the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Soup,

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

tommy soronson aka dogman aka joe
finnochiario aka dozens of other false
screen names won't even admit who
he is cause he's ashamed.

That COULD mean he's NOT insane,
just highly ignorant crude incompetent
and afraid. Kinda like some of the dogs
we meet here on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum.

<info@canineaction.com>


BigB is HOWER newest FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Forum Member.


That, bein FRAUDreck hassan, of sit means
sit raidio shock show. Hey Soup? You remember
that time FRAUDreck accidentally sent in some
of his favorite *** **** **** sites? That was a
pretty good look into life in Vegas, eh Soup?


FRAUDreck, like lyingdogDUMMY and most of
HOWER dog lovers are egoists. They live on
their false undeserved pride and create their own
reality to suit their weak fear ridden minds and
compensate for their inferiority complexes.

The dog is the perfect vehicle for this.These
mental cases and non mental cases LOVE
that subservient submissive look.

Hey Soup? Is SADISM a MENTAL ILLNESS?


Sez an anonymHOWES coward and sadist,
a homophobe who under the guise of joey
finnochiario leads the HIV forum, where joey
tries to CONvince QUEERS that AIDS is not
CONtagiHOWES and they can engage in un-
protected *** safely cause the whole SCAM
is the pharmacutical companies rippin off Uncle
Sam for research funds like professor SCRUFF
SHAKE and his ilk are doin.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME dr. p of UofWI
and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of UofWI ****-
ytic behavior research are so eager to repress
the INFORMATION The Amazing Puppy Wizard has presented here?

You mean ruining.


You mean his great dog that won't do nuthin
unless he's gettin BURNED till he figgers it HOWET.


Yeah. Like burnin a rat on a hot plate. Only
difference is, the entire floor is the hot plate
and the only SAFE place is on the board.

The concept is EZ, Soup. We just HURT the
dog CONSTANTLY till he FIGGERS IT HOWET.


Good point, tommy soronson. The line is drawn
when fear force intimidation bribery avoidance
confinement social isolation intimidation and
aversives are used to handle and train any animal
for any behavior, including to "SAVE THEM FROM
THE NEEDLY," your favorite koehler saying.

Perhaps the PeTA folks aren't the MENTAL
CASES and PUKES we been told they are
after all, Soup?

After all, who you gonna believe? A fanatic
or a MENTAL CASE who abuses animals
for money and lies abHOWET it and won't
even identify themselves or ADMIT it when
they've been made as a ETHICKAL BREEDER
or shelter / rescue Angel Of Death.


Hurting dumb animals is NOT a matter of
OPINION or PREFERENCE, it's a matter
of CRIMINAL LAW and MENTAL ILLNESS.


That's not the ISSUE, that's only a SYMPTOM.

The ISSUE IS, HURTING and INTIMIDATING
anyWON is inapupriate and can cause seriHOWES
emotioinal trauma, aka Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
and The Stockholm Syndrome and STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME.

That's essentially what happens when the dog
comes lookin for affection after he's been BURNED
for a HOWER or so.

Wouldn't an intelligent behavioral researcher do
a FUNctional ****-ysis of the DATA we've accrued
here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google?

Seems the findings could revolutionize the behaviorISM
industry and prove most behaviorists and trainers are
FRAUDS and INCOMPETENTS and plain old scam
artists, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE comin here
to sell his masters degree program... BWEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has summed it all up.

We're dealing with a CONspiracy of incompetent
Sadists and active long term incurable mental
cases who'll do and say anything to defend their
alleged right to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER
HOWER BEST DOGS and make money at it comin
an goin hand over fist and come HOWET lookin
like HERO'S instead of FRAUDS MURDERERS
and MENTAL ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

These Sadists argue that in training situations
where there is risk of harm it's worth the price
of admission to try HURTIN the dog as a LAST
RESORT.

Would you stay at a resort like that, Soup?

There ain't a DEAD DOG we've enterTRAINED
TO DEATH here abHOWETS that couldn't have
been rehabilitated NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply
NOT HURTING and INTIMIDATING them.

So, HOWER Sadists swear they ain't hurtin the dog.

Shock collars only administer a precision timed
static like stimulation the dog LOVES cause he'll
jump on a board to aviod it.

Well, if it didn't HURT HOWE COME would you AVOID it?


I'd LOVE to hear the audio on that and observe
HOWE many times FRAUDreck had to BURN the helpless dog.


INDEEDY, Soup.The Universe owes you a debt.


This'll settle any questions: http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE3.ram http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE.ram


HOWER E***PERT DOG TRAINERS here abHOWETS
call doin what you're doin in 4lane as dangerHOWES
and "MINDLESS STUPID DOG TRICK." They say you
risk the life of your dogs doin a STUPID PET TRICK
to satisfy your ego.

Looks like you was doin what you gotta do
every day to get to the dog park and back,
ain't it, Soup? THAT'S UTILITY.


As it should be done.


You mean, to prove to yourself that shocking dogs
don't HURT if you shut the juice off or don't press
the button or ain't a E***PERT dog trainer?

Here's janet boss burnin a dog with a "neck
muscle pulsing NINE" on your Innoteck shock collar":
"J1Boss" <j1boss@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...


An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
E***CEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTAL CASES
LIARS and COWARDS HURT and MURDER.

See janet's thread "interested in hearing" where
she IGNORED two shock containment systems
that made the little dog FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of VISITORS and she told them to lock IT in a
box and jerk and choke IT on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar to make IT friendly.

Like THIS:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
- Lynn K.

O.K. Soup. You got a university education. The
Amazing Puppy Wizard is only a uneducated
backyard shade tree shit kickin dog trainer. The
question is, is Sadism MENTAL ILLNESS?

Second part of the question is HOWE many
manifestations of MENTALLY ILL does WON
need to be considered MENTALLY ILL?

Here's a typical shock collar trained dog:

"I posted this to rec.pets.dogs.health without
too much success. Things are beginning to
get much worse day by day and the vets seem
unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is workin on WON.

FRAUDreck has done well do***enting the
reports we've seen of the constant state of
fear and pain his dogs enjoy:

From: DogStar716 (dogstar716@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2004-06-01 20:13:09 PST

I have a friend who lives in Vegas and gets to
witness firsthand the SIT MEANS SIT crew in
action... cruising their vans through the neighborhoods,
practicing at dog parks, and the classes...

from what she says, it ain't pretty.

And no, I don't agree with shock collar training
unless it's a last resort for a dangerous behavior.

That my opinion, and I'm sticking to it Dogstar716

Don't need to SEE nuthin, Soup. HURTING
dogs makes them MENTAL and is CRUEL
and we gotta get laws passed protecting dogs
and guillible citizens from the likes of a professor
SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or dr. p or a MENTAL
CASE like culprit aka kelly aka metta:

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking
Date: 2004-06-02 23:26:41 PST

and i have a friend who took one of Fred's seminars
and is a total convert to the e collars. from his description,
the class was excellent, and the collar is the perfect tool.

he spent hours trying to explain to me why it's
better than a clicker. and this is an intelligent
man i'm talking about.

i suspect our friends offer different extreme observations,
and the truth probably lies somewhere between. -kelly
"culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:2gftgmF2f4stU1@uni-berlin.de...

From: Gwen Watson (gwen@ig.utexas.edu)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing
bark alert, while walking
Date: 2004-06-03 05:15:05 PST

Let's put it this way, you will probably never find
a Schutzhund dog get first place at the podium
(Nationals) at age 3 years old "just" using or even
using a clicker.

