SUBVERSIVE activities you've committed
against The Puppy Wizard and all mankind...

Ninth, you will serve as EMISSARY and sever
as EXPERT WITNESS for The Puppy Wizard
and ENDORSE HIS METHODS and MACHINE
as the WON true way to CURE ALL animal and
child behavior problems and bring PEACE, HEALTH,
and PROSPERITY to the Whole Wild World.

Tenth, IF YOU FAIL to succeed after your thirty
day EXPERIMENT, you'll agree to ship Maxie
The Magnificent Masturbator TO The Puppy
Wizard at HIS EXPENSE, for a two week stay
FOR FREE, to PERFORM THE MAGICK HISSELF.


It don't get no goddamned better than THAT, professor.


Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day! / V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...


Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.c om...


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================


The Puppy Wizard. <TPW{}; ~ } >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY colleen,


Well, that's on accHOWENT of he's STRESSED.

You STRESS your dog by ABUSING HIM. You've
been reading HOWER forums for months, and
you've got your just desserts:

From: Colleen (collblouin@nospam.shaw.ca)
Subject: Re: reeling in my dog
Date: 2004-03-27 14:19:04 PST

I have had success using the Lupi harness.
It can easily be found in most pet stores

-------------------------------

THAT means you force hurt and INTIMIDATE
you OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE MENTALLY
ILL DOG to MAKE IT MENTALLY ILL.


RIGHT!

That will REINFORCE and REWARD the
behavior on accHOWENT of you don't know
HOWE to E***TINGUISH it.

It is. It's an OCD. Like this:

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


Would you bet your life on that?

A dog can't have OCD's and be healthy.
We're talkin abHOWET a life treatening condition.

FORGET ABHOWET IT.

Most "epilepsy" is CAUSED by STRESS
from abusing animals. Like HOWE you
do your own MENTALLY ILL dog.


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!

Your vet can't train your dog to be HAPPY
FEEL SAFE and BE COMFORTABLE if
you're gonna ABUSE IT.


Neither can you, evidently, on accHOWENT
OF YOU ABUSE IT.

Oh, bye the bye, decent people do not post here.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

The Puppy Wizard's FREE TEN STEP
DIAGNOSTIC / REHABILITATION PROGRAM
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:be06ls$j6i$1@uwm.edu...

The Puppy Wizard believes your dog's health
problems are the physical manifestation of
emotional distress, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


Ever consider it's your dysfunctional method of
intimidating, punishing, forcing control and
mishandling him thru your preferred lunacy of
duminance, intimidation, forced restraint, bribery
and your SCRUFF SHAKE???

Your dog Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbator has OCMD
(obsessive compulsive masturbatory disorder),
a dissasociative anxiety relief mechanism.

It's his ONLY defense mechanism, bein as small
as he is. The Puppy Wizard's GIANT breed dogs
would simply SCRUFF SHAKE YOU and BE DONE
with their ANXIETY, as YOU DO HIM.


INDEED. Bribing and withholding treats increases
anxiety, which is restimulated every time the "command"
he's been "taught" using withholding of bribes is
requested, even many years into the future.

Your little dog Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator
has his DAILY ATTACKS of ANXIETY on any day
you fail to expiate his ANXIETY thru five miles of
bicycle chasing.

IS THAT NOT SO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


SHOWENDS like the same same same same
symptoms CHILDREN manifest, who DON'T
WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL.


HOWE HIGH is his fever? The Puppy Wizard
KNOWS physical symptoms such as "idiopathic
epilepsy" seizures, "undiagnosed" intestinal and
digestive disorders, ALL OCD behaviors, endocrine
malfunctions, and other PSYCHOSOMATIC disorders
can and usually are, CAUSED BY STRESS.

NORMAL temps are 101.5 - 102. THAT SUGGESTS
to The Puppy Wizard that Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's "FEVER" is PSYCHOSOMATIC, a
result of non physical STRESS, as in the "Spike
& Squirt" phenomena described in McProtection Training.


Like HOWE a kid would act who's trying
to get HOWETA goin to school today...

Like HOWE a kid who's SUCCEEDED at
gettin HOWETA school today.

Like HOWE a kid who's SATISFIED at having
got HOWETA school YESTERDAY.


