the puppy wizard

HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser phd
psychoclHOWEN,

time.

NoWON cares abHOWET you marcel, you're a DOG ABUSER.


Must be terribly rewardin bein a scientist an all, eh marcel?


You mean, HURTIN DOGS?


Yeah. It gets pretty EMBARRASSING here abWOWETS, don't it, marcel.


You told perry to put mHOWEStraps in her flHOWER bed
to HURT a dog being indiscriminately walked on lead an
told perry to LIE if the dog's owner confronted her abHOWET HURTIN HIS DOG.

You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE, marcel. The
only thing we're wantin to hear from you is when your Haitian
wife DUMPS YOU cause she's got her papers in order nHOWE.


What good stuff, marcel? You HURT your dog. Your dog
has flunked puppy class and is afraid of other dogs and
grHOWELS at you when you retrieve the newspaper
(perhaps he's jealHOWES?) an grHOWELED at your
brother for two weeks when he visited cause he LOOKS LIKE YOU.

in Ottawa.

Thanks for the weather report, marcel. Most of us get a
update on the mornin news.


Well, that's not been mentioned on HOWER news reports.
Let's hope that's just a seasonal event...


You mean, what with Mooglie bolting at every leaf fallin?


Oh. SHOWENDS like pica. You can break him of picking them up.

Yeah... depending on his mood...


out.

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Moogli knows "drop it" or "don't take it" but you don't
know HOWE to train those commands, marcel the
imbecile idiot liar phd psychoclHOWEN.


What PROBLEM, marcel? Ain't no problem except
you HURTIN your dog. That's HOWE COME he's got pica.


Oh? The Puppy Wizard sez you shouldn't oughta try
to TAKE stuff from your dog or he'll learn to KEEP
IT and run HOWET on you with it so you'll chase him.


Every time you stop to take STUFF from his mHOWETH
he gets REWARDED for takin STUFF... and THAT'S
HOWE COME you can't stop him from doin it.


leaf.

That's on accHOWENT of you're a halfwit, marcel.

Cause he's makin a FOOL HOWETA YOU, marcel.


That's VERY entertraining to a puppy, marcel.


Yeah... sHOWENDS like pica allrighty. That's caused by ANXIHOWESNESS.


Well, yes it is, marcel. You just don't know the
meanin of BAD. You're BAD, marcel. You're
a liar and a dog abuser.


Right... a dead leaf is MOORE interesting than you are,
to your dog, anyHOWE. For Mrs. marcel, her only interest
in you is the immigration papers so she can bring her entire
Haitian family to the land of the free.


Well, it don't take much to entertrain a phd scientist...

No, you've MUTILATED him, he's a IT.


Oh? You think he should oughta dry pee, marcel?

Your dog's excessive "marking" is ANXIHOWESNESS.


Keep a log of Mooglie's urination habits marcel...


Yeah, like that. The time, too. And any other considerations surrHOWENDING the events.


Oh goody! He'll be turnin on you next...

There ya go!!! That's a log, like HOWE The Puppy
Wizard recommends you accHOWENT for each of
his marking events. GOOD JOB, marcel the phd.


Yeah, cause you spent six years in university
learnin HOWE to log your dog's wee wee events.

Well, that's just HOWE it IS.


That so? Been a year you been workin on that, eh marcel
the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser phd psychoclHOWEN?


Does he hump them like he does your leg?

RIGHT... cause he's UNTRAINED.


Thems he's SCARED of.


Cause you've SCARED him when trying to introduce him.

That's on accHOWENT of you mishandle and abuse him.

Think PHYSICS, marcel the imbecile.

Oh. You let his mom abuse him too? Doesn't
that make you jealHOWES, marcel?

That's in appupriate, marcel.

He's a VICTIM, marcel.

While you stand there like a big dumb marmaluke.


Perhaps that's the scientist comin HOWETA him, marcel?

after her. IMAGINE?


Right, he FEARS dogs.

You still moochin meals offa folks who work? Tough breakin
old habits ain't it, marcel. NHOWE that you're a real scientist
you oughtta be pullin dHOWEN enough dough to repay some
of the good folks you've mooched off of all those years.

Well marcel, Gen ain't gonna be there much longer.
She'll probably cross the border come the deep freeze
and she'll probably end up in Miami.

Oh. That's on accHOWENT of you're a halfwit, marcel.

That's on accHOWENT of he don't TRUST you, marcel.

was solved.

That's an illusion, marcel.

Say "ADIOS, Gen..."


Cause you've ABUSED HIM, marcel.


Haitians aren't particularly familiar with dogs, marcel.
Perhaps you should allHOWE her to study her FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual so she don't get HURT
again?

Hi, Jerry.

I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).

For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').

Best, ben ===================

Well, you can't let that happen, marcel. You gonna KILL
Mooglie for that nHOWE???


Think physics, marcel.


Yeah, we all been followin the weather updates...

Did they realize you're a imbecile?


INDEED. Except when he's swallowin stuff and bitin Mrs. marcel.


That IS exciting, ain't it.


Oh yeah... iams is GARBAGE.


Is that the brand that was just recalled cause it was killin dogs?


Cocobain, eh marcel?


Think PHYSICS, marcel.


Oh? Their fur changes?

gently wavy.

Ahhh... 'only her hairdresser knows for SHORE.'


IMBECILE.


--- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.


Hey J,

I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.

The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.

I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.

I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.

The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.

Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.

I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.

See ya,

Paul

=====================

"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-

Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:

CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.

Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com

Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-

There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-

The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.

The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.

