the puppy wizard

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

So you KILL them TO BE FAIR.

A dog is a dog.


Like your pal FRAUDreck... then he shocks them.


INDEEDY. Where she shows DOG LOVERS like
you HOWE to HURT TORMENT and KILL dogs.

Well, some of us just ain't DECISION MAKERS, like yourself...


A dog lover, like yourself... learnin HOWE to HURT
and KILL shelter dogs, instead of learnin HOWE
to REHABILITATE them NEARLY INSTANTLY,
cause there's MOORE dogs who deserve the
chance to be jerked and choked for three weeks
till IT becomes FEAR AGGRESSIVE and then
you KILL IT, to be fair.

What DID she DO with THAT dog?


HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
"Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:37cd72a9.0310171926.7d8ff936@posting.google.c om...

news:<voup8orpch8b9@corp.supernews.com>...

He's defending your alleged right to HURT
and KILL dogs as you see fit.

That so? Who among you has NOT MURDERED
WON OF YOUR OWND DEAD DOGS, or HAD
WON MURDERED by a family member who
made that decision for you?

Who among you has NOT BEEN ABUSED as
a child.

Who among you has not been on prescribed
psychotropic anti psychotice medications.

Go ahead and DENY IT. It's all in The Puppy Wizard's Archives.

The Puppy Wizard is the ONLY WON who got
WON answer for ALL behavior and temperament
and the stress related DIS-EASES.


The hallmark of a E***PERT.


The OP did nuthin but try to live from day
to day as best he can.


You mean by ignoring the dogs as you recommended?


By stompin at them as you recommended?


By trying to force control?

By scolding and correcting him?

Right. That's your favorite method. As it is your
partner sindy SADIST mooreon who's been
BANNED from two obedience clubs for brutality,
author of HOWER faqs pages, personal pal of
Master Of Deception blankman like yourself.


The koehler method is proven dangerHOWES
for man and beast and was banned in Arizona
as CRUEL. ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN recommend
koehler and shocking dogs.


Yeah. The WON that gets 100% TOTAL SUCESS, NEARLY INSTANTLY.
<snip>


Now maybe you'll answer this:

HERE'S a couple of questions that have
STUMPED THE THUGS:

Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.

"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will continue
to mess in the house. An indelible impression can
sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of
long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals
and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are
REALLY stupid. J.H.)

"Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT,
Sadist, rpdb regular.

"I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar,
noted dog abuser.

HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don't think he's
coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the
same mistake, just because you're mad at him, instead
of just TRAINING him???

See what I mean? You can't justify that.

Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn't be
barking? That is, until the beatings take effect,
after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of
long duration??? It's IN THE BOOK.

Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want
to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who
beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the
floor in a room you've restricted him to for this purpose,
and then tied him next to a forced accident?

And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog
who objects to his training, why does he HANG
the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching
them there's nothing to be afraid of???

That's the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer.

The answer is OBVIOUS.

koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS

HOWE MUCH brains does it take to beat a dog
every twenty minutes for the same mistake you've
tied it next to???

But I might like shooting them with a sling shot or
BB gun better, you know, to teach the dog to WANT
to stay at home

Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer
endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog's behavior,
NOT the dog."

Psychoclown wrote:

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."

You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???

Ask PROFESSOR DERMER to tell us HOWE
the dog understands koehler coming back every
twenty minutes to punish him again for the same
mistake he's tied him up next to, to housetrain him???

Go ahead and ASK HIM. The dirty COWARD won't
talk to me about it. He won't talk to Marilyn about it,
and he can't say SHE'S been INCIVIL WITH HIM.

We know HOWE SENSITIVE our koehler trainers are...

Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt
that you've conveniently placed, and descend on him.
He'll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and
reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or,
if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him up with a hitch
on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or
even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.)

While he's held in close, lay the strap vigorously against
his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the
bitter end.

A real whaling now may cut down somewhat
on the number of repeat performances that will
be necessary. When you're finished and the dog is
convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think
things over while you catch your breath. After fif**** or
twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the
area again."

"There's much wisdom in koehler," deana pace.
(Her dogs run away from home.)

"Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he
understands.)

"Read koehler & cindymorons k-9 web faq's page," ludwig smith.