These symptoms are COMMON, professor.
The Puppy Wizard has SEEN EVIDENCE in
the DEAD DOGS who've HAD NO SYMPTOMS
while boarded at The Puppy Wizard's kennels
PRYOR to being MISDIAGNOSED by "THE BEST"
VETERINARY SPECIALISTS.

SAME SAME as HOWER friend melanie chang
has SEEN with her dog Solo, while she was on
vacation and Solo had the BLISS of a NORMAL kennel ENVIRONMENT.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


Well, it IS fortunate for the VET that you're able to afford
such luxury on a professor's salary.


Well, as time endures and you continue to
MISHANDLE him, the physical symptoms
will likely continue to exacerbate, PROFESSOR.

You'll get your "medical" findings, bye and bye, no dHOWET.


The CONSTANT intermittent STRESS CAUSED
BY MISHANDLING will break dHOWEn ANY organism.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!

PERHAPS your vet "KNOWS" sumpthin
The Puppy Wizard KNOWS, eh professor?


PRECISELY. You cannot expect ANYTHING to
override the constant restimulation of STRESS produced by INTIMIDATION.

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


These and other OCD related behaviors can
be duplicated EZ, professor. You just gotta
MISHANDLE the dog ENOUGH.

DO YOU NHOWE?

KERCHING! KERCHING! KERCHING!


INDEED, professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
'NO!' into ITS face and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
reflection," dermer.

First and ONLY WON question is, DO YOU CRATE
Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator? That could be
the primary cause of his STRESS, as at the age of
5 years, he's unlikely to have any behavior problems
which you have not SCRUFF SHAKEN HOWETA HIM.

Crating RESTIMULATES and REINFORCES
phobias, professor. You'll see EVIDENCE of
THAT in Crystal Arcidy's reports on her FREE
WWW Wits' End Trained dog Starr. See
"Starry's Scary Night."

The Puppy Wizard has a recommendation and
an option which MIGHT resolve ALL HOWER
problems, professor. The reason the suggestion
is modified by MIGHT is, on accHOWEnt of The
Puppy Wizard cannot control the environment if
HE'S not there to SUPERVISE implementation of
the TECHNIQUES HE offers you today and you
got a bad reputation for hurtin dogs and lying
abHOWET it.

Here's HOWE to CURE Maxie's OCD behavior's
and life threatening physical health dilemmas:

First, STUDY your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.

Second, CALL The Puppy Wizard with all members
of Maxie's immediate family so we're ALL on the
same page and noWON will CONFLICT with or
STRESS him in ANY WAY.

Third, STOP all BRIBES, CORRECTIONS, INTIMIDATION,
CRATING, and discontinue excessive physical exercise to
expiate his anxiety. We WANT his behavior problems to
manifest SO WE CAN EXTINGUISH THEM.

Fourth, The Puppy Wizard will LOAN you for FREE,
HIS "AMAZING, MIRACULHOWES, INCREDIBLE"
MAGNIFICENT Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And
A Rooster Did And A ****atoo Or Two Did Too)
Machine, and YOU will AGREE to FOLLOW HIS
INSTRUCTIONS.

Fifth, you or any family member will call The Puppy
Wizard IMMEDIATELY and relate details and ask
advice for appupriately controlling EACH and EVERY
instance of Maxie The Magnificent Masturbator's
inappropriate puppy behavior problems, instead of
tellin him "NO!" or otherWIZE negatively interacting
with him.

Sixth, you and each member of your immediate family
pack will work five minutes every other day learning
HOWE to expiate your dog Maxie The Magnificent
Masturbator's anxiety thru the MAGICK of The Puppy
Wizard's Four Step Heeling Pattern Exercise as articulated
in your FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual, to TEACH Maxie
there is NOTHING TO FEAR in MAKING MISTAKES.

Seventh, at the end of thirty days, you will report HOWER
findings to your veterinary, the head of your university
department of ****-ytic behaviorISM, and to the Whole
Wild World...

Eighth, IN RETURN, you will have your dog
Maxie The FORMER Magnificent Masturbator
returned to EXCELLENT health, and The
Puppy Wizard agrees to F****VE and
FORGET ALL PAST INDISCRETIONS and
SUBVERSIVE activities you've committed
against The Puppy Wizard and all mankind...

Ninth, you will serve as EMISSARY and sever
as EXPERT WITNESS for The Puppy Wizard
and ENDORSE HIS METHODS and MACHINE
as the WON true way to CURE ALL animal and
child behavior problems and bring PEACE, HEALTH,
and PROSPERITY to the Whole Wild World.

