ken [ny)

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 15:24:08 GMT, "Grinder" <thomgr@earthlink.net>
ranted:


Quoting the BBC, the leftist British TV station? No wonder you
got your facts wrong. Here ya go. A few links first from The Observer,
NY Times and PBS:

http://www.observer.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,591439,00.html
http://query.nytimes.com/search/article-page.html?res=9B01EED81E39F93BA35752C1A9679C8B63
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html

And from Aviation Week & Space Technology:

Iraq's Tie to Al-Qaeda Terrorists, Airline Hijackings
From: Aviation Week & Space Technology
Headline: Satellite Photos Believed To Show Airliner for Training
Hijackers
Byline: Michael A. Dornheim
Dateline: Los Angeles, January 7, 2002

Satellite images of a facility near Baghdad show an airliner that
Iraqi defectors say is used to train terrorists in the art of
hijacking.Space Imaging, which operates the Ikonos civilian
surveillance satellite, was prompted to look for the aircraft in
existing photos after a ''Frontline'' television show interviewed two
Iraqi defectors who described the hijacker training and the aircraft
used for the mock attacks.

One of them drew a map of the Salman Pak training area, and Space
Imaging was able to find the facility and the aircraft in photographs
taken on Apr. 25, 2000, of an area about 15 mi. southeast of Baghdad
on the Tigris River. The zoomed-in photograph is a close match to the
hand-drawn map, lending credence to the defector's story. He is Sabah
Khodada, and said he worked at the secret Salman Pak complex for about
six months as an administrator. The facility is run by the Iraqi
secret service, and is used to teach assassination, kidnapping,
hijacking of airplanes, buses and trains and other terrorist
operations, Khodada said. ''This camp is specialized in exporting
terrorism to the whole world.''

Foreigners were trained separately from Iraqis, both Khodada and the
other defector said.The aircraft is sitting by itself far from an
airport. ''In this camp, I saw [people] getting trained [in]
situations where security will not allow you to get weapons into the
plane - then what you need to do is to use...very advanced terrorizing
methods,'' Khodada said on the television show.''They are even trained
how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the
plane....

They are trained how to plant horror within the passengers by doing
such actions. Even pens and pencils can be used for that purpose. They
can do it, and they can overcome any plane because they are very well
physically trained, and they are very strong. They can overtake a
plane in a very efficient manner. ''Training will include the way they
would sit in the plane, how they enter the plane.... They will, for
example, sit in twos, and they will assign who will sit to the right
of the other guy, and who will sit to the other side. Two will sit in
the front, two will sit in the back and two will sit, for example, in
the middle. They are trained to jump all at one time, and make a
declaration that 'We are going to take over the plane. And nobody
[move], don't move, don't make any moves.'''

They will probably use a pencil or a pen, or even sunglasses or
prescription glasses. Somebody will hold the crew members of the plane
from their chins upward tightly, and you will pull it on his neck. He
will think you are going to slaughter him and kill him. Including in
this training is terrorizing by making very, very loud noises and
screaming all over the plane. That will [create] the planned horror,
and will terrorize the plane, including the crew.'

"The aircraft was also used to practice fighting a hijacking, Khodada
said. He called it a Boeing 707, but the position of the wing on the
fuselage better fits an aft-engined aircraft.The camp was visited by
United Nations inspectors on a holiday in January 1995. The inspectors
''went all the way inside the camp,'' Khodada said. ''They saw the
plane, they saw the train, and they didn't care anything about it,
because [the commanders] told the United Nations, 'This is a camp to
train police, antiriot police.'''

Khodada said he was sure the Sept. 11 attacks involved Iraqi training
because Osama bin Laden was not capable of such a high-level
operation. ''These kind of attacks must be, and have to be, organized
by a capable state, such as Iraq,'' he said. ''Even the grouping;
those groups were divided into 5-6 people in the group. How about the
training on planes? Some of these groups were taken and trained to
drive airplanes at the School of Aviation, north of Baghdad....
Everything coincides with what's happening.''


Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department
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"[Saddam Hussein]cannot be permitted to go
unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific
objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons
of mass destruction..."
-Senator John Kerry, D-Mass 1997

Q: What the hardest thing about rollerblading?
A: Telling your parents you’re ***.

grinder

escape from it." - Goebbels


between Iraq and the al-Qaeda terror network. "

I quote an extensive study that is more than a full year after your article
and you counter with photos. Even the captured high ranking Al-Quade
members in U.S. custody have admitted 15 months after your article that Bin
Laden did not want to form any allegiance with Iraq because Saddam was an
infidel.

If you have proof otherwise you should submit it to the U.N. Terrorism
Committee.

Richard Grenell, a spokesman for the US mission at the UN, said: "We
know that Iraq provided some training to al-Qaeda in chemical weapons
development and we also know there were clear contacts between them
that can be do***ented."

In his presentation to the security council in February, Mr Powell
said the former Iraqi regime was allowing a senior al-Qaeda member to
operate from Baghdad.

gaza

Was this the same presentation in which Powell tried to show the U.N. that he had the proof of Saddam's WMD. The same proof which was an obvious lie because the sites he had in his satellite pictures had already recently been inspected and cleared by Blix and his team.
Your are a moron who believes all the crap pouring out of the White House and yet after a further investigation by an independent team from the U.N. you seem incapable of understanding that the Bush administration LIED.

You have been sleeping.
It is now time for you to wake up.

kel

escape from it." - Goebbels


between Iraq and the al-Qaeda terror network. "

And have you seen any of this do***entation?

Powell was lying. They also said that they knew where the WMD were.

theangelmoon

My, my, my. Gaza thinks men, women, and children should be tortured
by an evil man while the rest of the world does nothing. And liberals
try to say they are the compassionate ones. HA! This proves beyond
any shadow of a doubt that leftists are NOT compassionate--and they
are against the poor and down-trodden, too.

That's correct. Your point?


Now, you need proof! Too, you have to be a bit more patient. Do you
believe Saddam just has his WMD lying about?

Excellent! Now, all you need to do is *prove it*

(sounds of crickets...............)

jeffrey turner

Bush was the one lying about Saddam Hussein's WMD.

--Jeff

gaza

Men and women are being tortured all over the world.
This was had nothing do with freeing the Iraqi people. To use such an excuse, despite the fact that Bush used a completely different excuse in congress to start this war, obligates America to invade half the countries in the world for the same reason.
Freeing the Iraqi people was not the reason Bush used in congress.
The reason Bush gave was WMD and American security, both of which have not been shown to be lies. Isn't lying to congress to start a war a enough reason to impeach a president now, or do you have to wait until he gets a blow job from an intern.

gaza

Are you totally deluded or what ?????
There never was any proof. It was all bogus.
That is why assholes like you are trying to convince the world that the reason fro the invasion was to free the Iraqi people when it was not.
Bush lied to congress when he told them that Saddam was an immenent threat to the U.S.
Lying to congress to start a war is probably the worst crime there is for a president.

I doubt he has any since 1998.
For someone who has absolute proof of the existance of these WMD, Bush is definetely having a hard time finding them.


It is for Bush to prove.
He started the war based on his bogus lies.
It is impossible to prove the existance of something that does not exist.
You may as well ask me to prove that dragons and fairies exist.