socilaist wankers are stupid

Subject: [f4jinternational] TWO DAYS ... and counting! Letter from F4J

16th October 2003
Asker Husain
The Legal Secretariat to the Law Officers
Attorney General¹s Chambers
9 Buckingham Gate
London SW1E 6JP
Ref: Dr Michael Pelling
Your Ref; CONT/20/03

Dear Mr Husain,

Thank you for your letter of 13th October.

We recently put the Government, The President of the Family Courts and Cafcass on notice that if the Family Courts did not begin to enforce their
own contact orders between children and their fathers then we would begin what we describe as a rising¹ against the entire Family Law Industry commencing 22nd October. Regrettably, no such commitment to enforce contact
orders made in the Family Courts has been forthcoming at the time of writing.

Fathers 4 Justice is a civil rights group that has been in existence for some 10 months and is now the single largest equal parenting campaign group with over 3,000 supporters. Highlighting miscarriages of justice and bringing them to the attention of Parliament and the general public is a
fundamental cornerstone of our campaign.

The protections¹ you describe in your letter serve not to protect the best interests of the child but to further perpetuate a conspiracy of silence that suffocates public debate about the crisis in the family courts. It was
Parliaments express intention that the child¹s best interest was generally best served by retaining the love and care of both their parents.

This intention is scandalously broken day in day out in the Family Courts. Only recently in a landmark judgement Lord Justice Thorpe upheld a no contact order between a daughter and her father in the Court of Appeal as
contact between the child and the father made the mother anxious and depressed¹. This is a disgrace.

The courts have effectively replaced the child¹s best interest with the mother¹s best interests. This is totally unacceptable and demonstrates a flagrant disregard not only for our own law but both ECHR legislation and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

For years other equal parenting groups have striven to bring these injustices to the governments attention. This perversion of Parliament¹s intention cannot be allowed to continue.

Addressing the key points in your letter you state that this is about the administration of justice¹. It is not. It is about the administration of the law and your interpretation of it. A law which Sir Bob Geldof stated in a recent essay, Omust be destroyed¹. You also make a dangerous presumption
in that there is public confidence¹ in the courts. I can tell you
unequivocally that there is none, only a growing army of angry fathers and disposed parents and grandparents stripped of their parental rights and asset stripped by a system that purports to be acting impartially and in
the best interests of the child¹.

Not only do you misrepresent the facts in your letter you also fail to inform me that as my actions are so serious¹) what steps would have to be taken against me to maintain the (pretence of) public confidence.

For the record, let me make my position and that of our supporters clear. Commencing 22nd October there will begin a rising and challenge to the authority of the Family Courts, Cafcass and other related organisations the like this country has never seen. Already Fathers 4 Justice have been
involved in sit ins¹ at Solicitors offices and Cafcass offices across the country and occupied the Lord Chancellors Department (Xmas 2002), the Family Division of the High Court in London (Fathers Day 2003), and Family Courts
in Plymouth and this week in Chelmsford. Last Thursday I was physically denied access to the Royal Courts of Justice by the Met Police and ejected from the Head Offices of Cafcass.

These acts of peaceful non violent direct action were but a prelude to a wider national campaign that will likely see a massive escalation in this civil rights struggle by hundreds and maybe even thousands of our supporters
in the coming months. Be under no illusion, we are prepared, prepared for arrest and even prison. Our resolve is strong, our determination without limit, our commitment indefatigable.

As a proud and loving father, I will not be intimidated by the threat of steps¹, whatever they are, be they arrest, detainment, imprisonment or any other punishment for pursuing a course of action which I believe is my moral
duty not only to this country but also to my two boys who will not inherit a wretched system that actively encourages this hateful forced removal of children from their fathers. You can do your worst. We will do our best, to bring your government down on all levels

Yours sincerely

Matthew O¹Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

david deilley

Two comments:

Hansel should note that the leaders of this movement in England are capable of coherent writing. That is why they are having an impact and semi-literate rage-aholic Hansel is little more than a buffoon masturbating back at the monkeys at the zoo.