"Don't let him do that & read cindymooreon's web page," boob maida.

Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and
says:

"I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the
benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF
YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of
"twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH
SPIKES).

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.

REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.

I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).

I would never advise anyone to slap a dog
(SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you
expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???).

I do not believe there is a single cir***stance, ever,
where slapping a dog is anything but destructive."

RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff
doesn't mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama....

amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch

even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against
that

if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the
shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even
the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

the puppy wizard

Subject: HELP! Life or death (for the dog) situation - N.I.L.I.F.
"It is easier to say "shut up" quietly and firmly than "quiet"."
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.med.veterinary,
rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.misc
Date: 2003-08-08 05:32:13 PST


HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

From: Chris Kosmakos (chriskoz@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: HELP! Life or death (for the dog) situation
Date: 1998/10/19
: Chris (chris@deletethis.panamex.com) wrote:

What you'd do is what CAUSES this kind of behavior
in the first place

You mean, it takes a high degree of physical skill to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?


The longer the better, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER' lynn, as that
will afford you MOORE opportunities to contradict yourself,
so The Puppy Wizard can E***POSE you as the liar and
dog abuser you are.


Crating often increases anxiety and reinforces phobias.


O.K... you mean, 23 HOWERS a day.

What kind of crate do you recommend? They usually cost
fifty bucks or MOORE. Can't they just lock the dog in a closet?


SHOWENDS NICE!

1. 2 obedience sessions a day, 20 minutes each.

The Puppy Wizard recommends five minutes a day, or every other day.


The dog only knows "NO!". You got any recommendations?

2. Do not praise physically, only verbally.

AMAZING! You got WON right! FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS!

3. 1 long down/stay a day, 30-60 minutes.

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Is that done during the twenty minute "work" session?

Trying to force an untrained aggressive dog to stay
dHOWEN for a HOWER is a DEATH SENTENCE
..
4. 2 eye contact sessions a day. BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


You're gonna do that twice a day, INSTEAD of PRAISING EVERY BRIEF
EYE CONTACT to condition the dog to
thinking good thoughts every time IT looks at you?

5. Have dog sleep in bedroom - in a crate or HIS bed.
NOT the human bed.

You mean, when the dog isn't in his 23 HOWER a day lockdHOWEN?

6. 3 times a week do a round robin recall, with more than
4 people in a circle. Call the dog in random order and
praise lavishly every time the dog comes. Very good for
both shy and aggressive dogs.

Yeah, that may be very good, but that won't do nuthin for
the dog's aggression. Is that in addition to the two twenty
minutes a day sessions and 23 HOWER lockdHOWENS?

7. Aerobically exercise the dog 4 times a week. Minimum
daily walks,small dog - 1/4 mile, medium - 1/2 mile,
large - 1 mile.

BWWWHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

8. Feed 2 times a day, early morning and early afternoon,
if possible. If his stomach is full he will be a calmer dog.

BWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

9. Eliminate food treats for 4 weeks.

BWWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

The Puppy Wizard never relies on treats.


That'll increase anxiety and teach greed.

10. Only pet dog 5 seconds at a time, in response to
a command.

BWWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

11. Limit talking to the dog.

That's CONTRAWIZE to The Puppy Wizard's teachings.


To TALK to the dog?


You mean, on accHOWETnt of dogs can't talk, or they would?

That so ? You care to explain HOWE that works?

12. If he asks for attention, make him earn it through
performing a command.

For his WON daily treat? That'll teach the dog to pester
them for a treat or will alienate him when he feels rejected
and frustrated.

13. Don't let him go up stairs or through a door first. That's IDIOCY.


That so? Care to explain HOWE that mechanism works?


Together... Oh. You mean, togetherness, as in the daily
stare and exercise and lockup sessions?

14. 1 toy at a time, scented with the owner's scent.
Put it in the clothes hamper to scent it.

IRRELEVANT.

15. Fetch is the only allowed game. If he won't give
the toy back, ignore him, then put the toy away after
he drops it.

BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

16. Make him move whenever he's in the way.

THAT will PISS HIM OFF. THAT'S HOWE COME the
dog won't get off the bed when asked.

17. Scold mistakes,

To teach him TRUST LOVE and RESPECT, as in HOWER
good professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S method?


