robert henderson

The Kelly Inquiry day 11 - 28 8 2003

The appearance of Blair, Gavyn Davies (BBC Chairman) and

Blair

Mr Velve**** arrived with his usual small army of bodyguards in a
bullet-proof car (very wise) and passed a group of demonstrators with a
tasteful array of Mr Velve**** masks with Pinocchio noses and BLIAR
placards.

His evidence is best summed up as "I take full responsibility for
everything but none of it was my fault. "

1. Blair gave evidence for 2 and a half hours. His answers showed he
had been intimately involved in the strategy to deal with the Kelly
affair after Kelly admitted he had spoken to Andrew Gilligan - Blair
convened at least 3 meetings in four days of senior defence and
intelligence staff to deal with the matter.

2. Bizarrely, Blair claimed that the MoD had been left in charge of
dealing with Kelly while admitting that he had been intimately involved.

3. Blair claimed that Kelly's name would have come out regardless. This
is nonsense. Had Kelly kept quiet, Gilligan would have done and nothing
could have been established. Had the MoD and No 10 kept quiet after
Kelly came forward (I have my doubts whether he did this - I suspect he
was already under surveillance and suspicion by Special Branch),
Gilligan would have kept quiet and no one outside Government would have
known Kelly was involved.

4. Blair said the Sept 2002 dossier was produced after he had spoken
with Bush about Iraq and they had decided "something must be done".

5. Blair had the same memory lapses as Campbell, Hoon et al. He had no
recollection of seeing any draft dossier before 10 Sept. He had no
recollection of John Scarlett (JIC chairman) wanting Kelly to be
subjected to a "security interview". He had no knowledge of any scheme
to leak Kelly's name to the media. In fact he could remember precious
little of anything which happened.

6. Blair denied categorically that he or anyone else in NO10 had
inserted the "45 minutes" notice of biological and chemical attack into
the Sept 2002 dossier.

7. Blair said that if the charge of tampering with intelligence, in
particular the 45-minute charge, to justify action against Iraq had
been true he would have had to resign because it was "an attack that
went to the heart of the office of prime minister, but also ...to the
credibility of the country." (Note to Mr Velve****: you must resign
immediately because this has been objectively established).

8. Blair claimed the dossier did not make the case for war but merely
laid out the then position regarding Iraq's WMDs.

9. On four occasions Blair he said he took "full responsibility" without
saying what it was exactly he took full responsibility for, but claimed
that all the decisions he was responsible for were the right
decisions: "I take full resposnibility for the decisions...I stand by
them; I believe they were the right decisions." (I suggest readers have
a quick lie down after reading that).

10. Blair admitted he was the first person to tell someone Government
that a source had come forward when he spoke to Gavyn Davies. Blair said
that he felt that the only way to resolve the dispute with the BBC was
for the BBC to issue "a clear and unequivocal# statement that the
original story was wrong.


Davies


1. Davies apologised for the conduct of Andrew Gilligan in suggesting
questions to a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. The matter is to
be referred to the BBC board of governors.

2. Davies said it was wrong for a journalist to reveal a source of
another journalist's work as Gilligan appeared to have done by revealing
Kelly's link with Susan Watts, the BBC Newsnight presenter,
in his email to a Lib Dem research assistant who passed the
information to Lib Dem MP, David Chidgey. Davies offered a partial
excuse for Gilligan's behaviour by saying that Gilligan was under great
pressure and thought the FAC was trying to discredit him as a
journalist.

3. Davies blamed Alastair Campbell for keeping the story running and
expanding it with his belligerent appearance before the FAC.

4. Describing his phone call with Blair on 7 July, Davies said that
Blair wanted to come to an agreement with the BBC t9o lower the
temperature. This did not happen because the BBC stood by Gilligan.

5. Davies said it was reasonable for the BBC to report a source who was
trusted on the baiss that it was simply their opinion and not that of
the BBC.

6. Davies accepted that Gilligan had made a mistake in his first
broadcast of 29 May when he claimed that the Government had inserted the
45-minute claim into the dossier. Asked by Lord Hutton why the BBC ha
dnot offered a qualified withdrawal, Davies replied that it was up to
people to make their assessment of what was said.


8. Davies did make a reasonably convincing display of regret at Kelly's
death, unlike anyone on the NuLabcur side to date. RH
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basho007

from a story in the Independent:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=438133

Just over five weeks ago, on learning of Dr Kelly's apparent suicide during
an official flight from Shanghai to Hong Kong, the Prime Minister had
"categorically" and "emphatically" denied he had played a part in revealing
the scientist's name.

Mr Blair, his ministers and spokesmen had subsequently declared that the
Ministry of Defence had been left to handle Dr Kelly after he volunteered
the fact that he had discussed last September's Iraq dossier with Mr
Gilligan.

Four days after Dr Kelly was discovered dead in an Oxfordshire wood, the
Prime Minister's official spokesman was still insisting that the MoD was
the "lead department" in working out the strategy over Dr Kelly and that
this had been done under "normal MoD procedure".

But the Prime Minister, under questioning, conceded that no one was even
present from the MoD at a crucial meeting on 8 July, chaired by him, in
which the decision was taken to issue a statement about a civil servant
coming forward as Mr Gilligan's contact. He also acknowledged there was no
such thing as "normal MoD procedure" in this unusual situation.

end of extract.

mike cj

If you read betweenm the lines, every government minister says that it was
someone else's fault.
NuLabour are all lying & squirming.
Of course, you can really trust Bliar (NOT)!
Mike.

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alex.woodward

It is no good accepting responsibility if he chooses not to do anything
about it. At the end of the day Blair has no alternative but to resign (he
should have done that as a matter of honour when he committed our troops and
a section of them to their deaths). But of course he refuses to accept
responsibility for their deaths doesn't he?

He is a coward and a war mongering and extreme right wing infiltrator of a
once decent and honest political party.

Blair must go.

Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun

abelard

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:38:40 +0100, "Mike CJ" <me@privacy.net>

typed:

be aware that 'they'* are pulling a ploy....
'they'* have settled on getting as many people involved as possible
in an attempt to diffuse 'blame' as widely as possible....
it cannot thus be pinned down to one or a very few individuals.....
call in poirot...only real life ain't like that....

*just who the 'they' might be i am entirely unprepared to guess!

regards...

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abelard

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:36:34 +0100, "alex.woodward" <flybo@mydothump.com>

typed:


yeah....yet another socialist who is not *really* a socialist....
you socialists are soooo predictable....


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robert henderson

In article <3fmvkvshv43esrpgg27puadego1c8os1sf@4ax.com>, abelard
<abelard@abelard.org> writes


Would you care to also draw our attention to the fact the sky is blue
and the sun rises in the East? RH
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alex.woodward

??? a socialist who is not really a socialist??? Look, I believe in a level
playing field where the best are allowed to achieve and where passed on
extreme privilege is frowned on as a form of parasitic behaviour. I think
that sums up my point of view.

Alex
Lies, damned lies and The Sun

abelard

On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:29:53 +0100, "alex.woodward" <flybo@mydothump.com>

typed:

'best' at what? 'best' in what sense?

precisely how 'extreme'?

seems reasonable on the face of it....
what is pa has £10,000...or even wins it in the lottery....
'should' he be able to spend it on a better education for you?
what is someone else's pa spends the money on fags?
should your family be able to get you a pair of trainers?

what is your pa is a lot brighter than jo sixpak's farther down the road..
is he allowed to educate you to a much higher and more effective
degree?

regards...

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blue

I said it myself a while back. I expect abe is adjusting for the audience you gave him.