Tenth, IF YOU FAIL to succeed after your thirty
day EXPERIMENT, you'll agree to ship Maxie
The Magnificent Masturbator TO The Puppy
Wizard at HIS EXPENSE, for a two week stay
FOR FREE, to PERFORM THE MAGICK HISSELF.


It don't get no goddamned better than THAT, professor.


Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day! / V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

"We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...


Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.c om...


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================


The Puppy Wizard. <TPW{}; ~ } >

pdb

I'm a newbie, so this subject may have been beaten to death, but I have a
problem.

A couple of times a day my 7 year old Bulldog begins an uncontrolled licking
motion. Not licking his feet, etc, just his tongue licking outward and
upward, several times per second, raising his head at the same time. This
lasts for about 10 mins, then he stops. Looks very much like when you give
a dog peanut butter. Constant lick for a few minutes.

On occasion, he has also had what my vet says are epileptic fits where his
head virbates for several minutes, tho this only occurs every few months.

Can anyone give me a clue as to what his licking problem might be?

I appreciate any light you can shed on this.

Paul

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY matty,


Jacobon's is WON possiblity, while Occam's Razor is NO possibilty.


You as a dog abusing lying sissy mental case
oughta know THIS:

From: Jeff Shirton (burlington@ontario.ca)
Subject: Occam's Razor?! You *gotta* be kidding me!
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon
Date: 2004-05-12 15:32:14 PST
"Guy R. Briggs" <netzach@GeoCities.com> wrote in message news:94E776B04netzachGeoCitiescom@216.196.97.142.. .

I have no less than *two* problems with "Occam's
Razor" here.

In the first place, it is nothing more than a
nice-sounding philosophy.

Occam's Razor has *never* been proven "true"
by any kind of rigourous proof.

In the second place, "Occam's Razor" would
*deny* the resurrection of Christ!

As any atheist would tell you, a cover-up and fake
"resurrection" is *far* simpler, and *far* easier to
believe, than a true post-death resurrection.

So why should I (or any Christian) accept "Occam's Razor"?

Once again, I think it speaks volumes that you have to make your
bed with the arguments of atheists in order to try how you are
the only one true "Christian" church.

--
Jeff Shirton jshirton at cogeco dot ca


Occam's Razor doesn't apply to G -d or dog behavior.

Your own dog Rocky is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE caused by you abusin him.

Occam's Razor tells you to look at his BRAIN.

COMMON SENSE tells us to look up your
posting history of hurtin dogs and lyin abHOWET
it.

Occam's Razor sez you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause it's not beneficial to yourself or
HOWER readers cause you're a dog abusing
lying mental case. Yet you continue to embarrass
yourself and disrespect The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forums: HOWEDY matty,
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Fri94F46AC19C22Daustralianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Generally they're a WONderful supplement.


Only a few of them are allergic, like any other food.


That so, matty? Where do you get your information?

It only takes a few minutes to train a dog not
to do STUFF like eat poison or jump fences
or dig holes or roam the neighborhood or
eat garbage or C-HOWENTER surf or any
other behavior, don't it, matty.


You mean, if you don't know HOWE to t rain
a dog, matty?

BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

You're a liar and dog abuser a coward and
a mental case, matty. And that's HOWE
COME you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE. Ain't it.

"Rocky" <2dogsREMOVE@rocky-dog.com.invalid> wrote in message news:Fri95106DE4D21E5australianshepherdca@rocky-dog.com...


Yeah. Bribing fear aggressive dogs often makes them attack.

You think he should roll over on his back
an piss hisself and ask for a belly rub, matty?

You think you're gonna FOOL the dog, matty?


That so? HOWE you gonna praise the dog
for lookin at you if you're not lookin at him?

You mean he should look like a construction crane?


Yeah. This'd probably be a real good time for
some Zen breathin, eh matty?


tara o. aka tee is a lying dog abusing
mental case who murdered her own
DEAD DOG for THE SAME PROBLEM.

You remember that, don't you, matty.

That's idiocy, matty.


BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

Your pals melinda shore and melanie and
a couple other lying dog abusing punk thug
cowards TOLD YOU their dogs TURNED on
folks trying to bribe them to be friends.