The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-

The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
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(_o_) Have a great day!
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oo-oo

jokerpit

hit that nail on the head

news:3rtnb.7215$X22.3450@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
: HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser phd : psychoclHOWEN, :
: "Marcel Beaudoin" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message : news:Xns9421D4D455287mbeausympaticoca@130.133.1.4. ..
: >
: > As you may have noticed, I have been in lurk mode most of the
: time.
:
: NoWON cares abHOWET you marcel, you're a DOG ABUSER. :
: > Work has been getting busier,
:
: Must be terribly rewardin bein a scientist an all, eh marcel? :
: > so I have less time for amu*****t.
:
: You mean, HURTIN DOGS? :
: > I am still lurking and browsing,
:
: Yeah. It gets pretty EMBARRASSING here abWOWETS, don't it, marcel. :
: > but if you need to get my attention,
:
: You told perry to put mHOWEStraps in her flHOWER bed
: to HURT a dog being indiscriminately walked on lead an
: told perry to LIE if the dog's owner confronted her abHOWET
: HURTIN HIS DOG. :
: > it would probably be a good idea to ping me in a separate
: > message or to email me.
:
: You can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE, marcel. The
: only thing we're wantin to hear from you is when your Haitian
: wife DUMPS YOU cause she's got her papers in order nHOWE. :
: > Anyways...On to the good stuff.
:
: What good stuff, marcel? You HURT your dog. Your dog
: has flunked puppy class and is afraid of other dogs and
: grHOWELS at you when you retrieve the newspaper
: (perhaps he's jealHOWES?) an grHOWELED at your
: brother for two weeks when he visited cause he LOOKS : LIKE YOU. :
: > Winter is on its way, and fall is almost fully finished up
here
: in Ottawa.
:
: Thanks for the weather report, marcel. Most of us get a
: update on the mornin news. :
: > It is getting windier and most of the leaves have fallen.
:
: Well, that's not been mentioned on HOWER news reports.
: Let's hope that's just a seasonal event... :
: > This makes walks very intersting.
:
: You mean, what with Mooglie bolting at every leaf fallin? :
: > For some reason, Moogli likes the taste of leaves.
:
: Oh. SHOWENDS like pica. You can break him of picking them up. :
: > So, depending on his mood, the walks either go very
: > well, or, like this morning, take about twice as long.
:
: Yeah... depending on his mood... :
: > They take longer because he will go 4 or 5 steps, and pick
: > up a leaf. He still doesn't know "drop it" so I have to pick
it
: out.
:
: BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
:
: Moogli knows "drop it" or "don't take it" but you don't
: know HOWE to train those commands, marcel the
: imbecile idiot liar phd psychoclHOWEN. :
: > This intruduces a number of problems.
:
: What PROBLEM, marcel? Ain't no problem except
: you HURTIN your dog. That's HOWE COME he's : got pica. :
: > The first is that he is small, so that it isn't
: > the easiest thing in the world to grab his
: > head to get the leaf out.
:
: Oh? The Puppy Wizard sez you shouldn't oughta try
: to TAKE stuff from your dog or he'll learn to KEEP
: IT and run HOWET on you with it so you'll chase him. :
: > The second is that,
:
: Every time you stop to take STUFF from his mHOWETH
: he gets REWARDED for takin STUFF... and THAT'S
: HOWE COME you can't stop him from doin it. :
: > even when I have his head and am reaching for the
: > leaf, he can move his head just a little bit and I miss the
: leaf.
:
: That's on accHOWENT of you're a halfwit, marcel. :
: > And finally, when I am taking it out of his mouth (he does
: > know "give- it", sorta) he will let go a bit, then bite
again.
:
: Cause he's makin a FOOL HOWETA YOU, marcel. :
: > So I end up pulling the leaf out in 1cm long bits.
:
: That's VERY entertraining to a puppy, marcel. :
: > Then 4 steps later, it starts all over again.
:
: Yeah... sHOWENDS like pica allrighty. That's
: caused by ANXIHOWESNESS. :
: > However, it is not all bad.
:
: Well, yes it is, marcel. You just don't know the
: meanin of BAD. You're BAD, marcel. You're
: a liar and a dog abuser. :
: > The blowing leafs give hinm lots of exercise.
:
: Right... a dead leaf is MOORE interesting than you are,
: to your dog, anyHOWE. For Mrs. marcel, her only interest
: in you is the immigration papers so she can bring her entire
: Haitian family to the land of the free. :
: > When one goes blowing by on the road or lawn,
: > he *has* to try to catch it. Sometimes he does,
: > sometimes he doesn't, but it is pretty funny either way.
:
: Well, it don't take much to entertrain a phd scientist... :
: > Moogli is definitely getting older. : : INDEED? :
: > He is definitely a male,
:
: No, you've MUTILATED him, he's a IT. :
: > as he marks whenever he pees.
:
: Oh? You think he should oughta dry pee, marcel?
:
: Your dog's excessive "marking" is ANXIHOWESNESS. :
: > Most of the time it is one something vertical
: > (lamp post, tree, sign post), but every now
: > and then it is something different.
:
: Keep a log of Mooglie's urination habits marcel... :
: > A tall blade of grass, or a garbage bag.
:
: Yeah, like that. The time, too. And any other considerations
: surrHOWENDING the events. :
: > He has also got some new behaviours.
:
: Oh goody! He'll be turnin on you next... :
: > If you recall, there was one bush that he used
: > to do acrobatics on when he peed. He doesn't
: > do that any more, but he scratches afetr he pees
: > now. Probably about 25% of the time.
:
: There ya go!!! That's a log, like HOWE The Puppy
: Wizard recommends you accHOWENT for each of
: his marking events. GOOD JOB, marcel the phd. :
: > It is funny,
:
: Yeah, cause you spent six years in university
: learnin HOWE to log your dog's wee wee events. :
: > because he backs up about 5 feet when he does it, and gets
: > completely strectehed out.
:
: Well, that's just HOWE it IS. :
: > He is getting better at meeting other dogs his size.
:
: That so? Been a year you been workin on that, eh marcel
: the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser phd psychoclHOWEN? :
: > He has met a couple of min. schnauzers and a couple of
: > shih-tzus, and seems to get along with them. : : IMAGINE? :
: > He no longer has much of a problem with them
: > sniffing him, and usually sniffs them back. And
: > he *always* wants to play with them.
:
: Does he hump them like he does your leg? :
: > Unfortunately, it is always on our walks, and we
: > can't let him off-leash.
:
: RIGHT... cause he's UNTRAINED. :
: > At the dog park, there is only ever big dogs around,
:
: Thems he's SCARED of. :
: > and he doesn't really play with them.
:
: Cause you've SCARED him when trying to introduce him. :
: > He will follow behind them to see what they are doing,
: > but is always very careful to not get too close.
:
: That's on accHOWENT of you mishandle and abuse him. :
: > I think he still remembers getting run over by a
: > Bernese Mtn Dog once. : : Yeah... :
: > He still likes playing with his mom. : : IMAGINE? :
: > Now that he is older,
:
: Think PHYSICS, marcel the imbecile. :
: > their battles are a lot more even. : : Battles? :
: > She is still a bit meaner than him though.
:
: Oh. You let his mom abuse him too? Doesn't
: that make you jealHOWES, marcel? :
: > She is more likely to get really worked up than he is, and
: > get a really good grip on an ear or lip and start worrying
it.
:
: That's in appupriate, marcel. :
: > And Moolgi has developed a pretty good tolerance for
: : Being abused... :
: > the worrying as well.
:
: He's a VICTIM, marcel. :
: > He tries to get away from her for a while, and only yelps when
: > he can't.
:
: While you stand there like a big dumb marmaluke. :
: > Of course, once that happens, he usually forces her onto
: > her back and starts playing bitey-face with her, standing
: > over top of her. He is also starting to play with tpys with her.
: > At first, she would drop a toy in front of him, and he would
: > look at her with a "what do you want me to do with that"
look.
:
: Perhaps that's the scientist comin HOWETA him, marcel? :
: > Now, about 3/4 of the time, she can entice him into chasing
: after her. : : IMAGINE? :
: > He still isn't much for playing tug with another dog,
:
: Right, he FEARS dogs. :
: > but he *loves* chasing after Cocotte. When we are eating
: > supper at their place,
:
: You still moochin meals offa folks who work? Tough breakin
: old habits ain't it, marcel. NHOWE that you're a real scientist
: you oughtta be pullin dHOWEN enough dough to repay some
: of the good folks you've mooched off of all those years. :
: > we can see them playing in other parts
: > of the house. A lot of it involves hearing
: > them run, then a brief flash as they run
: > across the hall, a brief pause, and then
: > repeated the other way. : : AMAZING! :
: > Hilarious. : : INDEEDY. :
: > The need for Gen to spend more time working with
: > Moogli is also becoming evident.
:
: Well marcel, Gen ain't gonna be there much longer.
: She'll probably cross the border come the deep freeze
: and she'll probably end up in Miami. :
: > Most of the time, when Moogli grabs something he