OTOH you most certainly will find a 3 year old
dog make it to the podium in the Nationals using
an e-collar.

From what I have seen the clicker is a great tool
for lots of pet trainers as well as pretty experienced
trainers. But *often* to really get a dog solid in some
training skills, like Schutzhund or hunting trials it will
take the use of an e-collar.

Gwen
e-collar as tool.


THAT'S INSANE. gwen honey just recently
got a DEAD DOG over a TRAGICK SHOCK FENCE ACCIDENT.


<snip link>

Like them shelter dogs he was burning that
he borrowed from the P-HOWEND to train
his new class of dog abusers.

But shocking dogs doesn't hurt them according
to sinofabitch gwen honey lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn, lying frosty dahl janet boss culprit lyingdogDUMMY
Master Of Deception blankiman leah HEY! We got
the whole goddamned rpdb MENTALLY ILL contingient!

It'd be EZier to say WHO AIN'T A MENTAL CASE or SADIST.

Perhaps the dog is just havin some frontal lobe seizures
like what causes professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog
Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator to furiHOWESLY masturbate on his C-HOWEch
pillows when he misses his daily five miles of bicycle exercise?


You mighta had you spent the past forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard done, Soup.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has offered money
just to have WON of HOWER dog lovers ASK
the hard questions that professor SCRUFF SHAKE
and dr. p won't answer cause it'd mean the end
of their careers in the university.

Unless we just close the discussions and
bring it to the state board of education?


Thanks, Soup. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===============


The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW;-) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW;~} >
oo-oo

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Soup,

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

tommy soronson aka dogman aka joe
finnochiario aka dozens of other false
screen names won't even admit who
he is cause he's ashamed.

That COULD mean he's NOT insane,
just highly ignorant crude incompetent
and afraid. Kinda like some of the dogs
we meet here on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum.

<info@canineaction.com>


BigB is HOWER newest FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Forum Member.


That, bein FRAUDreck hassan, of sit means
sit raidio shock show. Hey Soup? You remember
that time FRAUDreck accidentally sent in some
of his favorite *** **** **** sites? That was a
pretty good look into life in Vegas, eh Soup?


FRAUDreck, like lyingdogDUMMY and most of
HOWER dog lovers are egoists. They live on
their false undeserved pride and create their own
reality to suit their weak fear ridden minds and
compensate for their inferiority complexes.

The dog is the perfect vehicle for this.These
mental cases and non mental cases LOVE
that subservient submissive look.

Hey Soup? Is SADISM a MENTAL ILLNESS?


Sez an anonymHOWES coward and sadist,
a homophobe who under the guise of joey
finnochiario leads the HIV forum, where joey
tries to CONvince QUEERS that AIDS is not
CONtagiHOWES and they can engage in un-
protected *** safely cause the whole SCAM
is the pharmacutical companies rippin off Uncle
Sam for research funds like professor SCRUFF
SHAKE and his ilk are doin.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME dr. p of UofWI
and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of UofWI ****-
ytic behavior research are so eager to repress
the INFORMATION The Amazing Puppy Wizard has presented here?

You mean ruining.


You mean his great dog that won't do nuthin
unless he's gettin BURNED till he figgers it HOWET.


Yeah. Like burnin a rat on a hot plate. Only
difference is, the entire floor is the hot plate
and the only SAFE place is on the board.

The concept is EZ, Soup. We just HURT the
dog CONSTANTLY till he FIGGERS IT HOWET.


Good point, tommy soronson. The line is drawn
when fear force intimidation bribery avoidance
confinement social isolation intimidation and
aversives are used to handle and train any animal
for any behavior, including to "SAVE THEM FROM
THE NEEDLY," your favorite koehler saying.

Perhaps the PeTA folks aren't the MENTAL
CASES and PUKES we been told they are
after all, Soup?

After all, who you gonna believe? A fanatic
or a MENTAL CASE who abuses animals
for money and lies abHOWET it and won't
even identify themselves or ADMIT it when
they've been made as a ETHICKAL BREEDER
or shelter / rescue Angel Of Death.


Hurting dumb animals is NOT a matter of
OPINION or PREFERENCE, it's a matter
of CRIMINAL LAW and MENTAL ILLNESS.


That's not the ISSUE, that's only a SYMPTOM.

The ISSUE IS, HURTING and INTIMIDATING
anyWON is inapupriate and can cause seriHOWES
emotioinal trauma, aka Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
and The Stockholm Syndrome and STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME.

That's essentially what happens when the dog
comes lookin for affection after he's been BURNED
for a HOWER or so.

Wouldn't an intelligent behavioral researcher do
a FUNctional ****-ysis of the DATA we've accrued
here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google?

Seems the findings could revolutionize the behaviorISM
industry and prove most behaviorists and trainers are
FRAUDS and INCOMPETENTS and plain old scam
artists, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE comin here
to sell his masters degree program... BWEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has summed it all up.

We're dealing with a CONspiracy of incompetent
Sadists and active long term incurable mental
cases who'll do and say anything to defend their
alleged right to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER
HOWER BEST DOGS and make money at it comin
an goin hand over fist and come HOWET lookin
like HERO'S instead of FRAUDS MURDERERS
and MENTAL ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

These Sadists argue that in training situations
where there is risk of harm it's worth the price
of admission to try HURTIN the dog as a LAST
RESORT.

Would you stay at a resort like that, Soup?

There ain't a DEAD DOG we've enterTRAINED
TO DEATH here abHOWETS that couldn't have
been rehabilitated NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply
NOT HURTING and INTIMIDATING them.

So, HOWER Sadists swear they ain't hurtin the dog.

Shock collars only administer a precision timed
static like stimulation the dog LOVES cause he'll
jump on a board to aviod it.

Well, if it didn't HURT HOWE COME would you AVOID it?


I'd LOVE to hear the audio on that and observe
HOWE many times FRAUDreck had to BURN the helpless dog.


INDEEDY, Soup.The Universe owes you a debt.


This'll settle any questions: http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE3.ram http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE.ram


HOWER E***PERT DOG TRAINERS here abHOWETS
call doin what you're doin in 4lane as dangerHOWES
and "MINDLESS STUPID DOG TRICK." They say you
risk the life of your dogs doin a STUPID PET TRICK
to satisfy your ego.

Looks like you was doin what you gotta do
every day to get to the dog park and back,
ain't it, Soup? THAT'S UTILITY.


As it should be done.


You mean, to prove to yourself that shocking dogs
don't HURT if you shut the juice off or don't press
the button or ain't a E***PERT dog trainer?

Here's janet boss burnin a dog with a "neck
muscle pulsing NINE" on your Innoteck shock collar":
"J1Boss" <j1boss@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...


An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
E***CEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTAL CASES
LIARS and COWARDS HURT and MURDER.

See janet's thread "interested in hearing" where
she IGNORED two shock containment systems
that made the little dog FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of VISITORS and she told them to lock IT in a
box and jerk and choke IT on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar to make IT friendly.

Like THIS:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
- Lynn K.

O.K. Soup. You got a university education. The
Amazing Puppy Wizard is only a uneducated
backyard shade tree shit kickin dog trainer. The
question is, is Sadism MENTAL ILLNESS?

Second part of the question is HOWE many
manifestations of MENTALLY ILL does WON
need to be considered MENTALLY ILL?