Hansel should also note that if today is the 17th and the F4J's action day is the 22nd, then the government has FICE days until the deadline, not TWO as indicated in Hansel's semi-literate subject line. Not only is Hansel unable to string together a coherent sentence, he can't add either.

The biggest barrier faced by divorced Canadian fathers fighting the system: the failure of their own poor-quality leadership.
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Subject: [f4jinternational] TWO DAYS ... and counting! Letter from F4J


16th October 2003
Asker Husain
The Legal Secretariat to the Law Officers
Attorney General¹s Chambers
9 Buckingham Gate
London SW1E 6JP
Ref: Dr Michael Pelling
Your Ref; CONT/20/03

Dear Mr Husain,

Thank you for your letter of 13th October.

We recently put the Government, The President of the Family Courts and Cafcass on notice that if the Family Courts did not begin to enforce their
own contact orders between children and their fathers then we would begin what we describe as a rising¹ against the entire Family Law Industry commencing 22nd October. Regrettably, no such commitment to enforce contact
orders made in the Family Courts has been forthcoming at the time of writing.

Fathers 4 Justice is a civil rights group that has been in existence for some 10 months and is now the single largest equal parenting campaign group with over 3,000 supporters. Highlighting miscarriages of justice and bringing them to the attention of Parliament and the general public is a
fundamental cornerstone of our campaign.

The protections¹ you describe in your letter serve not to protect the best interests of the child but to further perpetuate a conspiracy of silence that suffocates public debate about the crisis in the family courts. It was
Parliaments express intention that the child¹s best interest was generally best served by retaining the love and care of both their parents.

This intention is scandalously broken day in day out in the Family Courts. Only recently in a landmark judgement Lord Justice Thorpe upheld a no contact order between a daughter and her father in the Court of Appeal as
contact between the child and the father made the mother anxious and depressed¹. This is a disgrace.

The courts have effectively replaced the child¹s best interest with the mother¹s best interests. This is totally unacceptable and demonstrates a flagrant disregard not only for our own law but both ECHR legislation and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

For years other equal parenting groups have striven to bring these injustices to the governments attention. This perversion of Parliament¹s intention cannot be allowed to continue.

Addressing the key points in your letter you state that this is about the administration of justice¹. It is not. It is about the administration of the law and your interpretation of it. A law which Sir Bob Geldof stated in a recent essay, Omust be destroyed¹. You also make a dangerous presumption
in that there is public confidence¹ in the courts. I can tell you
unequivocally that there is none, only a growing army of angry fathers and disposed parents and grandparents stripped of their parental rights and asset stripped by a system that purports to be acting impartially and in
the best interests of the child¹.

Not only do you misrepresent the facts in your letter you also fail to inform me that as my actions are so serious¹) what steps would have to be taken against me to maintain the (pretence of) public confidence.

For the record, let me make my position and that of our supporters clear. Commencing 22nd October there will begin a rising and challenge to the authority of the Family Courts, Cafcass and other related organisations the like this country has never seen. Already Fathers 4 Justice have been
involved in sit ins¹ at Solicitors offices and Cafcass offices across the country and occupied the Lord Chancellors Department (Xmas 2002), the Family Division of the High Court in London (Fathers Day 2003), and Family Courts
in Plymouth and this week in Chelmsford. Last Thursday I was physically denied access to the Royal Courts of Justice by the Met Police and ejected from the Head Offices of Cafcass.

These acts of peaceful non violent direct action were but a prelude to a wider national campaign that will likely see a massive escalation in this civil rights struggle by hundreds and maybe even thousands of our supporters
in the coming months. Be under no illusion, we are prepared, prepared for arrest and even prison. Our resolve is strong, our determination without limit, our commitment indefatigable.