You mean, between low grHOWEling tones to hissin,
like a snake?

18. Change the words used to scold.
To make FRIENDS?


THAT SO? The Puppy Wizard never thought of THAT!!!
Thanks! Time for you to be quiet... in three different tones!

19. Sapy or neuter this aggressive dog, if not already done.

Oh? S/N makes 15% of dogs aggressive. Perhaps THAT'S
HOWE COME IT is aggressive?

20. 2 times a week do a suprise down, when he least
expects it.It is a sudden command and must be
obeyed quickly.

Yeah? You think the dog ain't gonna BITE THEM doin that???
The Puppy Wizard sez, that's a DEATH SENTENCE.

21. Keep hellos and goodbyes calm and neutral. BWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


Right. It's a lot of HARASSMENT and will provoke the dog
BIG TIME, and GET IT DEAD.


Yeah, instead of training and conditioning...


The 23.5 HOWERS in the box is the ONLY thing
they'll be able to do consistantly, IF the dog don't
ATTACK them when they try to lock IT in the box.


Here's your other half wit pal:

from: Andrea Stone (andrea.stone@sierra.com)
Subject: Re: HELP! Life or death (for the dog) situation Date: 1998/10/19
<snip excellent suggestions>

What she said!

I would even take it a tiny bit further : He must obey a
command, such as sit, or down, before he is fed as well.

No effusive affection.. but Lynn said that already...

Dominance over the dog by training, not by force.

--
Andrea Stone


----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.


Hey J,

I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.

The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.

I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.

I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.

The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.

Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.

I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.

See ya,

Paul

===============


Here's two Pauls:

Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From: p@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsenddog@aol.com

Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.

My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.

When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.

I will write to Amanda about the video.

I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.

Thanks again Paul

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST

It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.

My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-)

I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.

The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is
food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go
out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.

Paul

--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.

See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html

Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!! ====================
"Paul B" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3edc57c5@clear.net.nz...


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie@clear.net.nz>
To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69@hotmail.com>; <Amanda@DCFWatch.com>
Cc: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: Jerry Howe


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=======================


Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?

Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Date: 2000/10/21

Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.

Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.

Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.

Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.

I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your
dog thinking then responding everytime.

Paul

=======================


From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

========================

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY culprit,

culprit has a low tolerance for patience intellect and honesty.


We've certainly got HOWER hands full with
insipid topposters here abHOWETS.


Only a goddamned NAZI would top post.


Sheesh! And The Puppy Wizard don't even go "sheesh."


Ahhhh, nHOWE you're talkin The Puppy Wizard's language.


INDEED. That's HOWE COME we go "hunh?" Huh?


You see lotsa things all the time and copy them.
It's called allelomimetic behavior. Like when your
dog sees you SCRUFF SHAKE and INTIMIDATE
IT and copies you when he's addressin your kids
crawlin all over him on the living room floor.

Right. Whilst we're on it, please mind your line breaks.


Oh, you want top postin, read Soup's posts, he's notoriHOWES
for top postin... and this:

low bandwidth (280k) http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE3.ram
high bandwidth (1.9mb) http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE.ram

NHOWE THAT'S TOP POSTIN, eh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Eh?

there,

Ahhh, never sell The Puppy Wizard short...

Well, that's HOWE COME you gotta put NINNYBOY in the
subject header and snip cross posts. You know, that shit's
recorded in The Puppy Wizard's Archives FOREVER.

perplexed

INDEEDY. Who'da thunk there'd be a couple dozen MENTAL
CASES here all postin to the same forums?


Oh? There was too much information for you, that's all.
It's a common occurence here abHOWETS. NoWON
can believe their own eyes... huh.


That's TPW, thank you. INDEED. It's HOWER DOG LOVERS
and SHELTER and RESCUE DOG LOVERS who HURT and
KILL HOWER BEST DOGS cause THEY FEAR the domestic
puppy dog and are EMBARRASSED by the behaviors they do
not possess the intellect to HOWEtwit.


We'll discuss that later.

O.K. We'll discuss it nHOWE. You been LIED TO by
the E***PERTS who HURT and KILL dogs. Any questions?


INDEEDY. You will. And you'll KNOW they're LIARS DOG
ABUSERS and ACTIVE MENTAL CASES.