: > isn't supposed to, I am the one who grabs it out.
:
: Oh. That's on accHOWENT of you're a halfwit, marcel. :
: > He has only once growled at me for taking something
: > out of his mouth, and that was with a very juicy bone.
:
: That's on accHOWENT of he don't TRUST you, marcel. :
: > 2 minutes later, after trading bones with him 7 or 8 times,
it
: was solved.
:
: That's an illusion, marcel. :
: > Earlier this week, while I was occupied, Moogli grabbed
: > something and ran into the bedroom. When Gen went to
: > grab it from him, he growled and bit her on the knuckle.
:
: Say "ADIOS, Gen..." :
: > She freaked out, crying. : : INDEEDY. :
: > Needless to say, he swallowed whatever it waws that he stole. : : Yeah... :
: > I also figured out why he bit her.
:
: Cause you've ABUSED HIM, marcel. :
: > After talking with her, I discovered that, preeviously, when
: > she was taking something from him, if he growled, she would
: > swat him.
:
: Haitians aren't particularly familiar with dogs, marcel.
: Perhaps you should allHOWE her to study her FREE
: copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
: Dog Training Method Manual so she don't get HURT
: again?
:
: Hi, Jerry.
:
: I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
: with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
: manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
: reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
: the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
: different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
: ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
: (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
: want to push and test me a little bit more).
:
: For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
: how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
: folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
: beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
: if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
: with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
: (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
: tho').
:
: Best, ben : : =================== :
: > Obviously, he was expecting to get hit this time, and
: > decided he would not!
:
: Well, you can't let that happen, marcel. You gonna KILL
: Mooglie for that nHOWE??? :
: > Some of you may recall that Gen is coach of her schools
: > cheerleading squad. Last sunday was the final regular season
: > game. Gen made Moogli a little uniform, and we brought him
: > to the football game. He was such a good little boy. He only
: > barked a couple of times. Twice at people running by i nthe
: > fans, and once when we first walked in (at the opposing team : ).
: > Other than that, he just stayed within a couple of feet of me : (he
: > was on a 6 foot leash).
:
: Think physics, marcel. :
: > The ground was a bit soggy, and it rained a couple of times,
:
: Yeah, we all been followin the weather updates... :
: > so he spent about 1/4 of the time tucked into my jacket to
: > warm up. All of the cheerleaders thought he was adorable.
:
: Did they realize you're a imbecile? :
: > He really was a good boy.
:
: INDEED. Except when he's swallowin stuff and bitin Mrs. marcel. :
: > We also changed foods.
:
: That IS exciting, ain't it. :
: > He finished his puppy food (IAMS)
:
: Oh yeah... iams is GARBAGE. :
: > and we switched to a different brand (Royal Canin).
:
: Is that the brand that was just recalled cause it was killin dogs? :
: > He is eating about the same amount as before (1/2-2/3 cup
: > a day) but his bms are a lot smaller. Hopefully he gains a bit
: > of weight (about 2-3 lbs is what I would like) as I can feel his
: > back hip-bones and spinal column near the back end.
:
: Cocobain, eh marcel? :
: > He was the runt of the litter, but has now turned out
: > to be bigger than his mom (height), but only by about
: > an inch. When they are running together in the dark, it
: > is almost impossible to tell one from the other
:
: Think PHYSICS, marcel. :
: > unless their fur is really long.
:
: Oh? Their fur changes? :
: > Hers tends to be very curly, while his is very straight and
: gently wavy.
:
: Ahhh... 'only her hairdresser knows for SHORE.' :
: > Marcel
:
: IMBECILE.
:
:
: --- Original Message -----
: From: Paul Bousie
: To: The Puppy Wizard
: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
: Subject: Geday.
:
:
: Hey J,
:
: I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
: old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
: only advice worth reading.
:
: The problem with your method J is that I can't
: answer the questions on the NG no more, people
: are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
: that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
: now really understanding that they are all result
: orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
: stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
: want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
: realising they create a new one as they deal with the last.
:
: I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
: don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
: they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
: after all if everyone says thats the way then it
: must be. I've finally realised people don't want
: to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
: they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
: downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
: they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
: they come squealing to the NG asking how to
: stop the dog being a dog.
:
: I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
: that I think demonstrates the way we approach
: dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
: cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
: behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
: something about the dog, all of them create what
: a dog is.
:
: The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
: the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
: can, problem is each one you stamp out another
: takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
: they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
: but thats the traditional way.
:
: Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
: all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
: that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
: inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
: circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.
:
: I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
: are critising something they don't even understand
: or even have the capacity to understand.
:
: See ya,
:
: Paul
:
: =====================
:
: "I know that most men, including those at ease with
: problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
: even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
: oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
: have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
: taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
: thread, into the fabric of their lives."
: -Leo Tolstoy-
:
: Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
: more complaints to my personal email than any other
: controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:
:
: CAVEAT
: If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
: would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
: them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
: dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
: shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
: punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
: are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
: punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
: can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
: trainer that knows HOWE.
:
: Thank you,
: Jerry Howe,
: Director of Research,
: BIOSOUND Scientific
: Director of Training,
: Wits' End Dog Training
: 1611 24th St
: Orlando, FL 32805
: Phone: 1-407-425-5092
: Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
: Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
: http://www.doggydoright.com
:
: Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
: -Francis Bacon-
:
: There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
: problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
: come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
: should, please, not hit at all.
: -Nietzsche-
:
: The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
: learned qualities.
:
: The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
: centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
: develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.
:
: The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
: praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
: timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
: corrections, and scolding.
: -Jerry Howe-
:
: The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
:
: ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
: ,-._,-,
: V)"(V
: (_o_) Have a great day!
: / V)
: (l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
: oo-oo
:
:
:

