***** bahai faith *****

"Kelly, who joined the 5000-strong British followers of the Bahai faith
in 1999, made his comments at the home of Geeta and Roger Kingdon, two
fellow worshippers, in Abingdon, Oxfordshire, on 5 October last year.
Also present were around 30 other invited Bahai guests.
[but NOT a bahai meeting....]

"Kelly gave a 40-minute talk, which was accompanied with a slide show,
about his work as a weapons inspector in Iraq. He ended with a question-
and-answer session on the intelligence dossier, which had been made
public 10 days earlier as part of what opponents claim was a government
attempt to swing public opinion behind war on Iraq."
[but didn't really reveal anything.... and didn't really say anything about
the dossier.... It was actually all charades!]

"Roger Kingdon told The Observer last night that Kelly expressed his
unhappiness with how the do***ent was being interpreted, saying the
intelligence information supplied was accurate, but indicating that he
was uncomfortable about how it was being represented."
[but didn't criticize the dossier or the govenment. THAT would be
political....]

Critically, however, Kingdon said it was unclear whether Kelly was
saying that he was unhappy at the way the do***ent had been presented by
the government, or at the way it had been interpreted by the media, or
both. [Oh, in a Baha'i context, it makes such a big difference.... BOTH
"old world order" govenments and decadent Western media are SOOO
respected in Baha'i circles....]

'I asked him what he thought of [the dossier]. It was clear that he was
happy with the factual content but less happy... and felt frustrated...
by the way it had been interpreted... But he did not say who by.'
[but Barnabus Leith was in the Water Closet so he didn't hear....]

Kingdon said Kelly was 'ambiguous' about exactly who he blamed for the
misrepresentation of the dossier. '[He] expressed frustration at how it
was interpreted but did not say by whom,' he said."
[Yes, ambiguity can cover up a lot of things....]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1006711,00.html
or
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly100502.htm


Barnabus Leith, UK NSA Secretary:
"...Earlier the court heard testimony from Barnabus Leith, the secretary of
the national spiritual assembly of the Baha'i faith, who denied media
reports that Dr Kelly had addressed a Baha'i meeting on the September
dossier.

"Mr Leith said that the scientist was always "particularly discreet" and
that although Dr Kelly did address a meeting in Oxfordshire about his work
as a weapons inspector, it was not a Baha'i faith meeting and he neither
mentioned the dossier nor was asked about it....
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1034240,00.html


While reluctant to make predictions, I believe it's about time
for Roger Kingdon to suddenly appear quoted in a UK paper
as having realized he mis-remembered what happened last fall
and didn't mean to imply....

After all, Barney Leith was there, and one must defer.... or else....

EVIDENCE grows... Dr. David Kelly & the Baha'i Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly.htm

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/


NOTE WELL: See FULL TEXT for Roger Kingdon's account below. My comments
interwoven here with Barnabus Leith's testimony before the Hutton Inquiry,
EXTRACTS: http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly100502.htm

24 A. You use the word "progress", it is not really
25 a progression.
89
1 Q. Sorry.
2 A. Because there is no career structure, as it were.

One can be re-elected EVERY YEAR, for decades, which is
the way it actually works in the Baha'i Faith, much complained
about by "liberal Baha'is," but there's no career structure....
Please, someone inform his Lordship that he's been duped.

8 Q. I think you wanted to comment on an article in
9 a newspaper which claimed that Dr Kelly had spoken about
10 his work. Did Dr Kelly speak about his work, as far as
11 you knew?

I.e., Lord Hutton had been told ahead of time that Leith
wanted to refute Roger Kingdon's claim, note, not the newspaper's,
that Kelly HAD discussed the dossier....

12 A. He did not, or at least he did not ever in my hearing
13 and I understand from the Baha'is in Abingdon that he
14 did not at Baha'i meetings talk about his work.

THEY said otherwise earlier in public.... According to
them, Kelly had spoken about the dossier IN THEIR
HEARING and had been questioned about it. Leith
knows that and hence his equivocation. Was Leith in the WC?


He was
15 extremely discreet. The particular press comment
16 claimed that he had spoken at a Baha'i meeting
17 critically about the September dossier.

WRONG. Roger Kingdon claimed.... The press reported
his claim. Time to interview the interviewer or author of
article.... Time to interview ALL 30 of those at that meeting....


This was not in
18 fact the case. I was at that meeting.

Barnabus Leith is the author of the gag order issued on
July 20 from the UK NSA.... As a fundamentalist, on the
career ladder/structure, he's completely untrustworthy.


It was not
19 a meeting organised by the Baha'i local assembly, it was
20 privately organised and he was invited to speak to an
21 audience of Baha'is and non-Baha'is about his work as
22 a weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until 1998; and he
23 did so with the aid of slides. He did not mention the
24 dossier. Nobody asked him about the dossier.

And 30 people just happened to be Baha'i? Kelly didn't
think he was addressing a Baha'i gathering? How many
non-Bahais were there? Who called around to organize
the meeting? It wasn't the Local Spiritual Assembly as
usual? Or members thereof? Hence, other Baha'is would
have certainly believed they were attending a Baha'i
meeting. Roger Kingdon clearly thought, implied, and said
as much....

FULL TEXT from Hutton Inquiry site:
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/transcripts/hearing-trans27.htm

mike cj

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simply not true, there is no God.
After death the human body switches off and that is it - finish.
Mike.

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***** bahai faith *****

"Kelly, who joined the 5000-strong British followers of the Bahai faith
in 1999, made his comments at the home of Geeta and Roger Kingdon, two
fellow worshippers, in Abingdon, Oxfordshire, on 5 October last year.
Also present were around 30 other invited Bahai guests.
[but NOT a bahai meeting....]