Here's a typical shock collar trained dog:

"I posted this to rec.pets.dogs.health without
too much success. Things are beginning to
get much worse day by day and the vets seem
unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is workin on WON.

FRAUDreck has done well do***enting the
reports we've seen of the constant state of
fear and pain his dogs enjoy:

From: DogStar716 (dogstar716@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2004-06-01 20:13:09 PST

I have a friend who lives in Vegas and gets to
witness firsthand the SIT MEANS SIT crew in
action... cruising their vans through the neighborhoods,
practicing at dog parks, and the classes...

from what she says, it ain't pretty.

And no, I don't agree with shock collar training
unless it's a last resort for a dangerous behavior.

That my opinion, and I'm sticking to it Dogstar716

Don't need to SEE nuthin, Soup. HURTING
dogs makes them MENTAL and is CRUEL
and we gotta get laws passed protecting dogs
and guillible citizens from the likes of a professor
SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or dr. p or a MENTAL
CASE like culprit aka kelly aka metta:

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking
Date: 2004-06-02 23:26:41 PST

and i have a friend who took one of Fred's seminars
and is a total convert to the e collars. from his description,
the class was excellent, and the collar is the perfect tool.

he spent hours trying to explain to me why it's
better than a clicker. and this is an intelligent
man i'm talking about.

i suspect our friends offer different extreme observations,
and the truth probably lies somewhere between. -kelly
"culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:2gftgmF2f4stU1@uni-berlin.de...

From: Gwen Watson (gwen@ig.utexas.edu)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing
bark alert, while walking
Date: 2004-06-03 05:15:05 PST

Let's put it this way, you will probably never find
a Schutzhund dog get first place at the podium
(Nationals) at age 3 years old "just" using or even
using a clicker.

OTOH you most certainly will find a 3 year old
dog make it to the podium in the Nationals using
an e-collar.

From what I have seen the clicker is a great tool
for lots of pet trainers as well as pretty experienced
trainers. But *often* to really get a dog solid in some
training skills, like Schutzhund or hunting trials it will
take the use of an e-collar.

Gwen
e-collar as tool.


THAT'S INSANE. gwen honey just recently
got a DEAD DOG over a TRAGICK SHOCK FENCE ACCIDENT.


<snip link>

Like them shelter dogs he was burning that
he borrowed from the P-HOWEND to train
his new class of dog abusers.

But shocking dogs doesn't hurt them according
to sinofabitch gwen honey lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn, lying frosty dahl janet boss culprit lyingdogDUMMY
Master Of Deception blankiman leah HEY! We got
the whole goddamned rpdb MENTALLY ILL contingient!

It'd be EZier to say WHO AIN'T A MENTAL CASE or SADIST.

Perhaps the dog is just havin some frontal lobe seizures
like what causes professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog
Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator to furiHOWESLY masturbate on his C-HOWEch
pillows when he misses his daily five miles of bicycle exercise?


You mighta had you spent the past forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard done, Soup.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has offered money
just to have WON of HOWER dog lovers ASK
the hard questions that professor SCRUFF SHAKE
and dr. p won't answer cause it'd mean the end
of their careers in the university.

Unless we just close the discussions and
bring it to the state board of education?


Thanks, Soup. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===============


The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW;-) >

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW;~} >
oo-oo

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY BigB,

Date: 2004-02-14 13:22:05 PST Charlie Wilkes wrote:

<michael@dddd_dogtv.com>


that's right Charlie,

And when you find a group of people, for whom lying
to themselves, each other and others, is systemic,
sytematic and automatic, I find that problematic,
and it indicates that the rabbit hole goes a lot
deeper than we know...

That's why I'm trying to see if any of our Toxic
Mommy Triplets can answer a simple question about
Janet Boss's approach.

In any event, the good news is that the era of the
dog hating Control Freak/Toxic Mommy is ending. What
we are witnessing is the last gasps of a female
dominated movement that hijacked the Dog Game for
over 20 years.

this is michael
reporting live... http://dogtv.com

the puppy wizard

Subject: Re: RIP ****a 1999 - 2004
Date: 2004-01-31 10:21:54 PST HOWEDY kwbrown,
"KWBrown" <arfenarfSPAMBLOCK@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns948163CD5F16Barfenarf@130.133.1.4...


BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You mean she tried to take a bite HOWETA
your PROFESSIONAL DOG ABUSER.


No, that's what YOU'D like to think.What
CAUSED THAT was YOU ABUSED YOUR
DOG from DAY WON.

DEATH is a BLESSING to a dog cursed with
a dog lover like you and your pals jerking and
choking and shocking and locking it in boxes
and spraying aversives in their faces.


BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR DOG GOT DEAD!


But OF CURSE HOWER dog lovers are gonna
SUPPORT MURDERING a dog you're AFRAID
TO HURT and INTIMIDATE someMOORE.

Perhaps you should just leave them the heel alone,
you've already MURDERED your own DEAD DOG
cause you couldn't stop jerking choking punishing
scolding shocking and spraying aversives in its face. (http://www.headsupdogtraining.com/DivaLitter.htm)


Well, the DEAD DUCKS will certainly appreciate THAT.


Listen up, dog abuser. Your PAL Anne Cobley
with the Retrievers is a liar and a dog abuser:

"Our training methods are based on positive
reinforcement using tools such as clickers,
play and food. We do not use choke chains
or prong collars in our program.

Anne's training methods focus on teaching and
motivating, together with proper collar conditioning
and use when necessary. Participant dogs must
have a force retrieve. If a clinic participant wishes
to use an e-collar during the clinic, their dog must
be collar conditioned. In addition, e-collar users
must be familiar with proper e-collar use."


And your DEAD DOG ****a.

R.I.P., ****a. DEAD is GOOD FOR YOU!

The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY BigB,


Ooops! Back to too many words again, eh?

Mmm. That's the problem. We got mental
cases who hurt dogs and lie abHOWET it
cause they don't like to take their punishment.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has punished
the dog abusers liars cowards and mental
cases PLENTY withHOWET HURTIN THEM.
IS THAT FAIR?


We'll all agree it woulda been NICE if HOWER
lying dog abusing cowards thugs punks and
mental cases had just left of their own accord.

Right. We was talkin abHOWET hurting dogs.


Right. But do you know there's no place
for punishment here abHOWETS?

This is dog behavior. Dogs is DUMB ANIMALS
Decent human beings do not PUNISH dumb animals.


INDEED. Some of us are LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL PATIENTS COWARD DOG ABUSERS and
LIARS. Would you like to SEE the QUOTES in their own words someMOORE?


lying "I LOVE KOEHELR" lynn participates
in lots of dog abusers groups.

SomeWON like The Amazing Puppy Wizard
and all his FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild
World who CONSISTENTLY REPORT gettin 100%
TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL NEARLY INSTANTLY.

Your pals call them LIARS and FORGERIES. IN FACT,
your EMPLOYEE leah robert's calls them LIARS and
FORGERIES cause she's a MENTAL CASE, BigB.

SURPRISED?

Don't be.

You could be likeWIZE.

THAT'LL be The Amazing Puppy Wizard's SURPRISE.


Yeah. We don't HURT dogs to train them.

Yeah. If The Amazing Puppy Wizard had a FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Student with an aggression problem for MOORE
than a couple DAYS HE get's SCARED.

We don't NEED to HURT dogs and DISCUSS HOWE
to HURT them when we can REHABILITATE ALL
behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE
withHOWET using food bribes pain shocking choking and crating, BigB.