As a proud and loving father, I will not be intimidated by the threat of steps¹, whatever they are, be they arrest, detainment, imprisonment or any other punishment for pursuing a course of action which I believe is my moral
duty not only to this country but also to my two boys who will not inherit a wretched system that actively encourages this hateful forced removal of children from their fathers. You can do your worst. We will do our best, to bring your government down on all levels

Yours sincerely

Matthew O¹Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

socilaist wankers are stupid

"David the feminist Reilley" who lives in Victoria BC on View street beside

(DAvid wrote his socilaist feminist stupidity)- Two comments:Hansel should
note that the leaders of this movement in England are capable of coherent
writing.

the movement has indeed moved to Canada as Canadian fathers are employing
the same tactic's in England...

(DAvid the play doe minsless idiot wrote in his stupidity)- That is why they
are having an impact and semi-literate rage-aholic Hansel is little more
than a buffoon masturbating back at the monkeys at the zoo.

What David will not say, but does support is the removal of children from
Fathers at any cost, which is why he supports the NDP feminazi's and kisses
their asses at any chance he can get, the ****ing loser and s*** bag only
care about his drug induced stupidity...

(DAvid wrote his stupidity)- Hansel should also note that if today is the
17th and the F4J's action day is the 22nd, then the government has FICE
days until the deadline, not TWO as indicated in Hansel's semi-literate
subject line. Not only is Hansel unable to string together a coherent
sentence, he can't add either.

What the idiot David doesn't get I didn't write it because he is to stupid
to know the difference.


(DAvid the moron wrote his stupidity)- The biggest barrier faced by divorced
Canadian fathers fighting the system: the failure of their own poor-quality
leadership.

While David supports feminazi's killing fathers and removing children from
you fathers, his real goal is to be the biggest idiot the socilaist feminist
has to offer. He is stupid and lacks intellingence to do anything. He is a
wanker....


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Subject: [f4jinternational] TWO DAYS ... and counting! Letter from F4J


16th October 2003
Asker Husain
The Legal Secretariat to the Law Officers
Attorney General¹s Chambers
9 Buckingham Gate
London SW1E 6JP
Ref: Dr Michael Pelling
Your Ref; CONT/20/03

Dear Mr Husain,

Thank you for your letter of 13th October.

We recently put the Government, The President of the Family Courts and
Cafcass on notice that if the Family Courts did not begin to enforce their
own contact orders between children and their fathers then we would begin
what we describe as a rising¹ against the entire Family Law Industry
commencing 22nd October. Regrettably, no such commitment to enforce contact
orders made in the Family Courts has been forthcoming at the time of
writing.

Fathers 4 Justice is a civil rights group that has been in existence for
some 10 months and is now the single largest equal parenting campaign group
with over 3,000 supporters. Highlighting miscarriages of justice and
bringing them to the attention of Parliament and the general public is a
fundamental cornerstone of our campaign.

The protections¹ you describe in your letter serve not to protect the best
interests of the child but to further perpetuate a conspiracy of silence
that suffocates public debate about the crisis in the family courts. It was
Parliaments express intention that the child¹s best interest was generally
best served by retaining the love and care of both their parents.

This intention is scandalously broken day in day out in the Family Courts.
Only recently in a landmark judgement Lord Justice Thorpe upheld a no
contact order between a daughter and her father in the Court of Appeal as
contact between the child and the father made the mother anxious and
depressed¹. This is a disgrace.

The courts have effectively replaced the child¹s best interest with the
mother¹s best interests. This is totally unacceptable and demonstrates a
flagrant disregard not only for our own law but both ECHR legislation and
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

For years other equal parenting groups have striven to bring these
injustices to the governments attention. This perversion of Parliament¹s
intention cannot be allowed to continue.

Addressing the key points in your letter you state that this is about the
administration of justice¹. It is not. It is about the administration of the
law and your interpretation of it. A law which Sir Bob Geldof stated in a
recent essay, Omust be destroyed¹. You also make a dangerous presumption
in that there is public confidence¹ in the courts. I can tell you
unequivocally that there is none, only a growing army of angry fathers and
disposed parents and grandparents stripped of their parental rights and
asset stripped by a system that purports to be acting impartially and in
the best interests of the child¹.

Not only do you misrepresent the facts in your letter you also fail to
inform me that as my actions are so serious¹) what steps would have to be
taken against me to maintain the (pretence of) public confidence.

For the record, let me make my position and that of our supporters clear.
Commencing 22nd October there will begin a rising and challenge to the
authority of the Family Courts, Cafcass and other related organisations the
like this country has never seen. Already Fathers 4 Justice have been
involved in sit ins¹ at Solicitors offices and Cafcass offices across the
country and occupied the Lord Chancellors Department (Xmas 2002), the Family
Division of the High Court in London (Fathers Day 2003), and Family Courts
in Plymouth and this week in Chelmsford. Last Thursday I was physically
denied access to the Royal Courts of Justice by the Met Police and ejected
from the Head Offices of Cafcass.

These acts of peaceful non violent direct action were but a prelude to a
wider national campaign that will likely see a massive escalation in this
civil rights struggle by hundreds and maybe even thousands of our supporters
in the coming months. Be under no illusion, we are prepared, prepared for
arrest and even prison. Our resolve is strong, our determination without
limit, our commitment indefatigable.

As a proud and loving father, I will not be intimidated by the threat of
steps¹, whatever they are, be they arrest, detainment, imprisonment or any
other punishment for pursuing a course of action which I believe is my moral
duty not only to this country but also to my two boys who will not inherit a
wretched system that actively encourages this hateful forced removal of
children from their fathers. You can do your worst. We will do our best, to
bring your government down on all levels

Yours sincerely

Matthew O¹Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

david deilley

You didn't write the subject line in a thread you started?

I guess your "imaginary friend" wrote it...

socilaist wankers are stupid

Your stupidity needs a friend, you play doh..... ..

bimballi testicula castrati

Sounds good to me. When do we start this in Canada?


"Socilaist wankers are stupid" <Socilaist wankers are


Subject: [f4jinternational] TWO DAYS ... and counting! Letter from F4J

16th October 2003
Asker Husain
The Legal Secretariat to the Law Officers
Attorney General¹s Chambers
9 Buckingham Gate
London SW1E 6JP
Ref: Dr Michael Pelling
Your Ref; CONT/20/03

Dear Mr Husain,

Thank you for your letter of 13th October.

We recently put the Government, The President of the Family Courts and
Cafcass on notice that if the Family Courts did not begin to enforce their
own contact orders between children and their fathers then we would begin
what we describe as a rising¹ against the entire Family Law Industry
commencing 22nd October. Regrettably, no such commitment to enforce contact
orders made in the Family Courts has been forthcoming at the time of
writing.

Fathers 4 Justice is a civil rights group that has been in existence for
some 10 months and is now the single largest equal parenting campaign group
with over 3,000 supporters. Highlighting miscarriages of justice and
bringing them to the attention of Parliament and the general public is a
fundamental cornerstone of our campaign.

The protections¹ you describe in your letter serve not to protect the best
interests of the child but to further perpetuate a conspiracy of silence
that suffocates public debate about the crisis in the family courts. It was
Parliaments express intention that the child¹s best interest was generally
best served by retaining the love and care of both their parents.

This intention is scandalously broken day in day out in the Family Courts.
Only recently in a landmark judgement Lord Justice Thorpe upheld a no
contact order between a daughter and her father in the Court of Appeal as
contact between the child and the father made the mother anxious and
depressed¹. This is a disgrace.

The courts have effectively replaced the child¹s best interest with the
mother¹s best interests. This is totally unacceptable and demonstrates a
flagrant disregard not only for our own law but both ECHR legislation and
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

For years other equal parenting groups have striven to bring these
injustices to the governments attention. This perversion of Parliament¹s
intention cannot be allowed to continue.

Addressing the key points in your letter you state that this is about the
administration of justice¹. It is not. It is about the administration of the
law and your interpretation of it. A law which Sir Bob Geldof stated in a
recent essay, Omust be destroyed¹. You also make a dangerous presumption
in that there is public confidence¹ in the courts. I can tell you
unequivocally that there is none, only a growing army of angry fathers and
disposed parents and grandparents stripped of their parental rights and
asset stripped by a system that purports to be acting impartially and in
the best interests of the child¹.

Not only do you misrepresent the facts in your letter you also fail to
inform me that as my actions are so serious¹) what steps would have to be
taken against me to maintain the (pretence of) public confidence.

For the record, let me make my position and that of our supporters clear.
Commencing 22nd October there will begin a rising and challenge to the
authority of the Family Courts, Cafcass and other related organisations the
like this country has never seen. Already Fathers 4 Justice have been
involved in sit ins¹ at Solicitors offices and Cafcass offices across the
country and occupied the Lord Chancellors Department (Xmas 2002), the Family
Division of the High Court in London (Fathers Day 2003), and Family Courts
in Plymouth and this week in Chelmsford. Last Thursday I was physically
denied access to the Royal Courts of Justice by the Met Police and ejected
from the Head Offices of Cafcass.

These acts of peaceful non violent direct action were but a prelude to a
wider national campaign that will likely see a massive escalation in this
civil rights struggle by hundreds and maybe even thousands of our supporters
in the coming months. Be under no illusion, we are prepared, prepared for
arrest and even prison. Our resolve is strong, our determination without
limit, our commitment indefatigable.

As a proud and loving father, I will not be intimidated by the threat of
steps¹, whatever they are, be they arrest, detainment, imprisonment or any
other punishment for pursuing a course of action which I believe is my moral
duty not only to this country but also to my two boys who will not inherit a
wretched system that actively encourages this hateful forced removal of
children from their fathers. You can do your worst. We will do our best, to
bring your government down on all levels

Yours sincerely

Matthew O¹Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

bimballi testicula castrati

Dear David;

Many times you have been offered a leadership position. Please, show us all
how you can do it better. If you cannot do better than Mr. Hansel, then you
should show him the respect he deserves for sticking his kneck out on behalf
of ungrateful incompetent shitheads like yourself..

Mark Hansel wrote

Two comments:

Hansel should note that the leaders of this movement in England are capable
of coherent writing. That is why they are having an impact and
semi-literate rage-aholic Hansel is little more than a buffoon masturbating
back at the monkeys at the zoo.

Hansel should also note that if today is the 17th and the F4J's action day
is the 22nd, then the government has FICE days until the deadline, not TWO
as indicated in Hansel's semi-literate subject line. Not only is Hansel
unable to string together a coherent sentence, he can't add either.

The biggest barrier faced by divorced Canadian fathers fighting the system:
the failure of their own poor-quality leadership.

"Socilaist wankers are stupid" <Socilaist wankers are
stupid.@.....where..the feminazi world of stupidity abuses kids> wrote in
message news:kFZjb.35650$S_.14826@clgrps13...
Subject: [f4jinternational] TWO DAYS ... and counting! Letter from F4J


16th October 2003
Asker Husain
The Legal Secretariat to the Law Officers
Attorney General¹s Chambers
9 Buckingham Gate
London SW1E 6JP
Ref: Dr Michael Pelling
Your Ref; CONT/20/03

Dear Mr Husain,

Thank you for your letter of 13th October.

We recently put the Government, The President of the Family Courts and
Cafcass on notice that if the Family Courts did not begin to enforce their
own contact orders between children and their fathers then we would begin
what we describe as a rising¹ against the entire Family Law Industry
commencing 22nd October. Regrettably, no such commitment to enforce contact
orders made in the Family Courts has been forthcoming at the time of
writing.

Fathers 4 Justice is a civil rights group that has been in existence for
some 10 months and is now the single largest equal parenting campaign group
with over 3,000 supporters. Highlighting miscarriages of justice and
bringing them to the attention of Parliament and the general public is a
fundamental cornerstone of our campaign.

The protections¹ you describe in your letter serve not to protect the best
interests of the child but to further perpetuate a conspiracy of silence
that suffocates public debate about the crisis in the family courts. It was
Parliaments express intention that the child¹s best interest was generally
best served by retaining the love and care of both their parents.

This intention is scandalously broken day in day out in the Family Courts.
Only recently in a landmark judgement Lord Justice Thorpe upheld a no
contact order between a daughter and her father in the Court of Appeal as
contact between the child and the father made the mother anxious and
depressed¹. This is a disgrace.

The courts have effectively replaced the child¹s best interest with the
mother¹s best interests. This is totally unacceptable and demonstrates a
flagrant disregard not only for our own law but both ECHR legislation and
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

For years other equal parenting groups have striven to bring these
injustices to the governments attention. This perversion of Parliament¹s
intention cannot be allowed to continue.

Addressing the key points in your letter you state that this is about the
administration of justice¹. It is not. It is about the administration of the
law and your interpretation of it. A law which Sir Bob Geldof stated in a
recent essay, Omust be destroyed¹. You also make a dangerous presumption
in that there is public confidence¹ in the courts. I can tell you
unequivocally that there is none, only a growing army of angry fathers and
disposed parents and grandparents stripped of their parental rights and
asset stripped by a system that purports to be acting impartially and in
the best interests of the child¹.

Not only do you misrepresent the facts in your letter you also fail to
inform me that as my actions are so serious¹) what steps would have to be
taken against me to maintain the (pretence of) public confidence.

For the record, let me make my position and that of our supporters clear.
Commencing 22nd October there will begin a rising and challenge to the
authority of the Family Courts, Cafcass and other related organisations the
like this country has never seen. Already Fathers 4 Justice have been
involved in sit ins¹ at Solicitors offices and Cafcass offices across the
country and occupied the Lord Chancellors Department (Xmas 2002), the Family
Division of the High Court in London (Fathers Day 2003), and Family Courts
in Plymouth and this week in Chelmsford. Last Thursday I was physically
denied access to the Royal Courts of Justice by the Met Police and ejected
from the Head Offices of Cafcass.

These acts of peaceful non violent direct action were but a prelude to a
wider national campaign that will likely see a massive escalation in this
civil rights struggle by hundreds and maybe even thousands of our supporters
in the coming months. Be under no illusion, we are prepared, prepared for
arrest and even prison. Our resolve is strong, our determination without
limit, our commitment indefatigable.

As a proud and loving father, I will not be intimidated by the threat of
steps¹, whatever they are, be they arrest, detainment, imprisonment or any
other punishment for pursuing a course of action which I believe is my moral
duty not only to this country but also to my two boys who will not inherit
a wretched system that actively encourages this hateful forced removal of
children from their fathers. You can do your worst. We will do our best, to
bring your government down on all levels

Yours sincerely

Matthew O¹Connor
Founder, Fathers 4 Justice

david deilley

all

you

behalf


The fact that I am not involved with this struggle does not somehow make
Hansel an asset. With friends like him, who needs enemies -- which is true
regardless of anything I do or don't do.

You want to see how it can be done better - look at the letter from England
that started this thread. It was obviously put together by people who know
how to write voherently, and who are not dripping with Hansel-like
personality disorders.

bimballi testicula castrati

The fact that he cares enough to try, makes him more of an asset than
do-nothing wankers like you.

Like I said, we eagerly await your leadership to help us deal with our
enemies and come to enlightenment.

Oh, we do. I am in regular e-mail communication with their leaders.


And yet, they have a great deal of respect for Mr. Hansel but have not yet
mentioned your name. Strange, isn't it? I mean, you being such an expert on
what we should and shouldn't do.... but nobody has ever heard of you.
Say.... you aren't one of thoe "all talk and no action" guys, are you?

socilaist wankers are stupid

Tommy Douglas and his euthanasia stupidity
sent you to a better place in the shy....Wet brain farting is all you can do
David because your to stupid to do anything else..