"Kelly gave a 40-minute talk, which was accompanied with a slide show,
about his work as a weapons inspector in Iraq. He ended with a question-
and-answer session on the intelligence dossier, which had been made
public 10 days earlier as part of what opponents claim was a government
attempt to swing public opinion behind war on Iraq."
[but didn't really reveal anything.... and didn't really say anything about
the dossier.... It was actually all charades!]

"Roger Kingdon told The Observer last night that Kelly expressed his
unhappiness with how the do***ent was being interpreted, saying the
intelligence information supplied was accurate, but indicating that he
was uncomfortable about how it was being represented."
[but didn't criticize the dossier or the govenment. THAT would be
political....]

Critically, however, Kingdon said it was unclear whether Kelly was
saying that he was unhappy at the way the do***ent had been presented by
the government, or at the way it had been interpreted by the media, or
both. [Oh, in a Baha'i context, it makes such a big difference.... BOTH
"old world order" govenments and decadent Western media are SOOO
respected in Baha'i circles....]

'I asked him what he thought of [the dossier]. It was clear that he was
happy with the factual content but less happy... and felt frustrated...
by the way it had been interpreted... But he did not say who by.'
[but Barnabus Leith was in the Water Closet so he didn't hear....]

Kingdon said Kelly was 'ambiguous' about exactly who he blamed for the
misrepresentation of the dossier. '[He] expressed frustration at how it
was interpreted but did not say by whom,' he said."
[Yes, ambiguity can cover up a lot of things....]

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1006711,00.html
or
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly100502.htm


Barnabus Leith, UK NSA Secretary:
"...Earlier the court heard testimony from Barnabus Leith, the secretary of
the national spiritual assembly of the Baha'i faith, who denied media
reports that Dr Kelly had addressed a Baha'i meeting on the September
dossier.

"Mr Leith said that the scientist was always "particularly discreet" and
that although Dr Kelly did address a meeting in Oxfordshire about his work
as a weapons inspector, it was not a Baha'i faith meeting and he neither
mentioned the dossier nor was asked about it....
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1034240,00.html


While reluctant to make predictions, I believe it's about time
for Roger Kingdon to suddenly appear quoted in a UK paper
as having realized he mis-remembered what happened last fall
and didn't mean to imply....

After all, Barney Leith was there, and one must defer.... or else....

EVIDENCE grows... Dr. David Kelly & the Baha'i Faith
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly.htm

Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/


NOTE WELL: See FULL TEXT for Roger Kingdon's account below. My comments
interwoven here with Barnabus Leith's testimony before the Hutton Inquiry,
EXTRACTS: http://www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Kelly100502.htm

24 A. You use the word "progress", it is not really
25 a progression.
89
1 Q. Sorry.
2 A. Because there is no career structure, as it were.

One can be re-elected EVERY YEAR, for decades, which is
the way it actually works in the Baha'i Faith, much complained
about by "liberal Baha'is," but there's no career structure....
Please, someone inform his Lordship that he's been duped.

8 Q. I think you wanted to comment on an article in
9 a newspaper which claimed that Dr Kelly had spoken about
10 his work. Did Dr Kelly speak about his work, as far as
11 you knew?

I.e., Lord Hutton had been told ahead of time that Leith
wanted to refute Roger Kingdon's claim, note, not the newspaper's,
that Kelly HAD discussed the dossier....

12 A. He did not, or at least he did not ever in my hearing
13 and I understand from the Baha'is in Abingdon that he
14 did not at Baha'i meetings talk about his work.

THEY said otherwise earlier in public.... According to
them, Kelly had spoken about the dossier IN THEIR
HEARING and had been questioned about it. Leith
knows that and hence his equivocation. Was Leith in the WC?


He was
15 extremely discreet. The particular press comment
16 claimed that he had spoken at a Baha'i meeting
17 critically about the September dossier.

WRONG. Roger Kingdon claimed.... The press reported
his claim. Time to interview the interviewer or author of
article.... Time to interview ALL 30 of those at that meeting....


This was not in
18 fact the case. I was at that meeting.

Barnabus Leith is the author of the gag order issued on
July 20 from the UK NSA.... As a fundamentalist, on the
career ladder/structure, he's completely untrustworthy.


It was not
19 a meeting organised by the Baha'i local assembly, it was
20 privately organised and he was invited to speak to an
21 audience of Baha'is and non-Baha'is about his work as
22 a weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until 1998; and he
23 did so with the aid of slides. He did not mention the
24 dossier. Nobody asked him about the dossier.

And 30 people just happened to be Baha'i? Kelly didn't
think he was addressing a Baha'i gathering? How many
non-Bahais were there? Who called around to organize
the meeting? It wasn't the Local Spiritual Assembly as
usual? Or members thereof? Hence, other Baha'is would
have certainly believed they were attending a Baha'i
meeting. Roger Kingdon clearly thought, implied, and said
as much....

FULL TEXT from Hutton Inquiry site:
http://www.the-hutton-inquiry.org.uk/content/transcripts/hearing-trans27.htm

mike cj

Any religion is based on the premise that a God exists, which I'm afraid is
simply not true, there is no God.
After death the human body switches off and that is it - finish.
Mike.

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steven x brown

Yep. We're just worm-food. The ONLY way we can live on is in people's
memories of us.

--
Steven X Brown
http://liberty-dragon.co.uk/
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/
http://www.libertarian.co.uk/