And you couldn't believe all the INFORMATION you read.


Top postin INDEED.

It's not just HOWER mental cases, it's the party line.


On accHOWENT of they're DOG ABUSERS and MENTAL CASES.

You ain't done nuthin but believed what your pet professionals
told you... and they was DEAD WRONG.


Of curse you wouldn't do sumpthin as DESPICABLE as THAT
on puporse. Besides, copying The Puppy Wizard's posts can
get you KILLFILED. That's HOWE COME you gotta put
NINNYBOY in the subject header.


The Puppy Wizard appreciates and encourages civil discussion.

No problem Lost In Space. Just watch HOWET for that
top postin and don't forget to put NINNYBOY in the
subject header, according to professor SCRUFF SHAKE
and ed w's of PET LOSS dot COIN's instructions.


Right... you're just bein MENTAL.


You're a freakin goddamned MENTAL CASE.


That so? You're a liar.

That so? You read The Puppy Wizard's posts FIRST
and reply to them with false screen names before the html is dry.

LIS just can't BELIEVE the MENTAL CASE HISTORIES and
DOG ABUSE and LIES The Puppy Wizard provided.


INDEEDY! Cause IT'S ALL PROVEN FACT.

Ain't it, CRAZY PERSON.

You mean the lies, dog abuse, and mentally ill stuff?
You been rotatin your meds like nessa's doctor sez?


Yeah, we wouldn't wanna EMBARRASS noWON.


INDEED. That's on accHOWENT of you're the
chief MENTAL CASE who hurts her dogs and
lies abHOWET it. Enjoy your class graduation!


Well, that's all part of bein a MENTAL CASE, ain't it.


INDEED? You failed to put NINNYBOY in the
subject header culprit. Are you goin MENTAL
or are you just bein LAZY STUPID or OBSTINATE?

Or are you not rotating your meds like you suppHOWESED to?


Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
forward so that others like her will have the
strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
she is one of our most entertraining regulars

Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
about her mental illness/crazy problems.
Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
being crazy, aka wacked in the head


culprit standing up for herself against rude and
condescending Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------


well i wouldn't consider myself mentally healthy. though
i'll refrain from calling myself ill if it makes you feel
better. and no, ADD is not the major problem, i certainly
know that, i just mentioned it because of the impulsivity issues.

i wasn't trying to imply i'm disabled by it.

but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
the more fun.

i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
"people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
across as though you would be able to handle any of these
illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.

well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would have a more productive life if i denied my problems.

i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.

-kelly
--------------------------------------------

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 08:47:43 PST
"Gwen Watson" <gwen@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:3F842E58.965AAF30@ig.utexas.edu...


yeah, i'm pretty sure i could qualify for all sorts of disability
stuff (the
OCD and ADD are just the tip of my iceberg). but i don't. i know
i can
function well enough to do my job, i'll leave the benefits for
those that
really need them.

mine is mostly a social impairment. go figure. :-)

-kelly

From: sighthounds etc. (greypighound@ncweb.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST


On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<gwen@ig.utexas.edu> wrote:


I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel that
the
US is turning into a nation of victims. And please, don't anybody
jump all over me, because I am not talking about anyone
personally.
Everything seems to be a compensatable (not sure if that's
actually a
word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are physically disabled or
mentally ill, what's 'normal'?

Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is, and
therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But life
isn't
about who you are and what you've got, it's what you do with it.
For
me anyway, the more I think of myself as partially disabled, the
more
I am that way.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.

Mustang Sally

---------------------


"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.


MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only
fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't
mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
------------------------------------------


here is our latest crazy person update, including our
latest wacko, kelly aka, culprit, a systems engineer
at Microsoft, proving that Bill Gates does not discriminate
against crazy people.


RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 10/9/03


-----------------------------------------------
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???


I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT?

Better report to Soup and update your MENTAL ILLNESS
status. The Puppy Wizard wouldn't wanna push you over
the goddamned edge and see you HURT YOURSELF
from EMBARRASSMENT.

Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING!
list as of 10/09/2003:


list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homo***uals

=======================================


NESSA Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP
NUTCASE (Most Valuable Psycho) of dog newsgroups
MVP Nessa blames all the problems in her life most on
ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronymval which encapsulates
her futility for her psycho her dog bagel has
used her house liberally as a toilet since February of 2002.
Drives a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in suburban MD, recently
got a raise/promotion to US goverment grade 11
(circa $50,000) and promptly decided she couldn't afford her
two dogs. With help from non crazy regular (Paulette) and
witchcraft practicing regular Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to
keep her dogs for the time being. She is undergoing training
from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery and getting Run Over for
the Family Pet." Her results have not been dramatic.


CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
Leah helping Nessa
=============================
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote

Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote:
"As far as the depression goes, it's not
related to Bagel at all. I have chronic
major depression and I'm just having
a flare." Leah asks


yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
I have been for over 10 years.

--nessa


Nessa is Fat as well as crazy
=============================
"For what it's worth...

I picked up 30 pounds when I started
Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
20 on risperidol.

I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and
now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.

Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
The positive effects
are too much to part with."

--nessa

NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
==============================

Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is
Martin Stein
1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
Suite 907
Arlington Va 22209
703-807-2471
email 75120.2296@compuserve.com


Marty is wonderful. He is really the best.
He has also given me permission to post his
infomation on this Newsgroup. If you call
him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
sent you.

--nessa


ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS
=============================

from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com)

Hi,

I often have to rotate my stimulants.
You can become used to them and sometimes
need a different one for a while. Until I
got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
Dexedrine every 3 months or so.

It is true that anti-depressants or
anti-anxiety pills will help with the
stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
a switch from cylert to something else might
be in order.

warm thoughts,
Nessa


Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
forward so that others like her will have the
strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
she is one of our most entertraining regulars

Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
about her mental illness/crazy problems.
Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
being crazy, aka wacked in the head


culprit standing up for herself against rude and
condescending Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------

but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
the more fun.

i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
"people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
across as though you would be able to handle any of these
illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.

well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would
have a more productive life if i denied my problems. i tried it
for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.

-kelly
--------------------------------------------

MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
(super psycho results at several large pharmaceutical corps
bitch lunatic has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
queen of the drug treatment in the book, and then some:
mentally prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
****ed in the head

effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,clomid,

has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."

--MaryBeth

"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."

--MaryBeth

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself "
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"

--MaryBeth

Theresa (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
Willis Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
gang attack people with her pal shelly

shelly
couvrette Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
for mental illness, but claims she does
not take it,
resulting in an obsessive basket case
online persona. Posts more than any
other female in all dog newsgroups
(familial mental illness, possibly related
to family bed) obsessively starves her
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
not herself (see below). Still thinks
of herself as a five year old ballerina
despite the fact that she is a fat
adult in her mid thirties.

lynn RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1
kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer.

Murders dogs because of insurance rates
Her brother was attacked by a Golden
Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she murders easily
trainable dogs. Condemns dogs to
death who are easily trainable.
Is nice to people in person, but
her true dog hating nature comes
out on newsgroups with
extreme clarity.


Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems.

Leah is improving as a dog trainer and wants
to open her own training/boarding kennel soon.
This drives her fellow mentally ill regulars nuts
(read shelly), especially if Leah succeeds while
other loonies continue to sit on their fat behinds

Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years
prior to her marriage. During her
marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my
marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as
chemical simply because of our too human
ability to prolong the impact of the
causal situations indefinitely"

Sounds like more denial, see leah

Tara is also a drunk who has also had
problems with other substances

TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:

"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they
are separate issues.....so which camp does
that put me in???)"

"Believe it or not, some people don't have
a problem with drugs even though they are
alcoholics. I'm not one of those people,
but they do exist."

aka, tara has problems with both

Kevin various mental illness drugs, started with
Michael zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
Vail antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy


Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)

Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)

Charlie drugged out, crazy, ****ed up all his
Wilkes life, Christ the shit he's been through
including psych wards and electroshock
treatments but now pulling down major cash
as a business consultant. Triumphing over
adversity, with a damn good life and a
well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
One of our most lucid regulars, despite
(or maybe because of?) a penchant for dope
smoking.


Karen
DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for years
aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her out
of it. Some of her best friends "are
certifiable" and have various degrees of
psychoses. Familial mental disability.
Refuses to say whether or not she is
currently using drug or cognitive therapy
for mental illness.

Mike
"DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
Dufort with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)


Jim "Brain
Shivers" Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
Sabatke because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
the "brain shivers"

From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST

EFFEXOR
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me. The only down side is
that my blood pressure has elevated
somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
be really bad.

Good luck!

Jim"

"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
time."

Jim

"After several years on Effexor IR, my
pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
experienced fairly severe Effexor
withdrawel until I went back to the IR."

Jim

<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders
specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come
forward, we can help each other with our problems.

Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or
idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).

Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and
have been added to this by mistake, so we can make
our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list.
--
mental health weekly

===========================================

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY ~shelly,


Perhaps LIS is havin a MENTAL breakdHOWEN?


INDEEDY. You ARE polite.


INDEED. Which crap? The QOTED LIES, MENTAL
ILLNESS, or DOG ABUSE?

'stuff'.

Oh. That was just the MENTALLY ILL list. The Puppy
Wizard will gladly provid a other 20KB of LIES and
DOG ABUSE. Happy nHOWE?

Right. We wouldn't wanna squander bandwidth.


Yeah. When text ain't there, it IS EZ to read, ain't it,
you goddamned MENTAL CASE.

That so? NAME WON?

That so? Ain't been like that for YEARS. You like
to COMPLAIN abHOWET STUFF to justify covering
up for the truth, that you're a Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Coward MENTAL CASES... eh? Huh? Huh?

SEE???

You're havin a PSYCHOTIC REACTION to The Puppy
Wizard. That's HOWE COME it's called The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME. You got it BAD.


We wouldn't wanna be IMPOLITE when we're HURTIN
DOGS and LYING abHOWET it.


INDEED. Better trim cross posts an put NINNYBOY
in the subject header or you'll be KILLFILED by HOWER
DOG ABUSERS LIARS and MENTAL CASES.

That be The Puppy Wizard... dog lover.


Thank you! HOWE abHOWET SPAM? Do you get
a lotta SPAM from posting to your MENTALLY ILL DOG ABUSERS groups?

<me2@privacy.net>


replying to.

But they probably won't, so it's best to quote the entire text
so folks can SEE what's GOIN DHOWEN here abHOWETS.


referred!

Right. NHOWE you KNOW.

INDEED. Thank you.


That so? Like you, for E***AMPLE.


That's on accHOWENT of you ain't been rotating
your antipsychotic meds like nessa's doctor sez to.

stuff.

BWEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

You can't post here noMOORE.


INDEEDY. Better snip that to save bandwidth... eh? Huh?

INDEEDY. Thank you.


That so? You feel FREE of HIM/HER/IT? Seems HE is
everywhere all the time, ain't HE.

RIGHT! They're just MENTAL.


BWWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! You mean besides
you an culprit havin a PSYCHOTIC REACTION?


UNLESS THEY'RE MENTALLY ILL.

slide

That so? This ain't most ng's. This is The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum an
you can't post here noMOORE on accHOWENT of you're
a liar an a dog abuser an a MENTAL CASE.


You mean, KILLFILING, snipping cross posts, triming
text, and puttin NINNYBOY in the subject header?


Oh. You mean you don't WARN EVERYWON?


You mean, after your mental breakdHOWEN?


That so? Perhaps that's just your MENTAL ILLNESS
or your meds conflicting or maybe they just need to be
ROTATED like nessa's doctor sez you gotta do.


INDEEDY. It is. Your lying dog abusing MENTALLY ILL
pal dogstar716 A.K.A. accordin to The Puppy Wizard,
LOSTINSPACE666.

You been readin that in The Puppy Wizard's posts.

You know, the WONS you don't read cause HE'S in
your KILLFILE. You're OBSESSED by The Puppy Wizard.

You mean, KILLFILE The Puppy Wizard? You havin
a MENTAL breakdHOWEN or sumpthin?

Oh, no harm done. IN FACT, The Puppy Wizard
NEEDS you to post so HE can SHOW folks HOWE
MENTALLY ILL you are, indeed.


No problemo! The Puppy Wizard has folks PRAYIN
for him all over the Whole Wild World. Thanks anyHOWE.


INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you can't post here noMOORE, MENTAL PERSON.

newsgroups.