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME we AIN'T DOIN THAT noMOORE here abHOWETS.


The discussion was HURTIN dogs.


Well, NHOWE that The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World
CONSISTENTLY REPORT 100% TOTAL SUCCESS
NEARLY INSTANTLY by NOT HURTING and BRIBING
dogs, then the DISS-CUSSION is CLOSED.

AFRAID that would make you look like a FRAUD?


Well then BigB, looks like you ain't much of a dog trainer.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard strongly recommends
you set DHOWEN and study your FREE copy of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual and do all the
Exercises and ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard
if you need any additional FREE heelp.

Or you'll have to get the heel HOWETA the ACTION.

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:

Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it. I agree
that it is a distraction.

Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.
"MaryBeth" <marbeths@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message news:3cfcdcfb$2_8@news.teranews.com...


From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST

HEY!!!

There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.

All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.

There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.

Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin.

It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't
be playing everyday.

He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.

Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.

I have changed her from an aggressive dog
to one who is willing to please her owner,
willing to listen, willing to assume her role
in the pack.

The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking

P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?

MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*

Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and
who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any
misunderstandings and promote group harmony.

MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)


Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:

suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...

MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell

"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.

--All the best,
MaryBeth

"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."

"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."

--MaryBeth

"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except
about my suicidal thoughts (but at the
time I thought there was no other way out)."

--MaryBeth

"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist
re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction
with Clomid.

They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself "
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>

"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))

--MaryBeth

"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"

--MaryBeth

Friday, 5/31/02: HOWEDY Valerie,
"Valerie M. Holmes" <Holmes.V@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:vVAJ8.14474$LC3.1002840@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net ....

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time
shouldn't have problems associated with it if the facility
was reasonable, and if they're not killin dogs they couldn't
be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson
and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE.

Don't worry about it! I got all the answers and none
of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything
Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card,
secret password, secret
decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,
secret FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
member's benefits, and secret Contract Signed
In Werewoof And Elf Blood with a lifetime
GUARANTEE NEVER to have a dog behavior
problem again and your dog will ALWAYS
WANT to do as you ask.

IMPOSSIBLE? It gets EVEN BETTER! Stick around...


Ooops! WE got a TOUGH problem here. I hope you're fit,
dog training is a physical skill not easily learned through
books, the written word just can't SHOW you the precise
moves necessary for commanding a dog.

Every dog is an individual, and we got to SEE the behaviors to
even GUESS what's going on with
your dog. THEN we got to formulate a training
program based on the individual dog's requirements
for physical and emotional PRESSURE and learn
the fine art of attrition and have the expertise to hurt
your dog PRECICELY, and ONLY WHEN NECESSARY.

But FIRST, a trip to the vet is in order. Any sudden changes in
behavior needs to be examined by the
veterinarian and he'll be able to give you a referral
to such an expert who knows HOWE and when to
HURT your dog properly to make it friendly or advise
you when to KILL IT TO BE FAIR.

So, tomorrow morning call your vet and make an appointment in 15
days to put your dog to sleep.
Ask him HOWE MUCH. Hang up the phone and
SPEAK TO NO ONE!!!

SAY NOTHING TILL you put that money into an
envelope with your dog's name PRINTED on it
in UPPER CASE thingys.

MAKE SURE you GO DIRECTLY TO THE BANK, SPEAK
NOTHING!, and withdraw ONLY NEW BILLS!

If you cannot obtain NEW currency KEEP GOIN!
We need CLEAN MONEY for this SACRIFICE.

When you accept this money DO NOT TOUCH!
HAVE THE TELLER PUT THE BILLS INTO THE
ENVELOPE AND SEAL IT.

ASK HER TO PRINT YOUR DOG'S NAME
ON THE BACK,

Ooops! DON'T! That's just an expression.

Hand the teller a note. DON'T SPEAK!

NOT THE FRONT. THE BACK OF THE
SACRIFICIAL ENVELOPE IN UPPER
CASE THINGY'S.

Now you can speak, but don't, nobody
will believe you. Trust me. Take the
envelope to your HOWES and put it
inside your pillow case and FORGET
ABOUT IT. Don't need that for two weeks yet.

Oooops? What's that mean? I don't understand doggietalkie.

You mean she attacks other dogs, boys, girls,
puppys, all dogs? Good. That tells me we
consistency going for us to fix it.

When does she get an opportunity to have a dog cower?


O.K., that's GOOD! That tells me we can
probably break the lunging in a few minutes
of work. Maybe five, but we'll need to repeat
it a few times to generalize the idea.

And we'll need to do a little work to learn to
handle her properly, maybe an hour over
several 15 minute sessions and a half dozen
5 minute sessions. I hope your ciphering is
keepin up with us.

Well, usually? I don't like usually. I like always,
consistent, 100%, that's what's good. Always
consistent. Consistent behaviors change to
other, often seemingly un related, consistent
behaviors.

Dogs like consistency too, but not repression. You'll see.


Ooops! That's good. That tells me the rest of
the problem is as I thought, JUST a little
mishandling. I'll teach you every thing you
need to know. We're about half way
done training aready. WATCH!


All problem dog behaviors are a PREDICTABLE
direct result of our ineffective and inappropriate
responses to our dog's innate normal natural
instinctive reflexive responses to cir***stances
of their environment WE create for them.

I'll teach you HOWE to train yourself to respond
differently to your dog's instinctive reflexes to you,
which will cause your dog to reflex differently to
your CONDITIONED reflexive responses and
interactions towards him, compelling him
to NATURALLY WANT to do EVERY THING
you ask, cause THAT'S THE NATURE OF
THE BEAST.

Once YOU have learned proper handling techniques
and appropriate non physical control through conditioned
distraction and praise *(ABOUT 2 HRS WORK, maybe
less,) you'll be able to negotiate any obstacle LIKE
MAGICK, relying on scientific conditioning and desensitization
techniques and demonstrated self
control as explained in our Contract.. err, your
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com .
Ahem.

Unless you got that one in a BAZILLION dog that's
gonna throw Jerry the dew claw. Don't let that happen.
I'll work you through the whole process and you'll see
results tommorow.

You'll have the behavior in pretty good shape
in a week, and in about ten days we should be
ready to start introducing her to a couple select
dogs in about fif**** minutes of work and then
we'll repeat that again a couple times and again
with a couple moore dogs and then we'll be
ready to start with the first dog again for the off
lead introduction and you're DONE.

Oooops! PROBLEMO. My arithmetic sez we're gonna
need a couple moore days to work this introduction
business till the aggression is thouroghly and permenantely
extinguished. If we break our Contract,
I'm err, shall we say OUTTA HERE FOREVER?

Of course I could handle this a lot faster in person
myself cause I can control you and your dog to insure
the result, so nobody's got to do nothin noHOWE,
but speak when I ask, and hush as I speak and relish
each word like candy you'd eat, and jump when I say,
ask HOWE HIGH and salute, and tout tributes to
Jerry's manual whenever you open your mouth...

That's all. Oh, and one other thing... I hope you don't
faint at the sight of blood. WE got to sign a contract.
HOWE MUCH do you want this dog to turn out
PERFECT in about two weeks? I'm willing to...shall
we say STAKE my ahahahahahaaaa, life on it??? BWWWWAHAHAHAAAA!!!


And NUTHIN. I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME
OF SATAN, DOG LOVER!!!

You'll do as I say and dance when I speak...and sing
for your breakfast and beg for your treat ...I'll stop at
at nuthin to save your dog's life, include sell the souls
of my dog and my wife, to prove there's no way to make
a dog lover right. I'll go with The Devil to save our dog's
lives, I'll fight tooth and nail with guns and with knives,
I'm droppin the hammer on dog trainer's careers,
and takin their eye teeth along with their rears. They
been jerkin and chokin the life outta dogs and now I
got them all by their balls in my jaws...

Now go ahead and pinch my ears..., or just
make me laugh.

I just told you we figured out your dog's problem.


Big deal. She won't do that noMOORE once
you learn to handle her like any of my students.


What trust? The trust established with your
choke collar and corrections?

Don't worry about a thing. WE got a CONTRACT. Remember?


BWWWWAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

Got me laughin in Spanish and I don't even speak Spanish.


Deals? Sounds tentative. She's just a little shy. Don't
worry about it. I'm the only game in town. I got the deal
and Jerry don't make no deals... Well not no moore,
since I'm temporarily HOWETA... mmm, currency.

Jerry don't compromise with dog lovers who prefer to
hurt and kill dogs than spend a couple hours trying to show the
dog HOWE to live instead of forcing IT to
choose the degree of pain it prefers to tolerate in
between spurts of life, anxiety, and repression.


Shy. The anxiety is a result of punishment for being
aggressive cause she's shy, or maybe just from back
when a puppy jumpin up onto a guest and gettin kneed
in the chest or toes stepped on or alphaphalpha rolled
and growled into their throat pr just SCRUFF SHAKE
and screamed NO for 5 seconds or chin CHUKED and
bit on the ears till they piss themselves or jerked and
choked on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or
burned with a medical grade static like stimulation device
or containment system like our dog lovers at k9 web and
cindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooron recommend TO ENHANCE THE
BOND between 'trainer' and dog.

Our traditional training methods are what's making
your dog turn on you for hurting and scaring her during
her meetings with other dogs. Our pal lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn and janet boss recommend pronged
spiked pinch choke and shock and citronella collars
for training this kind of dog... and they'd rather not put
IT through all that when there's SO MANY dogs that
are deserving of their HELP. And then they'll deny
it, despite it's archived FOREVER.

You see where WE're goin with all this? WATCH.

I'd probably come real close to dropping the
hammer on them myself. My dogs will bite
you if a stranger meeting us put their hands
on us in a restraining manner. We don't like that.

Trust me. Strangers touching us means we got
to run and find an adult or a policeman. RIGHT?
Either that or...


Me too. I never trust a dog. I only trust my training methods and
then we don't got to worry about what
the heel the dog cares... who the heel's the
goddamned trainer, you or the dog?

THE DOG!

You got to TRAIN YOURSELF to reflex to his
needs properly and then he'll reflex to his natural
instinct and be able to use his dog skills as part
of your family pack, equally with you and the other
family members.

Every thing you've been taught about handling your dog
is DEAD WRONG and your dog is prima facia evidence
in Jerry's Giiihhhaaad against the dog behavior industry
for bringing us every dog behavior problem we've got.


$#!T! You're gonna try and make this hard for
me aren't ya, pullin the fear/guilt double high
card trump tryin to make Old Jerry roll over
and piss himself with the 2 yo kid card???

NOTHIN DOIN! Get the heel outta here!

IN THE NAME OF SATAN I REBUKE YOU, DOG LOVERS!!!

Duh-Oh! Spooooookey!!! BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!


THAT'S GREAT! I do too. I like all dogs on general principle and
individual dogs on merit and don't like
nobody no moore than me...and mine. You got your
copy of The Contract?

Don't worry about nuthin. Me an mine are
comin through this alive... sort of, in a sense.


Vs what? I would like to know when she's not
calm and able to relax... tell us what she's doin.
THOSE are the anxiety relief mechanisms WE
need to deal with so I can fulfill OUR Contract
and... finish you off, and that little dog too!


LIKEWISE. WE got a long term Contract. Haven't we?

Yeah, as a matter of fact we got EXPERTS
here. Let me INTRODUCE you around?


Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to
another forum. Weren't you, dog lovers?

We'll introduce our new found friends later.

Right now our OP's got some studying to do
before she has an accident cause she won't
know HOWE to handle her lead to stop
triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin
time with dog abusers who jerk and choke
dogs.

That's moore then half of what gets IT angry.

Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.

I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry.
j;~)

Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive
had with your training manual! My two mutts have
gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND
My friends have seen the success and have asked
me to work on their dogs!

I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female
today and she was being an angel after like an hour
of working with her! it is AMAZING!!

I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where
the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree?
A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes
off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)

Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!

NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.

================

Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.

Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.

Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn

Nevyn says:
How are you?

Jerry says:
sup?

Nevyn says:
Oh nothing

Nevyn says:

My dogs are alot better now!

Jerry says:
fine

Jerry says:
tell me

Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other
dogs

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats

Jerry says:
naah

Nevyn says:
Yup

Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?

Nevyn says:
No

Nevyn says:
Praised them

Jerry says:
ahh!

Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better

Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and
pours water on them

Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!

Nevyn says:
muahaha

Jerry says:
ok

Jerry says:
I'll go for that

Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're
consistent

Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them

Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends

Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath

Nevyn says:
muahahaha

Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're ****in hind
teat?

Nevyn says:
eh

Nevyn says:
nah

Nevyn says:
cant

Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin

Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it

Jerry says:
why not.

Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server

Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?

Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know,
huh?

Nevyn says:
hah

Nevyn says:
tell them they're ****ers who need to die

Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much

Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now

Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?

Nevyn says:
pfftt

Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training

Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual

Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!

Jerry says:
hhahahahaha

Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're
wanting them to do?

Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.

Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass
off at him growling at his dogs???

Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Nevyn says:
LOL

Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!

Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune

=====================

Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL

Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!

Nevyn says:
lol

Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.

Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------

From: Nevyn (alien4@wasp.net.au)
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST

Hello

I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly
are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes)
x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don't laugh!).

They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home
with them, and they are friendly with unknown
people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant
over the other, and I don't have a problem with that,
however;

Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they
are very good whilst I'm walking them, some
days they are not. They are 3 years old and
have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now
I'm home so I walk them for about an hour
and half every afternoon. I take them to the
park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.

This is my problem :

The less-dominant dog viscously barks at
every other dog we walk past; I have tried
using a stick and giving her a tap when
she does it, and treating her with treats
when she doesn't, using a choke chain,
a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff
in her mouth when she barks.

She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]

Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know
this is WRONG, when the other dog barks,
she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other
dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then
the barking one attacks the more-dominant
one and they fight on the leash... it is
quite disturbing to the people walking past.

And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores
them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday.

The less dominant one I must keep on a
leash if a person brings there dog to the park.

How do I stop them attacking other dogs?

I have tried all the methods I have used
above for 10 months every afternoon.
Is it just a pack-behaviour thing?

It can really be quite embarrassing when your
dogs attack some old lady's or little girl's dog.

They are good dogs, when at home or when
there are no other dogs around. Today there
were hundreds of sparrows flying around the
park and they were chasing them and jumping
up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes
(They went straight to bed when I bought them home!).

Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails
address, alien4@wasp.net.au coz this list is
tooo crowded.

Thanks,
Nevyn


The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,


news:<kQpyc.70017$0X2.3620650@twister.tampabay.rr. com>...

That's sheer idiocy. The dog is jumpin to BOND.
You ignore the dog and he tries HARDER.


Ooops! That could make you MENTAL.


No. BigB is DEAD WRONG. THAT'S HOWE COME
she can't train a dog any better than you with or withHOWET HURTING him.

Perhaps you was thinkin folks wouldn't identify
you as a liar and dog abuser and mental case?:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
-- Lynn K.

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20 ginger57@my-deja.com wrote:


Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."


Lynn K. wrote:

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.
---------------------------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K.
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
news:<04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>.. .

"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.

This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.


I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?

"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.

No different tune," ~Emily


WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every
day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn
more, while happily sharing pertinent information
I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t,
I would hope that every other reader of this group
would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the
easily understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."

Lynn K.

-----------------------------------------

"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

SEE? TOLD YA SO!

Here's lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's PARTNER:

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?

"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"

Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.

"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."--Mike
Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"

You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?

LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS
Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined -----------------------------------------


"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
- she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
a comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."

Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------

LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
----------------------------------------

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/03 BoxHill wrote:

Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of
watered down for the mass market, if
you know what I mean. There's really
quite a lot of good work out there and
decent research. Thank God.

Lynn K.
---------------------------------------

MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...

YOU DO THE MATH

"What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,
'I take anti-depressives'"

-------------------------------------

From: Gary & lois Edwards (garyl@bmi.net)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene?
Date: 1999/09/02

BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS

"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have
the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific,
is now days you can say proudly,

"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful.
If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with
a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word
depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say,
"You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have
any pain meds.....you could become addicted."

The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.

No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose
plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as
does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone
with problems could be counted on to be
irresponsible."

Lois E.
-------------------------------------

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY sinofabitch,

That's crazy. You don't hit dogs for bein
afraid of you hurtin them. You'd hang the dog for that.


INDEED? You think you could look them
in the eye after attacking their dog and
grHOWELIN into ITS throat an biting it on
the ears and gettin bagged lying abHOWET it? sinofabitch writes:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."


"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

From: sionnach (rhyfelwr@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

Your personal pal janet wouldn't abuse a dog.
She's a rescue shelter dog lover. She heelps
dog lovers communicate with their dogs. Like THIS:
"J1Boss" <j1boss@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...


An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
E***CEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

They're DUMB ANIMALS they HURT and MURDER.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST


And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical ****ysis.

--Marshall =================
"Marshall Dermer" <dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.


"Estel J. Hines" <ejhines@comcast.net> wrote in message news:w86dna9lBfNZgbTdRVn-hA@comcast.com...

Nuthin E***CEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.


Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?


You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face for 5 seconds?


NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.


****-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ****-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you
can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE
cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and
a coward and a MENTAL CASE.

Here's HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard teaches
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students to train their critters NEARLY
INSTANTLY.

New Law Of Physics

HOWEDY People,

"The amount of misery and difficulty a dog abuser
has from their dogs is directly proportionate to the
number of times they've WARNED people to KILLFILE
Jerry and not study your FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual..."

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs, NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

Here's Disciple Paulie:

Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

========================

Here's a couple of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students tellin you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE:
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> schreef inbericht newsLpzb.2640$Qd6.1560@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

My dog (a 1 year old Yellow Lab) was biting his tail
at the root (Vet said his **** gland was blocked, and
was causing an itch).

After squeezing it, he still wouldn't stop biting his
tail. The vet advised a neck-funnel (don't know wat
you US-guy's call those) so he couldn't reach his butt.

I hate those things, i think they will drive a dog nuts.

I tried the wits end method. (difficult to read such a long
textfile if English is not your native language) Luckily this
is without all the "HOWE's" etc.so at least it's readable for
somebody like me.

The minute he started to bite i trew my key's
next to him on the floor, and praised him (he
stopped biting and looked up when he heard
the sound) I did this 7 times,

after that the tailbiting completely stopped.
Just give the wits end method a try.

One of the possible downloadlocations
is http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html


Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11 ----------------------------
"Paul B" <abcde@clear.net.nz> schreef in bericht news:3ff50d83@clear.net.nz...

The same thing worked with my lab licking/chewing
problem too. He had an itch due to blocked **** glands
and started chewing and licking his tail at the root.

After the glands were squeezed, and the itch was
gone he still wouldn't stop. (because the place he
chewed raw was itching)

After some training (roughly the same methode as
yours) he stopped.

--
Hennie van Dalen
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/ --------------------------------------
"Hennie van Dalen" <h.vandalen11***removethis***@chello.nl>
wrote in message news:TlsCb.2895$7U1.7896@amstwist00...

RTFM is age-old computer lingo.... It stands for "Read The F***ing
Manual" ;-) I used the manual and it works
very good!

But it is a long text to read (76 pages printed on
A4-size paper) My lab is 1year old now, and teaching
him something new takes about 30minutes
(depending on what to teach offcourse)

My other dog (a 7year old staffordshire terrier-mix) is a bit
slower in learning, but he is used to me calling him a "bad
dog"whenever he did something i didn't want him to do, or
it might be the age.

Sometimes it looks like Sam (the lab) WANTS to learn
something new: he wants me to bring along the can
filled with washers whenever we go for a walk. It is a
very "humane" way of teaching: the dog is allways a
"good dog", and never a "bad dog"

There is nu punishment or prong-collars involved.

For a fact i tought him to heel in 15min's without
beeing on a leach at-all !!! When he spotted a dog,
he used to run towards it, but now i tought him to "ask
permission" first, and to my surprise it worked!

My dogs never went to puppy-training (lucky for them),
maybe this helped too.

Manual can be found at http://www.doggydoright.com/id3.html

-- Hennie van Dalen http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11
http://www.chello.nl/~h.vandalen11/fotografie/doggy-pictures/


"Ted Rumple" <rumplemint@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.0309290208.135e9ab1@posting.google.c om...

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY lying frosty dahl,

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's got a SEELECTIVELY
BRED HAND PICKED and TESTED SAR dog who in
his RETIREMENT is NHOWE entertraining sheep hurtin.

news:<kQpyc.70017$0X2.3620650@twister.tampabay.rr. com>...

BigB is CANINE ACTION TRAINING, a new poster,
professional trainer who recently hired leah roberts
pryor to readin her case history, an oversight, no DHOWET.


The dog jumps to greet bond or from anxiHOWESNESS.

No. You're REJECTING your dog's BONDING
attempts and increasing anxiHOWESNESS.


That could make WON mental. Ooops! Pardon.


INDEED. It's all in The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
Archives on Google. Check it HOWET. You mighn't
like it but that's just HOWE it IS.


If the dog wants to do sumpthin you don't
want just ask him to do it differently.

You could. But the dog mightn't realize that.
Even if he did, chances are he's just as happy
to put you HOWET.

Who WON?

When negotiating with dogs children and spHOWESES
you gotta have a win win mentality and the other party
gotta start winnin first or you'll never win.


Yeah. No killin in that.


INDEED. You've been followin these
bums case histories in field and agility
trials. You've seen HOWE they turn NQ's
and DISSmissals and their dogs jumpin
HOWETA the ring into VALUABLE LESSONS and SUCCESSES.

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:

"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me."

BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!

"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more frequent
and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.)
to get the job done,

This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome

Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors."

Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.

We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...


Like maybe quoting you?


Or denying it:

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Cir***stance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"

LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.

"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.

"Rocky" <2dogs@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...


INDEED:

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"

(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl. BWEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!

"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.


CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished


"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"

Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"

CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.

When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished

"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."

"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.