the puppy wizard

BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY shelly,

Only when he sez stuff that's not appupriate.


The Puppy Wizard never leaves no dHOWET when he posts...


Perhaps Will is learnin a dog is a dog and we
ain't got to HURT and INTIMIDATE them to train them?


The Puppy Wizard doesn't FEEL SORRY for noWON.
The Puppy Wizard is GRATEFUL for their words, which
HE QUOTES, to CRUCIFY YOU.


Pals ain't got nuthin to do with trainin...


The Puppy Wizard has studen's PRAYIN for HIM
all over the Whole Wild World... cause THAT'S
just HOWE IT IS when you rehabilitate a MIND.

It's either THAT, or roll over and piss yourself.


Looks like Will is makin PROGRESS in his evolution
as a human being. Too bad you don't have the honesty
or integrity to do likeWIZE.


NoWON needs a liar and a dog abuser and a mental
case to FEEL SORRY for them.


You don't LIKE The Puppy Wizard cause HE don't
HURT dogs to train them.


You've got a long record of hurtin dogs an lying
abHOWET it. --

You and your lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
MENTALLY ILL pals can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >

Here's the rHOWENDUP. For SHORE there's a few
strays, but we'll train Candace to shepherd them in for us: HOWEDY culprit,
"culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:bn7t56$u85ie$1@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de...

Chicken wire won't restrain a dog. It's for CHICKENS.

fence line.

You mean HURT the dogs to make them HAPPY, culprit?
That's HOWE COME dogs try to ESCAPE. Ask your mentally
ill pal liea altshuller. She can't contain Cubbe behind her shock fence.


You abuse your dogs and they fight each other.


Cause you know they'll ESCAPE cause you're a dog
abuser and a MENTAL CASE:


Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
forward so that others like her will have the
strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
she is one of our most entertraining regulars

Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
about her mental illness/crazy problems.
Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
being crazy, aka wacked in the head


culprit standing up for herself against rude and
condescending Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------


well i wouldn't consider myself mentally healthy. though
i'll refrain from calling myself ill if it makes you feel
better. and no, ADD is not the major problem, i certainly
know that, i just mentioned it because of the impulsivity issues.

i wasn't trying to imply i'm disabled by it.

but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
the more fun.

i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
"people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
across as though you would be able to handle any of these
illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.

well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would have a more productive life if i denied my problems.

i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.

-kelly
--------------------------------------------

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 08:47:43 PST
"Gwen Watson" <gwen@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:3F842E58.965AAF30@ig.utexas.edu...


yeah, i'm pretty sure i could qualify for all sorts of disability
stuff (the
OCD and ADD are just the tip of my iceberg). but i don't. i know
i can
function well enough to do my job, i'll leave the benefits for
those that
really need them.

mine is mostly a social impairment. go figure. :-)

-kelly

From: sighthounds etc. (greypighound@ncweb.com)
Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST


On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
<gwen@ig.utexas.edu> wrote:


I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel that
the
US is turning into a nation of victims. And please, don't anybody
jump all over me, because I am not talking about anyone
personally.
Everything seems to be a compensatable (not sure if that's
actually a
word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are physically disabled or
mentally ill, what's 'normal'?

Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is, and
therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But life
isn't
about who you are and what you've got, it's what you do with it.
For
me anyway, the more I think of myself as partially disabled, the
more
I am that way.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.

Mustang Sally

---------------------


"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.


MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only
fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't
mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
------------------------------------------


here is our latest crazy person update, including our
latest wacko, kelly aka, culprit, a systems engineer
at Microsoft, proving that Bill Gates does not discriminate
against crazy people.


RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 10/9/03


-----------------------------------------------
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???


I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT?

Better report to Soup and update your MENTAL ILLNESS
status. The Puppy Wizard wouldn't wanna push you over
the goddamned edge and see you HURT YOURSELF
from EMBARRASSMENT.

Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING!
list as of 10/09/2003:


list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homo***uals

=======================================


NESSA Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP
NUTCASE (Most Valuable Psycho) of dog newsgroups
MVP Nessa blames all the problems in her life most on
ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronymval which encapsulates
her futility for her psycho her dog bagel has
used her house liberally as a toilet since February of 2002.
Drives a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in suburban MD, recently
got a raise/promotion to US goverment grade 11
(circa $50,000) and promptly decided she couldn't afford her
two dogs. With help from non crazy regular (Paulette) and
witchcraft practicing regular Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to
keep her dogs for the time being. She is undergoing training
from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery and getting Run Over for
the Family Pet." Her results have not been dramatic.


CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
Leah helping Nessa
=============================
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote

Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote:
"As far as the depression goes, it's not
related to Bagel at all. I have chronic
major depression and I'm just having
a flare." Leah asks


yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
I have been for over 10 years.

--nessa


Nessa is Fat as well as crazy
=============================
"For what it's worth...

I picked up 30 pounds when I started
Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
20 on risperidol.

I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and
now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.

Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
The positive effects
are too much to part with."

--nessa

NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
==============================

Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is
Martin Stein
1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
Suite 907
Arlington Va 22209
703-807-2471
email 75120.2296@compuserve.com


Marty is wonderful. He is really the best.
He has also given me permission to post his
infomation on this Newsgroup. If you call
him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
sent you.

--nessa


ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS
=============================

from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com)

Hi,

I often have to rotate my stimulants.
You can become used to them and sometimes
need a different one for a while. Until I
got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
Dexedrine every 3 months or so.

It is true that anti-depressants or
anti-anxiety pills will help with the
stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
a switch from cylert to something else might
be in order.

warm thoughts,
Nessa


Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
forward so that others like her will have the
strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
she is one of our most entertraining regulars

Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
about her mental illness/crazy problems.
Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
being crazy, aka wacked in the head


culprit standing up for herself against rude and
condescending Mustang Sally
-----------------------------------------------

but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
the more fun.

i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
"people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
across as though you would be able to handle any of these
illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.

well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
would
have a more productive life if i denied my problems. i tried it
for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.

-kelly
--------------------------------------------

MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)

Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
(super psycho results at several large pharmaceutical corps
bitch lunatic has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
queen of the drug treatment in the book, and then some:
mentally prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
****ed in the head

effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,clomid,

has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."

--MaryBeth

"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."

--MaryBeth

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself "
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"

--MaryBeth

Theresa (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
Willis Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
gang attack people with her pal shelly

shelly
couvrette Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
for mental illness, but claims she does
not take it,
resulting in an obsessive basket case
online persona. Posts more than any
other female in all dog newsgroups
(familial mental illness, possibly related
to family bed) obsessively starves her
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
not herself (see below). Still thinks
of herself as a five year old ballerina
despite the fact that she is a fat
adult in her mid thirties.

lynn RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1
kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer.

Murders dogs because of insurance rates
Her brother was attacked by a Golden
Retriever when she was young. For
this reason, she murders easily
trainable dogs. Condemns dogs to
death who are easily trainable.
Is nice to people in person, but
her true dog hating nature comes
out on newsgroups with
extreme clarity.


Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems.

Leah is improving as a dog trainer and wants
to open her own training/boarding kennel soon.
This drives her fellow mentally ill regulars nuts
(read shelly), especially if Leah succeeds while
other loonies continue to sit on their fat behinds

Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years
prior to her marriage. During her
marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my
marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as
chemical simply because of our too human
ability to prolong the impact of the
causal situations indefinitely"

Sounds like more denial, see leah

Tara is also a drunk who has also had
problems with other substances

TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:

"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they
are separate issues.....so which camp does
that put me in???)"

"Believe it or not, some people don't have
a problem with drugs even though they are
alcoholics. I'm not one of those people,
but they do exist."

aka, tara has problems with both

Kevin various mental illness drugs, started with
Michael zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
Vail antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy


Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)

Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)

Charlie drugged out, crazy, ****ed up all his
Wilkes life, Christ the shit he's been through
including psych wards and electroshock
treatments but now pulling down major cash
as a business consultant. Triumphing over
adversity, with a damn good life and a
well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
One of our most lucid regulars, despite
(or maybe because of?) a penchant for dope
smoking.


Karen
DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for years
aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her out
of it. Some of her best friends "are
certifiable" and have various degrees of
psychoses. Familial mental disability.
Refuses to say whether or not she is
currently using drug or cognitive therapy
for mental illness.

Mike
"DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
Dufort with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)


Jim "Brain
Shivers" Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
Sabatke because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
the "brain shivers"

From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST

EFFEXOR
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me. The only down side is
that my blood pressure has elevated
somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
be really bad.

Good luck!

Jim"

"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
time."

Jim

"After several years on Effexor IR, my
pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
experienced fairly severe Effexor
withdrawel until I went back to the IR."

Jim

<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders
specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come
forward, we can help each other with our problems.

Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or
idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).

Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and
have been added to this by mistake, so we can make
our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list.
--
mental health weekly