So far, it's taken melanie three years workin
with the university of PA behaviorist and
psychotropic drugs with NO success. marie
has been working on her dog Macula for three
years and five trainers with NO success. leah
(a PROFESSIONAL trainer) took her dog to
a BEHAVIORIST a couple weeks ago for dog
aggression with NO success. liea altshuller's
dog Cubbe has bitten her only friend and tried
to attack two children and attacked a neighbor's
dog.

Your own dog Rocky is DYIN of STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


You're a liar and dog abuser and coward, matty.
Here's proof:
"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

He's a MENTAL CASE.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
****-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.


That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer, discoverer of cannibalism
in Labradors.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d ape growling into his throat and bite IT
on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
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From: Beth F (dawg@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning"
<rainmaid@att.net> wrote:

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was
a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize
with you- i received a great deal of hostility for not
getting my dogs barking and whining under control
at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard
enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and
treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and
NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after
i got him in the eye it was not a possibility
to be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four
mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik
barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not
because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the
other reasons folks here are going to tell me that
dogs bark- he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK
BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed
the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a
total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its
outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping,

I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark
drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing -
but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar. He understands that
when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this
point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have
been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when
left alone in the car at people or while in the crate.
I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks
to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax
about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several
weeks while in these situations the training wears off
- so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he
wears the collar as a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of
training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the
bad guy and he is completely in control of the
correction. Clearly he understands what causes the
correction. And I am not counting on my own powers
of timing and accuracy to create the correction.

--BethF, Anchorage, AK
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2DDD1@earthlink.net> rhurwitz@earthlink.net writes:

Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:

http://www.powells.com/

Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.

Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

================================================== ======

Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY sinofabitch,

Well yeah, he COULD, on accHOWENT of
the PHYSICS of SCENT.


IOW, could be the dog is using he gland.

Could be both though. Could be neither. Either
way, there's NO ARGUMENT that it COULD BE.

That so? Don't you ever get the urge to scent
stuff like after you've attacked a dog you was
walking and threw it to the grHOWEND and
grHOWELED into it's throat an bit IT on ITS ear?


Dogs likeWIZE chatter their teeth to communicate.
Kinda like when you throw a dog to the grHOWEND
and grHOWEL into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears.

That so? What's it considered when you
attack a dog and throw IT to the grHOWEND
and grHOWEL into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears?


When you attack a innocent dog you been jerkin
and chokin on your pronged spiked pinch choke
collar and throw IT to the grHOWEND and grHOWEL
into ITS throat and bite IT on ITS ears, what do
you call THAT?

Is that the actions of a feral dog you're copyin
or is that a case of human mental illness?

Kinda like a horse might do?

Could be it's a STRESS induced seizure from
some dog abusing mental case throwin IT to
the grHOWEND and grHOWELIN into ITS
throat and bitin IT on ITS ears like you done
that little puppy to leash train IT?


Well then, we got sumpthin we can work
with cause most "epilepsy" is CAUSED by
dog absusers mishandling dogs and lyin abHOWET it.


Well then, we KNOW that's a fault of trainin,
not the dog having seizures.

Then the ODDS ARE GOOD that we can
break the behavior NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Jerry says:
HOWE'S the baby's seizures?

parentadlitem says:
better

Jerry says:
got any idea how much better?

parentadlitem says:
not really

parentadlitem says:
she doesn't do em here that i see

Jerry says:
amazing

Jerry says:
when's the last time she seized with you?

parentadlitem says:
weeks ago?

Jerry says:
but before the machine it was daily?

parentadlitem says:
every minute!

Jerry says:
does her mom use it at her HOWES?

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i yelled at her about it

Jerry says:
ask her when's the last time she saw a seizure for me

parentadlitem says:
k . she's sleepin now, ill talk to her tonight, she's comin
over

Jerry says:
yeah... that's pretty good stuff

parentadlitem says:
yup

parentadlitem says:
i love mine

parentadlitem says:
no barkin the neighborhood at all anymore

parentadlitem says:
ever

Jerry says:
right

parentadlitem says:
once in a blue moon some distant dog will bark

parentadlitem says:
but all the neighbors dogs are quiet

Jerry says:
when you hear that distant dog throw the machine on

parentadlitem says:
we do

parentadlitem says:
it's really rare though

================= sinofabitch writes:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."


"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.


BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >