dana

Homo***uals claim that "hetero***uals" molest most children but statistics
show that homo***uals molest at far higher rates than do hetero***uals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child ****. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a
bed & breakfast for homo***uals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called
for "man-boy" love.

David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child ****ography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.

Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for ***ually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.

James Edward Sanders, a homo***ual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for ***ually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child ****ography in Sanders' home.

Christopher Reardon, a homo***ual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating ****ography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homo***ual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homo***uals who have ***ually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homo***ual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.
The report, "Secret Shame Of Our Schools: ***ual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant," by Douglas Montero, is the result of an ****ysis of 117 cases of
***ual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of ***ual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat ***
offenders.
The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the *** offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the ***ual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, "Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homo***uals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
***ual relationship with the student." The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated *** abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is ***ually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homo***uals!
Homo***uals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Hetero***uals
Homo***uals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as "homo***ual" or "bi***ual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of *** Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homo***ual *** within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homo***ual *** within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is hetero***ual in orientation.
Homo***ual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
"hetero***ual" males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is hetero***ual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by hetero***uals.
However, statistics indicate that homo***uals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do hetero***uals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of *** abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homo***ual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homo***ual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homo***uals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homo***ual and hetero***ual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homo***ual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
hetero***ual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homo***uals "***ually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls."
This high rate of molestations by homo***uals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homo***uals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been ***ually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same ***. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homo***uals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were *** offenders found
that 35 of them were homo***uals (22%). (Wasserman, J., "Adolescent ***
Offenders-Vermont, 1984" Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for ***ually Dangerous Persons, a third were hetero***ual, a third were
bi***ual, and a third were homo***ual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, "Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters," Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the *** offenders were homo***ual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homo***uals. (Freund, K. "Pedophilia and
Hetero***uality vs. Homo***uality," Journal of *** & Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)
From these studies and many more, it is evident that homo***uals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their hetero***ual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all ***ual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homo***ual/Pedophile Link
Homo***uals seldom openly admit that they want to ***ually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homo***ual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in "'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against *** with children continues to erode,"
Eberstadt notes:
The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the *** rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.
Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the "***/*******" sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homo***uality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homo***ual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as "prophets" of ***ual


*** is good, including children's ***uality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-***ual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake."
Parents are correct to be concerned about homo***uals ***ually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homo***uals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homo***uals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and ***ual desires
of ***ual predators. We must oppose homo***ual activism "for the children's
sake."

--
"[Liberty] considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as
the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom."
--Alexis de Toqueville

yossarian

I guess the Tidy Bowl man has had his job outsourced. Yossarian

john j. petry

Open bibliography in its own window
Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as
representing a danger to the majority society's most vulnerable members.
Historically, Black men in the United States were often falsely accused of
raping White women, and commonly lynched as a result. Jews in the Middle
Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. In a
similar fashion, *** people are often portrayed as a threat to children.

When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to repeal a Dade
County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-*** discrimination, she named her
organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly
deviant-minded [***] teacher could ***ually molest children" (Bryant, 1977,
p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page]

The number of Americans who believe the accusation that *** men and
women are child molesters appears to be decreasing. For example, Gallup poll
data in 1999 indicated that 54% of Americans would allow *** people to be
elementary school teachers, compared to 27% in 1977.

Whenever we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is
complicated by several problems. One problem involves sampling. Most studies
in this area have been conducted only with convicted perpetrators, so they
exclude child molesters who were not prosecuted or convicted. As a result,
any profile that we try to construct of child molesters may not accurately
describe molesters who have not been caught.

A second problem concerns terminology. ***ual abuse of male children
by adult men1 is often referred to as "homo***ual molestation," which
implies that the perpetrator is himself *** or has a homo***ual orientation.
Usually, however, the adjectives "homo***ual" and "hetero***ual" really
refer to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator, not to
the perpetrator's ***ual orientation. It is more accurate to refer to such
abuse as male-male molestation.

The distinction between gender of victim and ***ual orientation of
perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never developed
the capacity for mature ***ual relationships with other adults, either men
or women. Recognizing this fact, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposed that
discussions of the ***ual attractions of perpetrators should be
conceptualized along a continuum ranging in degrees from exclusive interest
in children to exclusive interest in adult partners.

Some perpetrators are labeled fixated by some researchers. Fixation
means "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation
resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the
organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978,
p. 176). Put in simple terms, fixated offenders are "stuck" at an early
stage of psychological development. They are ***ually attracted to children,
not to men or women.

By contrast, other molesters are described as regressed. Regression is
"a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature
forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature
behavior was actually manifested earlier in the individual's development"
(Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 177). Regressed offenders have developed an
adult ***ual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme
stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and
engage in ***ual contact with children.

Fixated offenders never developed an adult ***ual orientation of any
sort, whereas regressed molesters have done so. Thus, regressed molesters
can be adult homo***uals, hetero***uals, or bi***uals. But it is meaningless
to speak of fixated molesters in these terms - they are attracted to
children, not to men or women.

Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of
the 175 adult males in their sample - all of whom were convicted in
Massachusetts of ***ual assault against a child - had an exclusively
homo***ual adult ***ual orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as
"fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult hetero***uals;
the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bi***uals. Of the
last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships
they engaged in *** on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in
no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for
women....There were no men who were primarily ***ually attracted to other
adult males..." (p.180).

Another researcher took a different perspective. Dr. Carole Jenny
reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the ***ually abused
children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver
children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30,
1992). The molester was a *** or ******* adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in
which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1% of the cases
(Jenny et al., 1994).

In yet another approach to studying adult ***ual attraction to
children, some Canadian researchers observed how homo***ual and hetero***ual
adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child,
pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first
screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature ***ual partners. In
some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he
or she was ****. The slides were accompanied by audiotaped recordings. The
recordings paired with the **** models described an imaginary ***ual
interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with
the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral
activities (e.g., swimming). To measure ***ual arousal, changes in the
subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and
listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homo***ual males
responded no more to male children than hetero***ual males responded to
female children (Freund et al., 1989).

Science cannot prove a negative. Thus, these studies do not prove that
homo***ual or bi***ual males are no more likely than hetero***ual males to
molest children. However, each of them failed to prove the alternative
hypothesis that homo***ual males are more likely than hetero***ual men to
molest children or to be ***ually attracted to children or adolescents.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, the mainstream view
among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child ***ual
abuse is that homo***ual and bi***ual men do not pose any special threat to
children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted
authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homo***ual adults in general ***ually attracted to children and
are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homo***ual
adults than from hetero***ual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The
research to date all points to there being no significant relationship
between a homo***ual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be
practically no reportage of ***ual molestation of girls by ******* adults,
and the adult male who ***ually molests young boys is not likely to be
homo***ual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

In a more recent literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998)
similarly cautioned against confusing homo***uality with pedophilia. He
noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal
boys is typically not ***ually interested in older men or in women" (p.
259).


Do Any Studies Claim To Show That Homo***uals Are More Likely To
Molest Children?

One individual has claimed to have data that prove homo***uals to be
child molesters at a higher rate than hetero***uals. That person is Paul
Cameron. As detailed elsewhere on this site, Cameron's survey data are
subject to so many methodological flaws as to be virtually meaningless. Even
so, his assertions are often quoted by the American Family Association and
other anti*** organizations in their attempts to link homo***uality with
child ***ual abuse.

In a 1985 article published in Psychological Reports, Paul Cameron
purported to review published data to answer the question, "Do those who
commit homo***ual acts disproportionately incorporate children into their
***ual practices?" (p. 1227). He concluded that "at least one-third of the
***ual attacks upon youth are homo***ual" (p. 1228) and that "those who are
bi- to homo***ual are proportionately much more apt to molest youth" than
are hetero***uals (p. 1231).

Cameron's findings are based on his assumption that all male-male
molestations were committed by homo***uals. Moreover, a careful reading of
Cameron's paper reveals several false statements about the literature he
claimed to have reviewed.

For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned
previously as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of "hetero***ual" (i.e., female victim)
to "homo***ual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted that "54% of
all the molestations in this study were performed by bi***ual or homo***ual
practitioners" (p. 1231). However, Groth and Birnbaum reported that none of
the men in their sample had an exclusively homo***ual adult ***ual
orientation, and that none of the 22 bi***ual men were more attracted to
adult males than to adult females. Cameron's 54% statistic does not appear
anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain
its derivation.

It also is noteworthy that, although Cameron assumed that all
male-male molestations were committed by homo***uals, he assumed that not
all male-female molestations were committed by hetero***uals. He
incorporated a "bi***ual correction" into his data manipulations to increase
further his estimate of the risk posed to children by homo***ual/bi***ual
men.

In the latter half of his paper, Cameron considered whether
"homo***ual teachers have more frequent ***ual interaction with their
pupils" (p. 1231). Based on 30 instances of ***ual contact between a teacher
and pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920 and 1982,
Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more likely to
be ***ually assaulted by a homo***ual practitioner" (p. 1232); the ratio
rose to 100 times when Cameron added his bi***ual correction.

This ratio is meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the
actual ***ual orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron
assumed that male-male contacts were perpetrated by homo***uals.
Furthermore, Cameron's rationale for selecting particular sources appears to
have been completely arbitrary. He described no systematic method for
reviewing the literature, and apparently never reviewed the voluminous
literature on the ***ual development of children and adolescents. His final
choice of sources appears to have slanted his findings toward what Cameron
described as "the relative absence in the scientific literature of
hetero***ual teacher-pupil ***ual events coupled with persistent, albeit
infrequent, homo***ual teacher-pupil ***ual interactions" (p. 1232).

A subsequent paper by Cameron and others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn,
Forde, Larson, & Cameron, 1986) described data collected in a door-to-door
survey in seven U.S. cities and towns, and generally repeated the
conclusions reached in Cameron (1985). As before, male-male ***ual assaults
were referred to as "homo***ual" molestations (e.g., Abstract, p.327) and
the perpetrators' ***ual orientation apparently was not assessed.

This study also suffers from severe methodological problems: The
sampling methods were not adequately described; the representativeness of
the sample is highly doubtful; the locations for data collection (Omaha
[NE], Los Angeles [CA], Denver [CO], Washington [DC], Louisville [state not
specified], Bennett [NE], and Rochester [NY]) appear to have been selected
solely on the basis of convenience (see Brown & Cole, 1985, for a detailed
critique). In addition, because the response rate appears to have been
unacceptably low, the sample does not permit generalizations from the data
to any larger population

In summary, the findings reported in the papers by Cameron et al.
cannot be considered valid. The work is too methodologically flawed.


Conclusion

The empirical research does not show that *** or bi***ual men are any
more likely than hetero***ual men to molest children. This is not to argue
that homo***ual and bi***ual men never molest children. But there is no
scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than hetero***ual
men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be
characterized as having an adult ***ual orientation at all; they are fixated
on children.


Note


1.
***ual abuse by women occurs but has not been well do***ented. It has
most often been do***ented in cases of a female accomplice assisting a male
perpetrator in procuring victims, or an adult woman seducing a young male
(Erickson, Walbek, & Seely, 1988; Finkelhor, 1984; Johnson & Shrier, 1987).
Perhaps it is not surprising, therefore, that the child molester stereotype
is applied more often to *** men than to *******s. (return to text)

facts_mental_health.html
facts_mental_health.html
Facts About Homo***uality and Mental Health


facts_changing.html
facts_changing.html
Facts About Changing ***ual Orientation


Facts About Homo***uality and Child Molestation


facts_bibliography.html
facts_bibliography.html
Bibliography for Facts About ***ual Orientation

daniel larson

*


Sure when you lump all hetero***uals that molest boys into the
category of being homo***uals, all the hetero***uals all of a
sudden magically turn into homo***uals. It still comes out that
97 percent of all child abuse is done by hetero***uals.

And how many alter girls are there? Were there any girls around to
molest, or only boys and a crime of opportunity? *


Hardly unless he was a ****ager in NY.

"Originally NAMBLA was founded by older ****aged
boys who were seeking some relief from the being the objects of extortion
by the NYPD.* Maybe it comes as shock to you that NYPD was dirty in
the late '60s and early '70s, but they were, and shaking down older
****aged boys for ***, drugs, and money, was part of the program at
many NYPD precincts.* As an oraganization composed primarily of youths,
NAMBLA was accepted by many *** rights groups and *** rights leaders.
In the fullness of time, NAMBLA came to have nothing to do with its
founders and their objectives.* When NABLA became a pedophile organization,
of course no one in a responsible position in the *** rights movement
had anything to do with them."
*

Children of God

Flirty fishing [is] and an emphasis on ***ual freedom..* Even an
ex-member who appeared on Italian public TV to expose the evil
of the Children of God declared that she was acquainted with flirty
fishing and ***ual "revolutionary" (which involed children as well).
*A campaign centered on flirty fishing (labeled as "prostitution")
and free love. .. the literature on these subjects (including the very
controversial letters suggesting that ***ual initiation for children at
an early age was permissible)

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/TheFamily/italy.htm

http://www.babyart.nu/2.htm * *


*

qerty678

You mean like in the Boy Scouts?
Daniel Larson <Lars-son@vikingt.com> wrote:


That is completely untrue. NAMBLA was started in a suburb of Boston by
*** men who were paying adolescent and ******** boys to be their
prostitutes. *** men have always had a "problem" with wanting to have
*** with adolescent boys. So much so that in Ancient Greece
pederasty/pedophilia was an "institution".

dana

Homo***uals claim that "hetero***uals" molest most children but statistics
show that homo***uals molest at far higher rates than do hetero***uals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child ****. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a
bed & breakfast for homo***uals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called
for "man-boy" love.

David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child ****ography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.

Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for ***ually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.

James Edward Sanders, a homo***ual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for ***ually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child ****ography in Sanders' home.

Christopher Reardon, a homo***ual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating ****ography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homo***ual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homo***uals who have ***ually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homo***ual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.
The report, "Secret Shame Of Our Schools: ***ual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant," by Douglas Montero, is the result of an ****ysis of 117 cases of
***ual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of ***ual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat ***
offenders.
The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the *** offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the ***ual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, "Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homo***uals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
***ual relationship with the student." The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated *** abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is ***ually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homo***uals!
Homo***uals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Hetero***uals
Homo***uals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as "homo***ual" or "bi***ual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of *** Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homo***ual *** within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homo***ual *** within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is hetero***ual in orientation.
Homo***ual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
"hetero***ual" males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is hetero***ual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by hetero***uals.
However, statistics indicate that homo***uals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do hetero***uals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of *** abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homo***ual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homo***ual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homo***uals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homo***ual and hetero***ual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homo***ual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
hetero***ual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homo***uals "***ually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls."
This high rate of molestations by homo***uals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homo***uals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been ***ually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same ***. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homo***uals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were *** offenders found
that 35 of them were homo***uals (22%). (Wasserman, J., "Adolescent ***
Offenders-Vermont, 1984" Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for ***ually Dangerous Persons, a third were hetero***ual, a third were
bi***ual, and a third were homo***ual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, "Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters," Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the *** offenders were homo***ual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homo***uals. (Freund, K. "Pedophilia and
Hetero***uality vs. Homo***uality," Journal of *** & Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)
From these studies and many more, it is evident that homo***uals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their hetero***ual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all ***ual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homo***ual/Pedophile Link
Homo***uals seldom openly admit that they want to ***ually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homo***ual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in "'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against *** with children continues to erode,"
Eberstadt notes:
The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the *** rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.
Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the "***/*******" sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homo***uality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homo***ual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as "prophets" of ***ual


*** is good, including children's ***uality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-***ual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake."
Parents are correct to be concerned about homo***uals ***ually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homo***uals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homo***uals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and ***ual desires
of ***ual predators. We must oppose homo***ual activism "for the children's
sake."

--
"[Liberty] considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as
the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom."
--Alexis de Toqueville

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Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as
representing a danger to the majority society's most vulnerable members.
Historically, Black men in the United States were often falsely accused of
raping White women, and commonly lynched as a result. Jews in the Middle
Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. In a
similar fashion, *** people are often portrayed as a threat to children.

When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to repeal a Dade
County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-*** discrimination, she named her
organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly
deviant-minded [***] teacher could ***ually molest children" (Bryant, 1977,
p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page]

The number of Americans who believe the accusation that *** men and
women are child molesters appears to be decreasing. For example, Gallup poll
data in 1999 indicated that 54% of Americans would allow *** people to be
elementary school teachers, compared to 27% in 1977.

Whenever we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is
complicated by several problems. One problem involves sampling. Most studies
in this area have been conducted only with convicted perpetrators, so they
exclude child molesters who were not prosecuted or convicted. As a result,
any profile that we try to construct of child molesters may not accurately
describe molesters who have not been caught.

A second problem concerns terminology. ***ual abuse of male children
by adult men1 is often referred to as "homo***ual molestation," which
implies that the perpetrator is himself *** or has a homo***ual orientation.
Usually, however, the adjectives "homo***ual" and "hetero***ual" really
refer to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator, not to
the perpetrator's ***ual orientation. It is more accurate to refer to such
abuse as male-male molestation.

The distinction between gender of victim and ***ual orientation of
perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never developed
the capacity for mature ***ual relationships with other adults, either men
or women. Recognizing this fact, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposed that
discussions of the ***ual attractions of perpetrators should be
conceptualized along a continuum ranging in degrees from exclusive interest
in children to exclusive interest in adult partners.

Some perpetrators are labeled fixated by some researchers. Fixation
means "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation
resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the
organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978,
p. 176). Put in simple terms, fixated offenders are "stuck" at an early
stage of psychological development. They are ***ually attracted to children,
not to men or women.

By contrast, other molesters are described as regressed. Regression is
"a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature
forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature
behavior was actually manifested earlier in the individual's development"
(Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 177). Regressed offenders have developed an
adult ***ual orientation but under certain conditions (such as extreme
stress) they return to an earlier, less mature psychological state and
engage in ***ual contact with children.

Fixated offenders never developed an adult ***ual orientation of any
sort, whereas regressed molesters have done so. Thus, regressed molesters
can be adult homo***uals, hetero***uals, or bi***uals. But it is meaningless
to speak of fixated molesters in these terms - they are attracted to
children, not to men or women.

Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of
the 175 adult males in their sample - all of whom were convicted in
Massachusetts of ***ual assault against a child - had an exclusively
homo***ual adult ***ual orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as
"fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult hetero***uals;
the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bi***uals. Of the
last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships
they engaged in *** on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in
no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for
women....There were no men who were primarily ***ually attracted to other
adult males..." (p.180).

Another researcher took a different perspective. Dr. Carole Jenny
reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the ***ually abused
children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver
children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30,
1992). The molester was a *** or ******* adult in only 2 of the 269 cases in
which an adult molester could be identified, less than 1% of the cases
(Jenny et al., 1994).

In yet another approach to studying adult ***ual attraction to
children, some Canadian researchers observed how homo***ual and hetero***ual
adult men responded to slides of males and females of various ages (child,
pubescent, and mature adult). All of the research subjects were first
screened to ensure that they preferred physically mature ***ual partners. In
some of the slides shown to subjects, the model was clothed; in others, he
or she was ****. The slides were accompanied by audiotaped recordings. The
recordings paired with the **** models described an imaginary ***ual
interaction between the model and the subject. The recordings paired with
the pictures of clothed models described the model engaging in neutral
activities (e.g., swimming). To measure ***ual arousal, changes in the
subjects' penis volume were monitored while they watched the slides and
listened to the audiotapes. The researchers found that homo***ual males
responded no more to male children than hetero***ual males responded to
female children (Freund et al., 1989).

Science cannot prove a negative. Thus, these studies do not prove that
homo***ual or bi***ual males are no more likely than hetero***ual males to
molest children. However, each of them failed to prove the alternative
hypothesis that homo***ual males are more likely than hetero***ual men to
molest children or to be ***ually attracted to children or adolescents.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, the mainstream view
among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child ***ual
abuse is that homo***ual and bi***ual men do not pose any special threat to
children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted
authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homo***ual adults in general ***ually attracted to children and
are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homo***ual
adults than from hetero***ual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The
research to date all points to there being no significant relationship
between a homo***ual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be
practically no reportage of ***ual molestation of girls by ******* adults,
and the adult male who ***ually molests young boys is not likely to be
homo***ual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

In a more recent literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998)
similarly cautioned against confusing homo***uality with pedophilia. He
noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal
boys is typically not ***ually interested in older men or in women" (p.
259).


Do Any Studies Claim To Show That Homo***uals Are More Likely To
Molest Children?

One individual has claimed to have data that prove homo***uals to be
child molesters at a higher rate than hetero***uals. That person is Paul
Cameron. As detailed elsewhere on this site, Cameron's survey data are
subject to so many methodological flaws as to be virtually meaningless. Even
so, his assertions are often quoted by the American Family Association and
other anti*** organizations in their attempts to link homo***uality with
child ***ual abuse.

In a 1985 article published in Psychological Reports, Paul Cameron
purported to review published data to answer the question, "Do those who
commit homo***ual acts disproportionately incorporate children into their
***ual practices?" (p. 1227). He concluded that "at least one-third of the
***ual attacks upon youth are homo***ual" (p. 1228) and that "those who are
bi- to homo***ual are proportionately much more apt to molest youth" than
are hetero***uals (p. 1231).

Cameron's findings are based on his assumption that all male-male
molestations were committed by homo***uals. Moreover, a careful reading of
Cameron's paper reveals several false statements about the literature he
claimed to have reviewed.

For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned
previously as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of "hetero***ual" (i.e., female victim)
to "homo***ual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted that "54% of
all the molestations in this study were performed by bi***ual or homo***ual
practitioners" (p. 1231). However, Groth and Birnbaum reported that none of
the men in their sample had an exclusively homo***ual adult ***ual
orientation, and that none of the 22 bi***ual men were more attracted to
adult males than to adult females. Cameron's 54% statistic does not appear
anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain
its derivation.

It also is noteworthy that, although Cameron assumed that all
male-male molestations were committed by homo***uals, he assumed that not
all male-female molestations were committed by hetero***uals. He
incorporated a "bi***ual correction" into his data manipulations to increase
further his estimate of the risk posed to children by homo***ual/bi***ual
men.

In the latter half of his paper, Cameron considered whether
"homo***ual teachers have more frequent ***ual interaction with their
pupils" (p. 1231). Based on 30 instances of ***ual contact between a teacher
and pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920 and 1982,
Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more likely to
be ***ually assaulted by a homo***ual practitioner" (p. 1232); the ratio
rose to 100 times when Cameron added his bi***ual correction.

This ratio is meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the
actual ***ual orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron
assumed that male-male contacts were perpetrated by homo***uals.
Furthermore, Cameron's rationale for selecting particular sources appears to
have been completely arbitrary. He described no systematic method for
reviewing the literature, and apparently never reviewed the voluminous
literature on the ***ual development of children and adolescents. His final
choice of sources appears to have slanted his findings toward what Cameron
described as "the relative absence in the scientific literature of
hetero***ual teacher-pupil ***ual events coupled with persistent, albeit
infrequent, homo***ual teacher-pupil ***ual interactions" (p. 1232).

A subsequent paper by Cameron and others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn,
Forde, Larson, & Cameron, 1986) described data collected in a door-to-door
survey in seven U.S. cities and towns, and generally repeated the
conclusions reached in Cameron (1985). As before, male-male ***ual assaults
were referred to as "homo***ual" molestations (e.g., Abstract, p.327) and
the perpetrators' ***ual orientation apparently was not assessed.

This study also suffers from severe methodological problems: The
sampling methods were not adequately described; the representativeness of
the sample is highly doubtful; the locations for data collection (Omaha
[NE], Los Angeles [CA], Denver [CO], Washington [DC], Louisville [state not
specified], Bennett [NE], and Rochester [NY]) appear to have been selected
solely on the basis of convenience (see Brown & Cole, 1985, for a detailed
critique). In addition, because the response rate appears to have been
unacceptably low, the sample does not permit generalizations from the data
to any larger population

In summary, the findings reported in the papers by Cameron et al.
cannot be considered valid. The work is too methodologically flawed.


Conclusion

The empirical research does not show that *** or bi***ual men are any
more likely than hetero***ual men to molest children. This is not to argue
that homo***ual and bi***ual men never molest children. But there is no
scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than hetero***ual
men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be
characterized as having an adult ***ual orientation at all; they are fixated
on children.


Note


1.
***ual abuse by women occurs but has not been well do***ented. It has
most often been do***ented in cases of a female accomplice assisting a male
perpetrator in procuring victims, or an adult woman seducing a young male
(Erickson, Walbek, & Seely, 1988; Finkelhor, 1984; Johnson & Shrier, 1987).
Perhaps it is not surprising, therefore, that the child molester stereotype
is applied more often to *** men than to *******s. (return to text)

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Homo***uals claim that "hetero***uals" molest most children but statistics
show that homo***uals molest at far higher rates than do hetero***uals.
Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in
San Diego on three counts of child ****. Shanley had a history of molesting
boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North
American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a
bed & breakfast for homo***uals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called
for "man-boy" love.

David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for
possession of child ****ography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.

Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was
sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for ***ually molesting
boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a
coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had
been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was
living in England.

James Edward Sanders, a homo***ual child molester, was arrested in New
Mexico in December, 2001 for ***ually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also
discovered child ****ography in Sanders' home.

Christopher Reardon, a homo***ual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout
leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for
raping, molesting, and disseminating ****ography to 29 boys under his care.
These are only a few of the homo***ual child molestation cases to hit the
news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases
involving homo***uals who have ***ually assaulted children under their care.
New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations
In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post
published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of
homo***ual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City's public
schools.
The report, "Secret Shame Of Our Schools: ***ual Abuse Of Students Runs
Rampant," by Douglas Montero, is the result of an ****ysis of 117 cases of
***ual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those
accused of ***ual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school
district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat ***
offenders.
The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In
45% of the cases, the *** offender attacked more than one student. In nearly
16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the ***ual
molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the
victims were girls. According to the report, "Nearly 20 percent of the
offenders are homo***uals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a
***ual relationship with the student." The report also discovered that the
Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated *** abuse cases
between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327,
it appears that at least one child is ***ually abused each day by a school
employee-and 20% of these molestations against children are done by
homo***uals!
Homo***uals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Hetero***uals
Homo***uals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current
surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men
and 1.4% of women identified themselves as "homo***ual" or "bi***ual. A 1995
survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of *** Research
indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homo***ual *** within the prior
12 months; 4% had had homo***ual *** within the past five years. In other
words, at least 98-99% of our population is hetero***ual in orientation.
Homo***ual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are
"hetero***ual" males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high
rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is hetero***ual, it is
technically correct to say that most molestations are done by hetero***uals.
However, statistics indicate that homo***uals pose a far more serious threat
to children than do hetero***uals.
For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a
ten-state study of *** abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199
cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female
teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homo***ual male
teachers had molested boys and four female homo***ual teachers had molested
girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved
homo***uals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the
population.
Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes
the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation
rates of self-confessed homo***ual and hetero***ual child molesters. In a
sample of 153 homo***ual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981
molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted
hetero***ual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8
victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homo***uals "***ually molest
young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than
the molestation of girls."
This high rate of molestations by homo***uals is consistent with other
studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few
studies that show homo***uals molesting children at epidemic rates:
The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the
U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been ***ually
molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by
adults of the same ***. This means that 40% of child molestations were by
homo***uals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)
In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were *** offenders found
that 35 of them were homo***uals (22%). (Wasserman, J., "Adolescent ***
Offenders-Vermont, 1984" Journal American Medical Association, 1986;
255:181-2)
In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center
for ***ually Dangerous Persons, a third were hetero***ual, a third were
bi***ual, and a third were homo***ual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, "Differential
Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters," Eastern
Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)
Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto
reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of
the *** offenders were homo***ual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36%
of the molesters were homo***uals. (Freund, K. "Pedophilia and
Hetero***uality vs. Homo***uality," Journal of *** & Marital Therapy, 1984;
10:193-200)
From these studies and many more, it is evident that homo***uals molest
children at a far greater rate than do their hetero***ual counterparts.
While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for
upwards of a third or more of all ***ual molestations of children.
Exposing The Homo***ual/Pedophile Link
Homo***uals seldom openly admit that they want to ***ually assault children,
but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January
1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the
clear link between homo***ual activism and the growing North-American Man-
Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in "'Pedophilia Chic'
Reconsidered: The taboo against *** with children continues to erode,"
Eberstadt notes:
The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is
that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of
the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain
parts of the *** rights movement. The more that movement has entered the
mainstream, the more this 'question' has bubbled forth from that previously
distant realm in the public square.
Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical,
Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward
Brongersma is currently available in the "***/*******" sections of
bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was
first published in the Journal of Homo***uality in 1990. The Journal is
edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University.
DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.
The homo***ual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its
July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as "prophets" of ***ual


*** is good, including children's ***uality. . . . Surrounded by pious
moralists with deadening anti-***ual rules, we must be shameless
rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We
must do it for the children's sake."
Parents are correct to be concerned about homo***uals ***ually assaulting
their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit
homo***uals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the
statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that
homo***uals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social
policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and ***ual desires
of ***ual predators. We must oppose homo***ual activism "for the children's
sake."

--
"[Liberty] considers religion as the safeguard of morality, and morality as
the best security of law and the surest pledge of the duration of freedom."
--Alexis de Toqueville

yossarian

I guess the Tidy Bowl man has had his job outsourced. Yossarian