You FLUNKED clicker trainin. See your own post:
"Clicker Project FIZZLES." Then see "Swiss Cheese
Method" to find HOWET HOWE COME you FAILED clicker trainin.

A dog is a dog.


"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."


Perhaps the OP just needs some puppy raisin tips?:

Here's lying frosty dahl BEATING A DOG to TRAIN IT:

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.

In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.

If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.

Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."

=====================

Amy Dahl writes:

"From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed
any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
their method on everyone, or calling others names because
they do not use the method.

I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
studied.

And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
number of methods.

Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.

Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?

First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly,
Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's
actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully
designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the
trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very
few corrections are needed.

In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.

END lyingfrosty dahl

If you are interested in purchasing a dignified stick to
lay across you puppy's arse, just send a personal check
or money order in the amount of $30-$40 for a 30"-40"
long whuppin stick.

These all natural hickory switches will outlast an
entire litter of puppies! MAYBE MOORE!! Supplies
limited, so HURRY! Be the first in your club to have
the hickory switch training aid guaranteed for the life
of your dog (which may be much shorter than nature
intended!).

Ask yourself: "HOWE COME DOESN'T JERRY
HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?"

And then just answer: "On AccHOWENT Of
JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS
WITHOUT HURTING THEM."

And THEN SAY OUT LHOWED: "IGNORE
JERRY, HE'S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS."

You can get all the information you need to
PUPPERLY handle and train your dog using
non force, non confrontational, scientific and
psychological methods, in your FREE copy
of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual.

Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe,
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996":

"Housebreaking problems:

Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.

When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.

It is important to your future relationship that you do
not rush at him and start swinging before you get hold of him.

When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much punishing.
Be consistent in your handling. To have a pup almost
house-broken and then force him to commit an error by
not providing an opportunity to go outside is very
unfair. Careful planning will make your job easier.

The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.

For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.

The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves you
no other course than to punish him sufficiently to
convince him that the satisfaction of his wrongdoing is
not worth the consequences.

If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the
mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing.

In most cases, the dog that deliberately does
this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as
well as the house, if you really pour it on him.

Some of the new "breaking scents" on the market can
aid in your house-breaking program. One type
discourages the dog from even visiting an
area. Another encourages him to relieve himself in the
area where it is sprinkled. Your pet shop should be
able to supply further information on the brands available
in your district.

Be fair to your dog in what and when you feed him and
be consistent in your efforts to housebreak him, and
you'll soon accomplish the job.

BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING,
SCREAMING, AND WAILING

The fact that you realize you have such a problem
makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often
enough to let him know you were against his sound
effects, even though your reproving didn't quiet them,
so we'll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of
water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start
with something more emphatic.

We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct:
the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and
windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary
people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a
good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and
plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use
his mind rather than his mouth.

But you won't make the permanent impression unless
you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise
the control he thus acquires. Make sure these
opportunities don't always come at the same time
of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet
hour" and pursue his old routines at other times.

With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow
the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the
most from his lesson. As was mentioned before,
eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the
dog's value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows
more discriminating, increase it.

The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or
lonesomeness because you're gone constitutes a
different problem. If it is impractical for someone
to stay with him constantly (there are owners who
cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll have
to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog.

This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand.

Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective
effort doesn't turn into a footrace around the house
until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of
the line in the correction will also serve to establish it
as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around
when you're not present.

Next, equip yourself with a man's leather belt or a
strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good
tanning. Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard.
Remember, you're dealing with a dog who knows he
should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to
see that he does.

When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to
the door so you can barge in while he's still barking,
which is generally impossible, respond to his first
sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep
on bellowing as you charge back to his area.

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt
that you've conveniently placed, and descend on him.
He'll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and
reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or,
if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him up with a
hitch on something.

While he's held in close, lay the strap vigorously
against his thighs.

Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter
end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat
on the number of repeat performances that will be
necessary.

When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he
is, put him on a long down to think things over while you
catch your breath. After fif**** or twenty minutes, release
him from the stay and leave the area again.

So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth
that a great percentage of the barkers who are given
away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box
with the sweet smell. Personally, I've always felt that
it's even better to spank children, even if they "cry
out," than to "put them to sleep."

You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch
before your dog starts broadcasting again. When he
does, let your long range bellow tie the consequent
correction to his first sound and repeat the
spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more.

It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another
day off so that you'll have time to follow through
sufficiently. When you have a full day, you will be able
to convince him each yelp will have a bad
consequence, and the consistency will make your job
easier. If he gets away with his concert part of the
time, he'll be apt to gamble on your inconsistency.

After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the
correction" will be tied in close enough association so
that you can move in on him without the preliminary
bellowing of "out." From then on, it's just a case of
laying for the dog and supplying enough bad
consequences of his noise so he'll no longer feel like
gambling.

If there has been a long history of barking and whining,
it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be
quiet when you're not around, so give the above
method an honest try before you presume your dog
requires a more severe correction." wm koehler.

the puppy wizard

news:<kQpyc.70017$0X2.3620650@twister.tampabay.rr. com>...


Or quitting a search and rescue?:

HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

"I hope to hell someone tells me to hang up
both my uniform and my leashes. And I'll
always be distrustful of anyone who claims
to know everything."

NO PROBLEMO!

YOUR DOG DONE THAT FOR US!
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:t5kCc.23497$Y3.4946@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

the puppy wizard

HOWEDY Soup,

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

tommy soronson aka dogman aka joe
finnochiario aka dozens of other false
screen names won't even admit who
he is cause he's ashamed.

That COULD mean he's NOT insane,
just highly ignorant crude incompetent
and afraid. Kinda like some of the dogs
we meet here on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum.

<info@canineaction.com>


BigB is HOWER newest FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Forum Member.


That, bein FRAUDreck hassan, of sit means
sit raidio shock show. Hey Soup? You remember
that time FRAUDreck accidentally sent in some
of his favorite *** **** **** sites? That was a
pretty good look into life in Vegas, eh Soup?


FRAUDreck, like lyingdogDUMMY and most of
HOWER dog lovers are egoists. They live on
their false undeserved pride and create their own
reality to suit their weak fear ridden minds and
compensate for their inferiority complexes.

The dog is the perfect vehicle for this.These
mental cases and non mental cases LOVE
that subservient submissive look.

Hey Soup? Is SADISM a MENTAL ILLNESS?


Sez an anonymHOWES coward and sadist,
a homophobe who under the guise of joey
finnochiario leads the HIV forum, where joey
tries to CONvince QUEERS that AIDS is not
CONtagiHOWES and they can engage in un-
protected *** safely cause the whole SCAM
is the pharmacutical companies rippin off Uncle
Sam for research funds like professor SCRUFF
SHAKE and his ilk are doin.

Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME dr. p of UofWI
and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of UofWI ****-
ytic behavior research are so eager to repress
the INFORMATION The Amazing Puppy Wizard has presented here?

You mean ruining.


You mean his great dog that won't do nuthin
unless he's gettin BURNED till he figgers it HOWET.


Yeah. Like burnin a rat on a hot plate. Only
difference is, the entire floor is the hot plate
and the only SAFE place is on the board.

The concept is EZ, Soup. We just HURT the
dog CONSTANTLY till he FIGGERS IT HOWET.


Good point, tommy soronson. The line is drawn
when fear force intimidation bribery avoidance
confinement social isolation intimidation and
aversives are used to handle and train any animal
for any behavior, including to "SAVE THEM FROM
THE NEEDLY," your favorite koehler saying.

Perhaps the PeTA folks aren't the MENTAL
CASES and PUKES we been told they are
after all, Soup?

After all, who you gonna believe? A fanatic
or a MENTAL CASE who abuses animals
for money and lies abHOWET it and won't
even identify themselves or ADMIT it when
they've been made as a ETHICKAL BREEDER
or shelter / rescue Angel Of Death.


Hurting dumb animals is NOT a matter of
OPINION or PREFERENCE, it's a matter
of CRIMINAL LAW and MENTAL ILLNESS.


That's not the ISSUE, that's only a SYMPTOM.

The ISSUE IS, HURTING and INTIMIDATING
anyWON is inapupriate and can cause seriHOWES
emotioinal trauma, aka Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
and The Stockholm Syndrome and STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME.

That's essentially what happens when the dog
comes lookin for affection after he's been BURNED
for a HOWER or so.

Wouldn't an intelligent behavioral researcher do
a FUNctional ****-ysis of the DATA we've accrued
here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives
on Google?

Seems the findings could revolutionize the behaviorISM
industry and prove most behaviorists and trainers are
FRAUDS and INCOMPETENTS and plain old scam
artists, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE comin here
to sell his masters degree program... BWEEEEEHAHAHAAA!!!


The Amazing Puppy Wizard has summed it all up.

We're dealing with a CONspiracy of incompetent
Sadists and active long term incurable mental
cases who'll do and say anything to defend their
alleged right to HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER
HOWER BEST DOGS and make money at it comin
an goin hand over fist and come HOWET lookin
like HERO'S instead of FRAUDS MURDERERS
and MENTAL ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

These Sadists argue that in training situations
where there is risk of harm it's worth the price
of admission to try HURTIN the dog as a LAST
RESORT.

Would you stay at a resort like that, Soup?

There ain't a DEAD DOG we've enterTRAINED
TO DEATH here abHOWETS that couldn't have
been rehabilitated NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply
NOT HURTING and INTIMIDATING them.

So, HOWER Sadists swear they ain't hurtin the dog.

Shock collars only administer a precision timed
static like stimulation the dog LOVES cause he'll
jump on a board to aviod it.

Well, if it didn't HURT HOWE COME would you AVOID it?


I'd LOVE to hear the audio on that and observe
HOWE many times FRAUDreck had to BURN the helpless dog.


INDEEDY, Soup.The Universe owes you a debt.


This'll settle any questions: http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE3.ram http://changethemuzzle.com/4LANE.ram


HOWER E***PERT DOG TRAINERS here abHOWETS
call doin what you're doin in 4lane as dangerHOWES
and "MINDLESS STUPID DOG TRICK." They say you
risk the life of your dogs doin a STUPID PET TRICK
to satisfy your ego.

Looks like you was doin what you gotta do
every day to get to the dog park and back,
ain't it, Soup? THAT'S UTILITY.


As it should be done.


You mean, to prove to yourself that shocking dogs
don't HURT if you shut the juice off or don't press
the button or ain't a E***PERT dog trainer?

Here's janet boss burnin a dog with a "neck
muscle pulsing NINE" on your Innoteck shock collar":
"J1Boss" <j1boss@aol.com> wrote in message news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...

"sionnach" <rhyfelwr@msn.com> wrote in message news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...


An INSENSITIVE DOG???

Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
E***CEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTAL CASES
LIARS and COWARDS HURT and MURDER.

See janet's thread "interested in hearing" where
she IGNORED two shock containment systems
that made the little dog FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of VISITORS and she told them to lock IT in a
box and jerk and choke IT on a pronged spiked
pinch choke collar to make IT friendly.

Like THIS:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
- Lynn K.

O.K. Soup. You got a university education. The
Amazing Puppy Wizard is only a uneducated
backyard shade tree shit kickin dog trainer. The
question is, is Sadism MENTAL ILLNESS?

Second part of the question is HOWE many
manifestations of MENTALLY ILL does WON
need to be considered MENTALLY ILL?

Here's a typical shock collar trained dog:

"I posted this to rec.pets.dogs.health without
too much success. Things are beginning to
get much worse day by day and the vets seem
unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and ASYLUM ESCAPEES.


Yeah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is workin on WON.

FRAUDreck has done well do***enting the
reports we've seen of the constant state of
fear and pain his dogs enjoy:

From: DogStar716 (dogstar716@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking


View this article only
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2004-06-01 20:13:09 PST

I have a friend who lives in Vegas and gets to
witness firsthand the SIT MEANS SIT crew in
action... cruising their vans through the neighborhoods,
practicing at dog parks, and the classes...

from what she says, it ain't pretty.

And no, I don't agree with shock collar training
unless it's a last resort for a dangerous behavior.

That my opinion, and I'm sticking to it Dogstar716

Don't need to SEE nuthin, Soup. HURTING
dogs makes them MENTAL and is CRUEL
and we gotta get laws passed protecting dogs
and guillible citizens from the likes of a professor
SCRUFF SHAKE dermer or dr. p or a MENTAL
CASE like culprit aka kelly aka metta:

From: culprit (culprit@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert, while
walking
Date: 2004-06-02 23:26:41 PST

and i have a friend who took one of Fred's seminars
and is a total convert to the e collars. from his description,
the class was excellent, and the collar is the perfect tool.

he spent hours trying to explain to me why it's
better than a clicker. and this is an intelligent
man i'm talking about.

i suspect our friends offer different extreme observations,
and the truth probably lies somewhere between. -kelly
"culprit" <culprit@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:2gftgmF2f4stU1@uni-berlin.de...

From: Gwen Watson (gwen@ig.utexas.edu)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing
bark alert, while walking
Date: 2004-06-03 05:15:05 PST

Let's put it this way, you will probably never find
a Schutzhund dog get first place at the podium
(Nationals) at age 3 years old "just" using or even
using a clicker.

OTOH you most certainly will find a 3 year old
dog make it to the podium in the Nationals using
an e-collar.

From what I have seen the clicker is a great tool
for lots of pet trainers as well as pretty experienced
trainers. But *often* to really get a dog solid in some
training skills, like Schutzhund or hunting trials it will
take the use of an e-collar.

Gwen
e-collar as tool.


THAT'S INSANE. gwen honey just recently
got a DEAD DOG over a TRAGICK SHOCK FENCE ACCIDENT.


<snip link>

Like them shelter dogs he was burning that
he borrowed from the P-HOWEND to train
his new class of dog abusers.

But shocking dogs doesn't hurt them according
to sinofabitch gwen honey lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn, lying frosty dahl janet boss culprit lyingdogDUMMY
Master Of Deception blankiman leah HEY! We got
the whole goddamned rpdb MENTALLY ILL contingient!

It'd be EZier to say WHO AIN'T A MENTAL CASE or SADIST.

Perhaps the dog is just havin some frontal lobe seizures
like what causes professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog
Maxie The Magnificient FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator to furiHOWESLY masturbate on his C-HOWEch
pillows when he misses his daily five miles of bicycle exercise?


You mighta had you spent the past forty years
specializing in temperament and behavior problems
like HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard done, Soup.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has offered money
just to have WON of HOWER dog lovers ASK
the hard questions that professor SCRUFF SHAKE
and dr. p won't answer cause it'd mean the end
of their careers in the university.

Unless we just close the discussions and
bring it to the state board of education?


Thanks, Soup. <"Terri"@cyberhighway


Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===============


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