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HOWEDY liea,

Cause he bit someWON like your own
dog Cubbe done, liea?


You mean, someWON like professor SCRUFF
SHAKE? Or do you mean someWON like the
university behaviorists who've heelped melanie
and leah and tracy and all the other miserably
handled and abused dogs like your own that we
feature here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forum School Of HARD KNOCKS?


BWEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

You're a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and
a DOG ABUSER, liea:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@comcast.net> wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...


"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

You're a MENTAL CASE, liea.


They MURDER dogs like his.


You mean, someWON who's got a 100%
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS rate? Or
someWON who MURDERS dogs for them?:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

Lynn K. wrote:

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer
Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

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I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily

====================

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and I
know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem," Mustang Sally.

Like you do your abused dog Cubbe?


Like them two children your dog
Cubbe tried to attack?


Hey liea? You suppose he should keep
his dog away from other dogs too, like
you gotta do your own abused HOWETA
CONTROL dog Cubbe?

Here's Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor's dog and
previHOWEsly attacking liea's only friend and
assaulting a couple kids and escaping her
surrHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM, which MADE
HER AGGRESSIVE:

"It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With
Her Usual ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To
Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got
Out In The Neighborhood Leashless:

Julia F N Altshuler (d000634c@dc.seflin.org)
Subject: 1 step forward, 2 steps back
Date: 2001-01-07 19:28:05 PST

Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the
first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times
were when we first got her before she'd had any
training and before we got the electric fence to
reinforce the physical one.

It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored
clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was
horrible for us. She had a blast running free and
chasing whatever she wanted. For us it was 45 minutes
of sheer terror as we tried to catch her.

Luckily there wasn't too much traffic yesterday
morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren't quite
clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she was
preoccupied with her head down a hole.

For 2 years I've been giving her a daily long walk in
the neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a
leash. She gets daily indoor clicker training
sessions.

She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets
intermittent treats for those recalls. She gets plenty
of time to run free in the backyard.

Her recalls are less reliable there, but I've been
working on them. I haven't been as good about
introducing the variable reinforcement there, but I
have been good about making sure that she's never
tricked into coming into the house when she'd
rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat
or praise and let her go again.

So I haven't been a perfect dog trainer, but I don't
think I'm a terrible one. I say that because I'm about
to ask y'all for some help in correcting my mistakes,
and while I don't mind criticism for past mistakes, I
am hoping you'll concentrate on what I should do now.

Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard
time. I'd gotten her into the house and was preparing
to leave when she escaped straight through the front
door and right in front of our noses. She was still
wearing the zap collar, but the battery was low. She
gave a small yip when she went over the wire, and the
chase ensued.

We were careful not to scold her once she was caught.

Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap
collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by
the backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From
her excited behavior, I could tell that she fully
expected to be let out the front door again so she
could have another fun romp in the neighborhood. I'm
so filled with anxiety from yesterday's escapade that
I keep checking for her every time I open the
door.

Later in the afternoon, she was much worse
about coming when called even from the backyard.

My specific questions:

How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows
when she's in a confined space and when she isn't?

She normally only wears the zap collar when she's in
the backyard because the wire goes around the house
and could zap her when she's near certain windows
inside. If I let her get zapped at the front door with
the zap collar, can I still take the zap collar off
and walk her out the front door with her leash on? I
don't want her to become afraid of the front door.

What's the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it
should happen again?

Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques?
By this I mean, I've been using clicker and treats for
Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used
leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her.

I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state
my opinion once and won't defend it further: any
method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.
She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.
Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not
coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?

Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3
daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and
were having a blast clicker training her. I was
impressed with how quickly they caught on and how
little correction they needed to be consistent with
the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine with the
children; she always has been. Just as they were
getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give
Cubbe a hug. Cubbe must have felt threatened and
confined because she gave a snarl-snap.

I was right there, and without thinking I quickly
yelled, turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face
and let her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl
wasn't frightened at all, and her parents who were
also right there hadn't realized what had happened. I
then asked the snarlee to rub Cubbe's belly further to
reinforce that Cubbe is the submissive one in that
relationship. I let Cubbe up and all was fine.

I suppose that's another issue, but I bring it up as
part of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with
punishments now. Like I said, I did that without
thinking, and now I think it was the right thing to
do. So how do I apply this to dealing with Cubbe the
escapee?

--Lia ===================
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshuler@attbi.com> wrote in message news:3DC4A3BD.645A4FC9@attbi.com...


From: Julia Altshuler (jaltshuler@comcast.net)
Subject: Cubbe report: Chief
Date: 2003-09-12 21:04:11 PST

Chief if my neighbor Jo's 40# 1 1/2 year old Sheltie.
Jim has been running into them on his morning walks
with Cubbe. For a week he's been feeding me glowing
reports about how Cubbe is terrific with Chief.

Cubbe has never been particularly wonderful with any
other dog, so terrible in fact that I'd despaired at
ever seeing Cubbe frolic and play with other dogs.

I'd resigned myself to the idea that Cubbe is happy
with her people, her yard, her squirrels, her spot on
the couch, and that makes a pretty good life, one
that doesn't involve the companionship of her own
species. Jim's reports were encouraging.

Jim convinced Jo to bring Chief over for a playdate.
We put Cubbe on a leash so she could meet Chief
again on neutral territory. They sniffed as dogs
normally do.

Chief and Cubbe entered the front door. To my
amazement, all was fine. Out in the backyard
and off leash, Cubbe didn't pay much attention
to Chief, but there was no trouble even though
she and Chief were close to each other.

Both dogs seemed more interested that their
people were handing out treats (for good behaviors
like SITs).

Jim went into the house for some balls thinking the 2
dogs would like to chase them together. He did not
consult me about this hare brained scheme.

Jo and I were 5 feet away from the dogs when Cubbe
decided to attack Chief. She's not an experienced
fighter so I don't know if attack is the right word.
She was snarfing, making growly noises, jumping on
Chief, had her mouth on Chief's neck (on his back,
behind his ears) and basically not looking friendly,
but I think if she'd wanted to do real damage,
she would have, and Chief was fine, nary a hair out of
place.

Naturally with us all right there, we were able to
intervene in seconds.

A second later, it was all over. Cubbe looked like
she'd like to be friends again, but Chief, while not
running away or anything was obviously spooked and
keeping his distance. Jo and Chief went home. (I
went with them for chat and apologies, but that's not
part of the Cubbe story.)

Cubbe has never food or toy guarded with people.
Might she have been guarding the balls Jim brought
out? Or was it the fact that we let our guard down
for a few seconds and she got scared of Chief when we
all weren't practically on top of her? Or did we push
her too far by leaving her and Chief together for too
many minutes when a few seconds would have been better
for a first try? Or other theories?

Do we continue trying to find a dog that will put up
with Cubbe? Or do we give up again and go back to
letting Cubbe live a dogless existence?

--Lia

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