dave

That Bush, Cheney, DeLay and their criminal kind, are destroying?

Why don't you care America? Many of the people being hurt are in your own
families and neighborhoods.

don swayser

Do you ever do anything but make statements without an iota of logic or
fact? Maybe I should make a few.

Liberals want people buthered in their beds just like in the Soviet
Union and other leftist societies.

Liberals want to start a nuclear war.

Liberals are responsible for all the atrocities in the world.

Liberals are the garbage pigs won't eat.

See what I mean?


--
If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an
equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)

don swayser

You're doing is spitting hyperbole with no intelligible objective. Now,
I can either respond to you as you just did or try to present a
reasonable argument. This board is suppose to be for news or discusion,
not venting silly shiboleths.

--
If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an
equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)

dave

There are millions unemployed, millions more underemployed, millions that
have given up on finding a job and the Bush tax "plan" won't do them any
good for several years. During the Clinton years we realized more jobs
created than during any other administration and we paid down the federal
debt by the end of Clinton's term. Trickle on Economics are long-term, if
they stimulate the economy. Business tax breaks that Reagan gave were
harmful in many cases, e.g., GE took their credit and invested it in
Malaysia, while Whirlpool paid taxes, stayed here and didn't take the same
break. Pfizer the "American" Pharmaceutical Co. (as they advertise) saves a
couple billion in taxes through a Bermuda shelter.

Taking us to war in Iraq on very shakey intelligence cost us lives, Iraqi
lives - many of whom innocent, and billions.

Deficits that we will be paying down for years and nothing but pocket money
for the wealthiest (most of the dollars go to the wealthiest) which will
probably be invested abroad because rates are higher there than here.

There's some to start with.

dave

There are millions unemployed, millions more underemployed, millions that
have given up on finding a job and the Bush tax "plan" won't do them any
good for several years. During the Clinton years we realized more jobs
created than during any other administration and we paid down the federal
debt by the end of Clinton's term. Trickle on Economics are long-term, if
they stimulate the economy. Business tax breaks that Reagan gave were
harmful in many cases, e.g., GE took their credit and invested it in
Malaysia, while Whirlpool paid taxes, stayed here and didn't take the same
break. Pfizer the "American" Pharmaceutical Co. (as they advertise) saves a
couple billion in taxes through a Bermuda shelter.

Taking us to war in Iraq on very shakey intelligence cost us lives, Iraqi
lives - many of whom innocent, and billions.

Deficits that we will be paying down for years and nothing but pocket money
for the wealthiest (most of the dollars go to the wealthiest) which will
probably be invested abroad because rates are higher there than here.

There's some to start with.

steven d. litvintchouk

As I've said before, much (though not all) of the seeming prosperity in
the 1990's was artificial, built on rampant speculation in the stock
market. It was prosperity in the same sense that the "Roaring 20's" was
prosperous--a speculative bubble whose eventual blowout will take years
and years to correct.

Clinton, OTOH, kept touting the soaring stock market as an ACHIEVEMENT
of his Administration. It was as much of an "achievement" as the rising
stock market had been under Coolidge and Hoover.

Of course he considered it an "achievement". The endlessly rising stock
market generated the tax revenues (from capital gains taxes and
corporate profits) that Clinton used to balance the Federal budget.

I fault Clinton for not warning the American people that this kind of
thing couldn't go on forever.


--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

dave

Coolidge was completely laissez faire and anti labor. Hoover inherited a bad
underpinning and lack of regulations to prevent the excessive speculation
and bank loss of capital. FDR implemented many programs that Hoover had
tried to start. Hoover got a bum rap that is just now being revisited by
some. FDR bulldozed Hoover nearly into oblivion.

There certainly were unrealistic bubbles (more than dot.coms) in the 90s and
Clinton certainly could have done better. He did preside over federal debt
reduction and job creation that was unprecedented in US history. Many of
those jobs still exist, they were real and we've lost approximately 10-20%
of them since. Most of those losses were under Bush's "watch". The deficits
have been exaserbated by Bush with a tax restructure rather than an economic
stimulus. The driving force in our economy remain several regional Real
Estate bubbles and mortgage refinance. The bulk of this makes the recovery
jobless and toothless because the activity is primarily paper transfer,
extending debts at lower rates. This is continuing the bubble, but without
the job creation. Job creation is essential to any real recovery. The
markets know this and remain soft as they know the "stimulus package" is
hype without substance.

Every Administration sets a tone, just as a restaurant will not have
clientele without chairs, or lighting. Clinton set a productive tone, and in
some ways catered to business too much. Now, we are going back to failed
policies with a weird combination of the bravado of WW I (TR, Wilson) and WW
II (FDR) with laissez-faire (Coolidge) economics with roll backs in safety,
environment, labor rights, civil rights, respect for democracy.

There has never been such a poorly planned, demagogical attack on our, not
theirs, but our government. A nation of this population, diversity and size
can not remain cohesive and productive with such reckless disregard.

dave

That Bush, Cheney, DeLay and their criminal kind, are destroying?

Why don't you care America? Many of the people being hurt are in your own
families and neighborhoods.

don swayser

Do you ever do anything but make statements without an iota of logic or
fact? Maybe I should make a few.

Liberals want people buthered in their beds just like in the Soviet
Union and other leftist societies.

Liberals want to start a nuclear war.

Liberals are responsible for all the atrocities in the world.

Liberals are the garbage pigs won't eat.

See what I mean?


--
If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an
equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)

don swayser

You're doing is spitting hyperbole with no intelligible objective. Now,
I can either respond to you as you just did or try to present a
reasonable argument. This board is suppose to be for news or discusion,
not venting silly shiboleths.

--
If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an
equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
Carl Schurz (1829-1906)