harry hope

From The Boston Globe, 7/19/03:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/199/oped/GOP_s_double_standard_on_presidential_lies+.shtml

GOP's double standard on presidential lies

By Derrick Z. Jackson, 7/19/2003


AMERICAN SOLDIERS continue to die in Iraq, and the Republicans do not
want us to know why.

In a 51-45 vote, the Republican-led Senate this week rejected a
proposal for an independent, bipartisan commission to investigate the
claims Bush used to justify his invasion of Iraq.

The senator who made the proposal, Democrat Jon Corzine of New Jersey,
said, ''Each day, we have failed to have an accounting ... of what
really happened.''

In the latest Pentagon count, 224 US soldiers have died in combat or
accidents in the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Soldiers are dying at a rate of one a day 77 days after President Bush
declared an end to major combat operations.

The number of soldiers who died in noncombat accidents after the
invasion has surpassed the number prior to it.

As the dying goes on, Bush has yet to prove the existence of Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction.

He now admits to using bad intelligence in his State of the Union
address that Saddam Hussein was trying to purchase uranium in Africa
for nuclear weapons.

Yet Ted Stevens of Alaska, the Republican chair of the Senate
Appropriations Committee, said:

''I'm tired of making a mountain out of a molehill. This is not
Watergate. It's not even truthgate.... This is an attempt to smear the
president of the United States.''

His complaint was but another in a round of Republican efforts to
resist a full inquiry and keep the stench rising from Bush's empty
claims behind the closed doors of congressional intelligence and armed
services committees.

Pat Roberts of Kansas, the Republican chair of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, said in June, ''I found, at least in the information that I
have as chairman, no evidence of manipulation.''

He blasted a formal investigation as being ''a pejorative that there's
something dreadfully wrong.''

Five years ago the Republicans found President Clinton's lying about
*** to be so dreadfully wrong that they voted to impeach him in the
House.

Clinton survived, but not before the Republicans hurled all kinds of
pejoratives at Clinton's perjuries.

Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida said:

''Lying under oath is an ancient crime of great weight because it
shields other offenses, because it blocks the light of truth in human
affairs. It is a dagger in the heart of our legal system and indeed in
our democracy. It cannot, it should not, it must not be tolerated....
All that stands between any of us and tyranny is law.''

Representative Sam Johnson of Texas said Clinton's actions ''have made
a mockery of the people who fought for this country and are fighting
for this nation today.''

Henry Hyde, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said:

''If the president calculatedly and repeatedly violates his oath, if
the president breaks the covenant of trust he has made with the
American people, he can no longer be trusted. And because the
executive plays so large a role in representing the country to the
world, America can no longer be trusted.''

Now it is a Republican president who increasingly appears to have lied
to the American people to justify a war.

There is hardly a peep out of Republicans over whether Bush has broken
the covenant of trust he made with Americans and made a mockery out of
the men and women who are dying in Iraq.

Troops and even some officers in the field are openly grumbling that
they no longer know why they are there.

Meanwhile Bush's claims continue to crumble.

A Washington Post story this week reported that United Nations weapons
inspectors found nothing to back up Bush's claims last October that
Saddam Hussein had a revamped nuclear arms program.

Yet on March 16, just three days before the war, Vice President ****
Cheney declared about Saddam, ''We believe he has, in fact,
reconstituted nuclear weapons.''

__________________________________________________

Extreme hypocrisy seems to be a disease confined to the right-wing
psyche.

Harry

daniel

the difference is this, Clinton committed perjury, and Bush hasn't lied
about anything. i don't see a double standard.

cognitus44

Even the Republicans admit the LIED about uranium/Africa. They are
now saying it doesn't matter that he lied.

angelo

If he didn't commit perjury then why was he fined in court for it?
Typical liebral, you can't see shit.

Jim

angelo

Hey if it didn't matter lying about 100,000 of killed civilians and
"retargeted" ICBM's so we could "sleep well"
What the **** difference does it make now?

Here's the difference.
When Billy boy lied to send the troops in to Bosnia
the right didn't give a **** since Milosevic was a
dirtbag despot that had to go.
When George uses tainted intel to send the troops
into Iraq the liebrals go crying to mommy even
though EVERYONE ****ing agrees that Saddam
was a dirtbag despot that HAD to go.

That's the ****ing difference!
So many whining liebrals, so little time
and bullets.

Jim

dickens

His statement was 100% truthful and Tony Blair stands by it. Bush
didn't say the CIA belived, or that he believed, he said the Brits
believed, and according to Blair they still do. What is the freakin
lie?

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Re: GOP's double standard on presidential lies


Or elswhere for a year, as in Usenet.


Explain, please.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p032.htm

PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before
a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in
which a law of the U.S. authorizes an oath to be
administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or
certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration,
deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true,
willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes
any material matter which he does not believe to be true;
or in any declaration, certificate, verification, or
statement under penalty of perjury, willfully subscribes as
true any material matter which he does not believe to be
true; 18 USC

In order for a person to be found guilty of perjury the
government must prove: the person testified under oath
before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular
statement was false; and the person knew at the time the
testimony was false.

The testimony of one witness is not enough to support a
finding that the testimony was false. There must be
additional evidence, either the testimony of another
person or other evidence, which tends to support the
testimony of falsity. The other evidence, standing alone,
need not convince that the testimony was false, but all the
evidence on the subject must do so.


Yes it is. In fact, that word is not strong enough.
What do you call it when one sells milk and delivers poison?
What do you call it when one shouts It's Day! when it's night?
What you call it when somebody calls a snake,
a rabit?...and believes it!?

pieter wenk

On 25 Jul 2003 10:44:56 -0700, harvestdancer@hotmail.com (harvest

Despite human lives driving these vehicles is now costing.

Regards
--
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the people.
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harry hope

From The Boston Globe, 7/19/03:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/199/oped/GOP_s_double_standard_on_presidential_lies+.shtml

GOP's double standard on presidential lies

By Derrick Z. Jackson, 7/19/2003


AMERICAN SOLDIERS continue to die in Iraq, and the Republicans do not
want us to know why.

In a 51-45 vote, the Republican-led Senate this week rejected a
proposal for an independent, bipartisan commission to investigate the
claims Bush used to justify his invasion of Iraq.

The senator who made the proposal, Democrat Jon Corzine of New Jersey,
said, ''Each day, we have failed to have an accounting ... of what
really happened.''

In the latest Pentagon count, 224 US soldiers have died in combat or
accidents in the invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Soldiers are dying at a rate of one a day 77 days after President Bush
declared an end to major combat operations.

The number of soldiers who died in noncombat accidents after the
invasion has surpassed the number prior to it.

As the dying goes on, Bush has yet to prove the existence of Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction.

He now admits to using bad intelligence in his State of the Union
address that Saddam Hussein was trying to purchase uranium in Africa
for nuclear weapons.

Yet Ted Stevens of Alaska, the Republican chair of the Senate
Appropriations Committee, said:

''I'm tired of making a mountain out of a molehill. This is not
Watergate. It's not even truthgate.... This is an attempt to smear the
president of the United States.''

His complaint was but another in a round of Republican efforts to
resist a full inquiry and keep the stench rising from Bush's empty
claims behind the closed doors of congressional intelligence and armed
services committees.

Pat Roberts of Kansas, the Republican chair of the Senate Intelligence
Committee, said in June, ''I found, at least in the information that I
have as chairman, no evidence of manipulation.''

He blasted a formal investigation as being ''a pejorative that there's
something dreadfully wrong.''

Five years ago the Republicans found President Clinton's lying about
*** to be so dreadfully wrong that they voted to impeach him in the
House.

Clinton survived, but not before the Republicans hurled all kinds of
pejoratives at Clinton's perjuries.

Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida said:

''Lying under oath is an ancient crime of great weight because it
shields other offenses, because it blocks the light of truth in human
affairs. It is a dagger in the heart of our legal system and indeed in
our democracy. It cannot, it should not, it must not be tolerated....
All that stands between any of us and tyranny is law.''

Representative Sam Johnson of Texas said Clinton's actions ''have made
a mockery of the people who fought for this country and are fighting
for this nation today.''

Henry Hyde, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said:

''If the president calculatedly and repeatedly violates his oath, if
the president breaks the covenant of trust he has made with the
American people, he can no longer be trusted. And because the
executive plays so large a role in representing the country to the
world, America can no longer be trusted.''

Now it is a Republican president who increasingly appears to have lied
to the American people to justify a war.

There is hardly a peep out of Republicans over whether Bush has broken
the covenant of trust he made with Americans and made a mockery out of
the men and women who are dying in Iraq.

Troops and even some officers in the field are openly grumbling that
they no longer know why they are there.

Meanwhile Bush's claims continue to crumble.

A Washington Post story this week reported that United Nations weapons
inspectors found nothing to back up Bush's claims last October that
Saddam Hussein had a revamped nuclear arms program.

Yet on March 16, just three days before the war, Vice President ****
Cheney declared about Saddam, ''We believe he has, in fact,
reconstituted nuclear weapons.''

__________________________________________________

Extreme hypocrisy seems to be a disease confined to the right-wing
psyche.

Harry

frice

As usual Republinazis thwart the will of the people for their
own financial gain.

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