===========================================

jokerpit

goooo puppy wizard


news:rdxnb.9841$FI2.9638@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net... : HOWEDY shelly, :
: "shelly" <scouvrette@bluemarble.net> wrote in message : news:Pine.BSF.4.56.0310281011250.71895@tesla.bluem arble.net...
: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, culprit wrote:
: >
: > >the funny thing is that PW trashes on willy too.
:
: Only when he sez stuff that's not appupriate. :
: > maybe SW's reading comprehension is so poor
: > he doesn't realize that PW is a big fat trolling
: > psycho who's poking fun at him?
:
: The Puppy Wizard never leaves no dHOWET when : he posts... :
: > >now he tacks his nothings onto every PW post,
:
: Perhaps Will is learnin a dog is a dog and we
: ain't got to HURT and INTIMIDATE them to train them? :
: > > in hopes that the PW will feel sorry for him
:
: The Puppy Wizard doesn't FEEL SORRY for noWON.
: The Puppy Wizard is GRATEFUL for their words, which
: HE QUOTES, to CRUCIFY YOU. :
: > > and be his friend.
:
: Pals ain't got nuthin to do with trainin... :
: > it's kinda like a sad, sad enactment of "Are You My Mother?"
:
: The Puppy Wizard has studen's PRAYIN for HIM
: all over the Whole Wild World... cause THAT'S
: just HOWE IT IS when you rehabilitate a MIND. :
: > > it must be sad to be so lonely you have to kiss
: > > ass to befriend PW.
:
: It's either THAT, or roll over and piss yourself. :
: > >poor willy.
:
: Looks like Will is makin PROGRESS in his evolution
: as a human being. Too bad you don't have the honesty
: or integrity to do likeWIZE. :
: > i'd feel sorrier for him
:
: NoWON needs a liar and a dog abuser and a mental
: case to FEEL SORRY for them. :
: > if he'd stop xposting howevomit.
:
: You don't LIKE The Puppy Wizard cause HE don't
: HURT dogs to train them. :
: > well, no, that's a lie.
:
: You've got a long record of hurtin dogs an lying
: abHOWET it. : : --
: > shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
: > http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
:
: You and your lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward
: MENTALLY ILL pals can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE. :
: The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
:
: Here's the rHOWENDUP. For SHORE there's a few
: strays, but we'll train Candace to shepherd them in for us:
: : HOWEDY culprit, :
: "culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in message : news:bn7t56$u85ie$1@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de...
: >
: > "MrMike" <shielddesign@machlink.com> wrote in message
: > news:365f1abf.0310221814.74668410@posting.google.c om...
: >
: > > Since our new neighbors have moved in and have their dog
: > burry chicken wire under the fence.
:
: Chicken wire won't restrain a dog. It's for CHICKENS. :
: > or run a low voltage electric fence along the ground at the
: fence line.
:
: You mean HURT the dogs to make them HAPPY, culprit?
: That's HOWE COME dogs try to ESCAPE. Ask your mentally
: ill pal liea altshuller. She can't contain Cubbe behind her shock : fence. :
: > or do what i do,
:
: You abuse your dogs and they fight each other. :
: > and keep the dogs inside when you're not watching them.
:
: Cause you know they'll ESCAPE cause you're a dog
: abuser and a MENTAL CASE: :
: > -kelly
:
: Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
: culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
: forward so that others like her will have the
: strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
: she is one of our most entertraining regulars
:
: Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
: about her mental illness/crazy problems.
: Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
: and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
: being crazy, aka wacked in the head
:
:
: culprit standing up for herself against rude and
: condescending Mustang Sally
: -----------------------------------------------
:
:
: well i wouldn't consider myself mentally healthy. though
: i'll refrain from calling myself ill if it makes you feel
: better. and no, ADD is not the major problem, i certainly
: know that, i just mentioned it because of the impulsivity
issues.
:
: i wasn't trying to imply i'm disabled by it.
:
: but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
: depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
: disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
: the more fun.
:
: i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
: because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
: to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
: healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
: but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
: "people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
: disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
: across as though you would be able to handle any of these
: illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.
:
: well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
: would have a more productive life if i denied my problems.
:
: i tried it for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.
:
: -kelly
: --------------------------------------------
:
: From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
: Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
: Date: 2003-10-08 08:47:43 PST :
: "Gwen Watson" <gwen@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message : news:3F842E58.965AAF30@ig.utexas.edu...
: >
: > Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered as a : mental
: > illness in which one can apply for many different things even in : the work
: > force in which they are suppose to accomodate you to help : improve
: > your condition.
: >
: > But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated ADHD
: > people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and have gotten : along
: > just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
:
: yeah, i'm pretty sure i could qualify for all sorts of
disability
: stuff (the
: OCD and ADD are just the tip of my iceberg). but i don't. i
know
: i can
: function well enough to do my job, i'll leave the benefits for
: those that
: really need them.
:
: mine is mostly a social impairment. go figure. :-)
:
: -kelly
:
: From: sighthounds etc. (greypighound@ncweb.com)
: Subject: Re: another eevil pit bull story
: Date: 2003-10-08 09:12:56 PST
:
:
: On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 10:33:44 -0500, Gwen Watson
: <gwen@ig.utexas.edu> : wrote:
: >
: >culprit wrote:
: >
: >> "sighthounds etc." <greypighound@ncweb.com> wrote in message
: >> news:f8b8ov46ctu1ds18oliq439g10rod03mto@4ax.com...
: >> >
: >> > ADD and OCD are mental illnesses?
: >> >
: >>
: >> oh, BTW...
: >>
: >> : http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Inform_Yourself/About_M : ental_Illness/About_Mental_Illness.htm
: >>
: >> -kelly
: >
: >Yep there it is NAMI. And yes ADHD or ADD or considered as a : mental
: >illness in which one can apply for many different things even in : the work
: >force in which they are suppose to accomodate you to help improve
: >your condition.
: >
: >But I don't care to go there so I am one of those untreated ADHD
: >people in the world. Whatever I am nearly 50 and have gotten : along
: >just fine. Or so I feel fulfilled.
:
: I guess this is just one of those instances in which I feel
that
: the
: US is turning into a nation of victims. And please, don't
anybody
: jump all over me, because I am not talking about anyone
: personally.
: Everything seems to be a compensatable (not sure if that's
: actually a
: word) disability. If 3/4 of the people are physically disabled
or
: mentally ill, what's 'normal'?
:
: Terrible parents, painful childhoods, physical illnesses,
: psychological problems, etc. are all part of who a person is,
and
: therefore how s/he sees the world and interacts in it. But
life
: isn't
: about who you are and what you've got, it's what you do with
it.
: For
: me anyway, the more I think of myself as partially disabled,
the
: more
: I am that way.
:
: Sorry, I don't mean to sound like Dr. Phil.
:
: Mustang Sally
:
: ---------------------
:
:
: "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
: as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
: for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
: unwanted animals.
:
: This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
: breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
: to that problem," Mustang Sally.
:
:
: MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
: Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
: People are always running around calling other people
: mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only
: fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't
: mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
: and promote group harmony.
: ------------------------------------------
:
:
: here is our latest crazy person update, including our
: latest wacko, kelly aka, culprit, a systems engineer
: at Microsoft, proving that Bill Gates does not discriminate
: against crazy people.
:
:
: RPD* Ment_ally Ill All_StaRz as of 10/9/03
:
:
: -----------------------------------------------
: lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
: pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
: When he barks, use the line for a correction.
:
: - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
: : Lynn K. :
: > ================
: >
: >>lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
: >> depression) will "put down a biter
: >> as fast as anyone" yet claims to
: >> be a saintly dog rescuer
: >>Lynn K. wrote:
: >>
: >>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
: >>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
: >>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
: >>scheduling overhead.
: >>
: >>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
: >>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
: >>they work for.
: >>
: >>Someone has to be responsible for that
: >>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
: >>by a non-volunteer."
: >>
: >>Lynn K.
: >>---------------------------------
: >>
: >>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
: >>every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
: >>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
: >>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
: >>
: >>Should I have refused to groom them?
: >>
: >>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
: >>had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
: >>
: >>Lynn K.
: >>--------------------------------------
:
: "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
: Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
: Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
: Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
: The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
: mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
:
: You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
: MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
:
:
: I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
: beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
: you'd be singing a different tune?
:
: "Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
: put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
: for the trash company to come and dispose of.
:
: No different tune," ~Emily
:
: "I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
: as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
: for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
: unwanted animals.
:
: This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
: breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
: to that problem," Mustang Sally.
:
: Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT?
:
: Better report to Soup and update your MENTAL ILLNESS
: status. The Puppy Wizard wouldn't wanna push you over
: the goddamned edge and see you HURT YOURSELF
: from EMBARRASSMENT.
:
:
:
:
:
: Updated KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING!
: list as of 10/09/2003:
:
:
: list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
: Most of whom are women or homo***uals
:
: =======================================
:
:
: NESSA Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP
: NUTCASE (Most Valuable Psycho) of dog newsgroups
: MVP Nessa blames all the problems in her life most on
: ADD ADHD Or some other empowering acronymval which encapsulates
: her futility for her psycho her dog bagel has
: used her house liberally as a toilet since February of 2002.
: Drives a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in suburban MD,
recently
: got a raise/promotion to US goverment grade 11
: (circa $50,000) and promptly decided she couldn't afford her
: two dogs. With help from non crazy regular (Paulette) and
: witchcraft practicing regular Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided
to
: keep her dogs for the time being. She is undergoing training