INDEEDY... if you're a LIAR, DOG ABUSER, or MENTAL CASE.


Right... just abused by a MENTALLY ILL DOG ABUSER and LIAR.

place.

Right. We was talkin abHOWET KILLIN DOGS. REMEMBER?


Yeah. KILLIN EM. Cause you and your pals LIKE to HURT
and KILL dogs to make yourselves FEEL POWERFUL and IN CONTROL.


writer.

INDEEDY. The Puppy Wizard has written the most forward
INFORMATION on trainin and behavior since descarte and
has corrected faults in Scott & Fuller's work and has DISCREDITED
nearly every veterinary behaviorst and trainer and child
psychologist HE'S come across.


INDEEDY. And that's gonna push you over the edge
of reality and into MENTAL ILLNESS.


NO PROBLEMO. THAT'S HOWE COME you gotta
snip cross posts and trim text and put NINNYBOY in the subject header.


Cause you'll make these critters breakdHOWEN and
have a psychotic reaction to The Puppy Wizard. It's
the same same same same SYNDROME they've
done to their dogs and children.

Ask anyWON.

Here's some lies and dog abuse.

Can you tell the truth from a lie?:


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.

You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?

Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?

"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"

You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?

Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?

Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.

Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...

And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."

"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.

You think a E***PERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...

terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a ****d
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of your palm.
"BethF" <dawg@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com...


news:<20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>...


"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?

matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.

Isn't that true, Marilyn?

Of course not, but THIS IS:

"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:a3h5qn$mra$1@uwm.edu...


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...

"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.

"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
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Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,

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Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."

Hanging

"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.

Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.

As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.

However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.

The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.

When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.

The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you

THE REAL "HOOD"

"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.

"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.

When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.

"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."

"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."

Are we havin FUN yet?

Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY kind2dogs,


Yeah. We're gonna discuss FAIRLY KILLIN hungry scared dogs.

INDEEDY... looks like they're goin schizoid again.


Well, we know the nature of a lurker who chooses
to post. You're READY to HURT or KILL your dog.


<snip tripe>


: ) SEE???

It ain't gonna get no goddamned better here abHOWETS fast.


You're a dog abuser a FRAUD and a MENTAL CASE, pups.

Ain't it, "TOO MANY NO KILL SHELTERS?"


Oh, indeed pups, indeedy. Look at you, you freakin hypocrite.


You can't post here noMOORE, pups.

From: canis55 (canis55@my-deja.com)
Subject: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25


In the early 1980s I think NASA sent some probe or something
whipping around Saturn and out into the far reaches of space.
The probe contains a digital recording of greetings from all
the people of Earth in 100 or so different languages.

On the side of the craft is etched a map showing its course
and place of origin, anatomical positioned figures of male and
female humans, and these words:

TO TEACH IF WE ARE CALLED UPON. TO LEARN IF WE ARE FORTUNATE.

Marilyn, you and I can do neither here. Your energies are
wasted and drained by this ng. Like a battered wife, you
return to the source of ridicule and abuse. You return to
those who would, like every bully I have ever stood up to,
paint themselves as the victims.

Unhealthy, Marilyn. Very unhealthy. Deadly to inspired and
empathetic dog training. When you just train dogs, watch and
feel the truth manifest itself, without trying to share your
experiences and observations with a resistant or hostile
audience, the training becomes more and more powerful with
each passing day.

Why come here and offer up for free, only to be dismissed or
disconfirmed, what dog owners are willing to pay top dollar
for? Better to take on a couple of pro bono cases every month
and at least see your energies come to some good.

Marilyn,

Let the dead bury the dead. Aye, and let the dead marry the
dead! --
***
===========================


From: canis55 (canis55@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25


Good luck. Keep it short. Stay with the original point. Take
out every underhanded device of disconfirmation and post it
back at them so they may see it for what it is. You are not a
dog on a prong collar. Do not let them jerk you around like
one.

My indignation is their greatest asset in deception. I cannot
maintain my equanimity and so cannot stay.
In article <8gj8i6$4f9$1@gxsn.com>,
"Marilyn Rammell" <marilyn_rammell@hotmail.com> wrote:

===================


From: Marilyn Rammell (marilyn_rammell@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell! Date: 2000/05/25
"canis55" <canis55@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8gi0f0$a9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com...

Had I not been here Canis55, I wouldn't have had the pleasure
of meeting your good self... That, if nothing else is worth
the price. However, there is always something to learn here - everyday.


Dogs are our best teachers Canis55. However, they inturn
deserve the best from us. Some of the hostile audience will
learn ..... as does even the most abused dog - it's not their
fault! If there be just one person and one dog a month that
benefit here, our efforts are worthwhile.

Better to do both - who needs sleep anyway :-)

best wishes as always, Marilyn


=================


From: canis55 (canis55@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25


Good luck. Keep it short. Stay with the original point. Take
out every underhanded device of disconfirmation and post it
back at them so they may see it for what it is. You are not a
dog on a prong collar. Do not let them jerk you around like
one.

My indignation is their greatest asset in deception. I cannot
maintain my equanimity and so cannot stay.
In article <8gj8i6$4f9$1@gxsn.com>,
"Marilyn Rammell" <marilyn_rammell@hotmail.com> wrote:

====================

From: Theresa Willis (twillis@sound.net)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25
In article <8gjcdp$90c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
canis55 <canis55@my-deja.com> wrote:


Once again, your powers of observation have failed you.

The persons who are trying to decieve are those unwilling to
provide viable facts and answer questions, not the people
asking the questions.

--Terri & Harlan

--

At least, I have integrity, and admission of my
insanity, is proof of my credibility.

--Jerry "Two Minutes of Abuse" Howe 11/4/99
http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html


From: canis55 (canis55@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell! Date: 2000/05/26
In article <8gjf6e$b8l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Theresa Willis <twillis@sound.net> wrote:

Have a look at *once again*. Janet Boss was the only one with
enough honor to answer that post. What is there over 100 posts
in that thread? Where's all the answers from people who have
used the expression "when used properly"? Bunch of side
comment evasive garbage.

Keep going Willis.

I've stepped right up and hit your friends with the truth no
matter how insulting and disconfirming their tone of inquiry
has been. Smith, Hassen, Boyer, Finnochiaro. Actually
Smith was rather polite. K9 Deb, Cindi Long.

Who's questions have I not answered. Where have I lied
or hidden the truth? How often have I been one of
the few poeple in here capable of saying "I don't know"?
One of the few people in here able to apologize for some
exageration or unfounded accusation?

What the hell is a "viable" fact? One that can stand up to
scrutiny? That's not the alpha theory, or territorial marking,
or posturing, or any number of myths and anthropomorphic
notions which are still daily polluting this ng.

You really are an idiot Willis. WHO'S NOT ANSWERING
QUESTIONS HERE, you pig tailed spit flinger?

***


From: tibbi (tibbi@unique.being)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell! Date: 2000/05/26
In article <8gm75e$ueb$1@fnord.io.com>,
tittle@io.com (CindyTittle Moore) wrote:

He's reading through deja. Deja's doing work on the servers
(read this in another newsgroup) so he's probably not getting
all the posts.

--------------------

From: Nancy Holmes or Nelson Ruffin (fmkaffen@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25

Actually the funny thing is the people with a positive
training orientation keep getting driven off because of force
exerted by the folks who like force training in preference.
funny - hmm or is it? Nancy

canis55 <canis55@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8gi0f0$a9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com...


From: Theresa Willis (twillis@sound.net)
Subject: Re: Hello Rammell!
Date: 2000/05/25


On Thu, 25 May 2000 20:37:00 -0400, "Nancy Holmes or Nelson
Ruffin"
<fmkaffen@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


Not funny, because it's not true.

I train with a positive training orientation.
Lynn trains with a positive training orientation.
Amy trains with a positive training orientation.
Diane trains with a positive training orientation.
Cindy trains with a positive training orientation.

We're all still here.

--Terri & Harlan

the puppy wizard

That could drive WON absolutely MENTAL.


INDEED? You think any of these fruitcakes
would tolerate someWON takin their breakfast?:

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Subject: Re: my favorite food ))
Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic
Date: 2003-09-17 14:28:36 PST


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"Colleen" <{oopsh_5@hotmail.com}> wrote in message news:vmh9violjjf01@corp.supernews.com...

Oh. The brHOWEN WON must be thorazine...