: from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery and getting Run Over for
: the Family Pet." Her results have not been dramatic.
:
:
: CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
: Leah helping Nessa
: =============================
: On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote
:
: Nessa usenet@nessa.info wrote:
: "As far as the depression goes, it's not
: related to Bagel at all. I have chronic
: major depression and I'm just having
: a flare." : : Leah asks
: > Are you on any medication?
:
: yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
: I have been for over 10 years.
:
: --nessa
:
:
: Nessa is Fat as well as crazy
: =============================
: "For what it's worth...
:
: I picked up 30 pounds when I started
: Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
: 20 on risperidol.
:
: I hate that I was a size 8-10 before meds and
: now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.
:
: Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
: The positive effects
: are too much to part with."
:
: --nessa
:
: NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH
: ==============================
:
: Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
: He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. His name is
: Martin Stein
: 1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
: Suite 907
: Arlington Va 22209
: 703-807-2471
: email 75120.2296@compuserve.com
:
:
: Marty is wonderful. He is really the best.
: He has also given me permission to post his
: infomation on this Newsgroup. If you call
: him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
: sent you.
:
: --nessa
:
:
: ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS
: =============================
:
: from: Nessa (nessa@ix.netcom.com)
:
: Hi,
:
: I often have to rotate my stimulants.
: You can become used to them and sometimes
: need a different one for a while. Until I
: got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
: Dexedrine every 3 months or so.
:
: It is true that anti-depressants or
: anti-anxiety pills will help with the
: stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
: perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
: a switch from cylert to something else might
: be in order.
:
: warm thoughts,
: Nessa
:
:
: Kelly/ severe OCD, ADD, major depression with
: culprit psychotic features, panic and more. Coming
: forward so that others like her will have the
: strength to do the same. Like Charlie Wilkes,
: she is one of our most entertraining regulars
:
: Here, kelly/culprit talks to Mustang Sally
: about her mental illness/crazy problems.
: Sally is being rude and condescending (as usual)
: and trying to make kelly/culprit feel bad for
: being crazy, aka wacked in the head
:
:
: culprit standing up for herself against rude and
: condescending Mustang Sally
: -----------------------------------------------
:
: but i stand by the fact that OCD is an illness, major
: depression with psychotic features certainly is, panic
: disorder is too. and the other stuff just makes it all
: the more fun.
:
: i don't wallow in it. i'm just now learning to accept it,
: because ignoring it wasn't working out too well. i need
: to do that to make changes to my life so that i can become
: healthy. and you say you're not trying to be condescending,
: but you're doing it again. what i read was, (my paraphrasing)
: "people who think they're mentally ill are wallowing in their
: disabilities and letting them consume their life" you come
: across as though you would be able to handle any of these
: illnesses, and anyone who can't is just copping out.
:
: well we're all different. and i don't accept your idea that i
: would
: have a more productive life if i denied my problems. i tried
it
: for years, and believe me, it didn't work very well.
:
: -kelly
: --------------------------------------------
:
: MaryBeth
: FMVP (former most valuable psycho)
:
: Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
: (super psycho results at several large pharmaceutical corps
: bitch lunatic has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
: queen of the drug treatment in the book, and then some:
: mentally prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
: ****ed in the head
:
: effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,clomid,
:
: has suffered from or been:
: suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
: mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
: just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
: blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
: "zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
: through layers and layers of gauze," chain
: smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
: terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
: brain, lack of concentration..etc.
: severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
: ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
: it...etc...
:
: MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
: aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
: aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
:
: "I know for a fact I went thru years of
: being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
: being self centered, being self pitying,
: you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
: everyone in my path." :
: "<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
: on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
: You become another person, if it's not the
: correct med for you.
:
: --All the best,
: MaryBeth
:
: "Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
: Rheumatologist told me that taking
: Ultram with it can cause seizures."
:
: "I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
: times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
: 'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
: my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
:
: --MaryBeth
:
: "I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
: into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
: like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
: either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
: (but at the time I thought there was no other
: way out)."
:
: --MaryBeth
:
: "Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
: I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
: mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
: reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
: Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
: myself "
: : --MaryBeth <still feeling
: like herself> <G>
:
: "I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
: many many treasured ppl and things. Please
: don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
:
: --MaryBeth
:
: "Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
: worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
: along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
: 'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
: The depression got so bad, and lots of other
: things happened and my ex and I would up
: divorced four years after our move. It was
: horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
: thru"
:
: --MaryBeth
:
:
:
: Theresa (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
: Willis Theresa is a gang banger who comes out
: of cutesy robot mode when it's time to
: gang attack people with her pal shelly
:
: shelly
: couvrette Severe OCD, depression, prescribed Paxil
: for mental illness, but claims she does
: not take it,
: resulting in an obsessive basket case
: online persona. Posts more than any
: other female in all dog newsgroups
: (familial mental illness, possibly related
: to family bed) obsessively starves her
: dogs according to friends, family,
: strangers and 3 different vets, but
: not herself (see below). Still thinks
: of herself as a five year old ballerina
: despite the fact that she is a fat
: adult in her mid thirties.
:
: lynn RPD* Enemy of Dogs #1
: kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
: depression) will "put down a biter
: as fast as anyone" yet claims to
: be a saintly dog rescuer.
:
: Murders dogs because of insurance rates
: Her brother was attacked by a Golden
: Retriever when she was young. For
: this reason, she murders easily
: trainable dogs. Condemns dogs to
: death who are easily trainable.
: Is nice to people in person, but
: her true dog hating nature comes
: out on newsgroups with
: extreme clarity.
:
:
: Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
: about being mentally ill. Has taken
: several other mentally ill medications
: before settling on effexor for her
: chronic mental problems.
:
: Leah is improving as a dog trainer and wants
: to open her own training/boarding kennel soon.
: This drives her fellow mentally ill regulars nuts
: (read shelly), especially if Leah succeeds while
: other loonies continue to sit on their fat behinds
:
: Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years
: prior to her marriage. During her
: marriage, she learned a lot:
: "With the therapist I saw during my
: marriage I learned that some
: situational depressions are masked as
: chemical simply because of our too human
: ability to prolong the impact of the
: causal situations indefinitely"
:
: Sounds like more denial, see leah
:
: Tara is also a drunk who has also had
: problems with other substances
:
: TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
:
: "Tara (who had some problems with quite a
: few substances as well, but who thinks they
: are separate issues.....so which camp does
: that put me in???)"
:
: "Believe it or not, some people don't have
: a problem with drugs even though they are
: alcoholics. I'm not one of those people,
: but they do exist."
:
: aka, tara has problems with both
:
: Kevin various mental illness drugs, started with
: Michael zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
: Vail antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
: side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy
:
:
: Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)
:
: Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)
:
:
:
: Charlie drugged out, crazy, ****ed up all his
: Wilkes life, Christ the shit he's been through
: including psych wards and electroshock
: treatments but now pulling down major cash
: as a business consultant. Triumphing over
: adversity, with a damn good life and a
: well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
: One of our most lucid regulars, despite
: (or maybe because of?) a penchant for dope
: smoking.
:
:
: Karen
: DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for years
: aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her out
: of it. Some of her best friends "are
: certifiable" and have various degrees of
: psychoses. Familial mental disability.
: Refuses to say whether or not she is
: currently using drug or cognitive therapy
: for mental illness.
:
: Mike
: "DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
: Dufort with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
: Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
: HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)
:
:
: Jim "Brain
: Shivers" Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
: Sabatke because of his depression/mental problems.
: Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
: trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
: from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
: the "brain shivers"
:
: From: Jim Sabatke (jsabatke@execpc.com)
: Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
: alt.support.depression.medication
: Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST
:
: EFFEXOR
: "I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
: wonders for me. The only down side is
: that my blood pressure has elevated
: somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
: couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
: be really bad.
:
: Good luck!
:
: Jim"
:
: "I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
: 5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
: and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
: time."
:
: Jim
:
: "After several years on Effexor IR, my
: pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
: experienced fairly severe Effexor
: withdrawel until I went back to the IR."
:
: Jim
:
:
:
:
:
: <YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
: (please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders
: specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come
: forward, we can help each other with our problems.
:
: Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
: It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
: may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or
: idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).
:
: Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and
: have been added to this by mistake, so we can make
: our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list.
: --
: mental health weekly
:
: ===========================================
:
:
:

the puppy wizard

While you're at it, remind marcel his dog BIT his Mrs.

jokerpit

all manbiters need to be put down ...


news:TpSnb.11695$FI2.8263@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
: While you're at it, remind marcel his dog BIT his Mrs. :
: "Abby Pennington" <liltkdgrl@shoesaol.com> wrote in message : news:aXKnb.2141$Aa6.64790@news.uswest.net...
: > "culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in
: > news:bnlsms$11r62r$1@ID-58739.news.uni-berlin.de:
: >
: > > it must be sad to be so lonely you have to kiss ass to : befriend PW.
: > >
: > > poor willy.
: > >
: >
: > OK can we call this doorknob something other than willy? :P : That's my Pug's
: > name, and I'm sure he is far smarter and cyuuuter!
: >
: >
: > --
: > -Abby
: >
: > Pems, Aussie, and a Pug
: >
: > ****Remove shoes to reply****
:
:

the puppy wizard

Don't forget marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser
phd psychoclHOWEN's dog BIT his wife...

jokerpit

sorry pw I wont let you down again...

news:Vy2ob.10632$X22.8024@newsread2.news.atl.earth link.net...
: Don't forget marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser
: phd psychoclHOWEN's dog BIT his wife... :
: <TOTE@dog-play.com> wrote in message : news:bnq8i3$14mlt0$1@ID-80796.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > On 30 Oct 2003 01:25:04 GMT Rocky <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> whittled : these words:
: > > Abby Pennington said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
: >
: > >> How is Reloaded, anyway? Never got around to seeing it.
: >
: > > The critics didn't like it because it's chock full of : gratuitous
: > > violence and needless special effects tied together with a : thin
: > > plot line.
: >
: > > Needless to say, I thought that it was kewl.
: >
: > There goes Matt, doing needless things again.
: >
: > Diane Blackman
:
: