bob

if u plan on ordering Ensemble from Sun, be aware there is a known bug in
the installer. it seems if u run install from the cd it crashes. u have to
copy the cd to the hd and run install from there. another fine quality
product in the world of geos. can u imagine the crap on this ng if windows
setup had the same bug?

bob

It would have been nice if you posted about the well known bug, as you and
BBX know about it. May have saved someone a hassle as the fix is quite
simple even for a GEOS user.

Why do u ASSume I'm "lurking" on Yahoo's egroup? I subscribed just like u
did. Oh I know, it's the old; "is a gun an offense or defensive weapon"
thing. Depends on which end of the barrel one is looking down, eh? Or like
Bin Laden being a "Freedom Fighter" when we needed him VS those "commies",
and now being a terrorist.

Anyways, why not just fix your distributor's CD install? Oh wait I know, NO
MONEY!

bob

Well Ray I just thought it would be helpful to anyone that actually bought,
(LOL!), Sun's Ensemble and couldn't install it from the CD, and couldn't.
You know the market for GEOS isn't very PC literate so they may even have a
problem doing a simple copy from the CD to the HD, but at least I pointed
out the well known bug, and the resolution. More then you did. More then
John did, even though he knew it existed.

raymond ancog

Personally, I can live with messages that are direct to the point and
don't include snide or sarcastic side-comments that don't really
contribute anything to this newsgroup except instigate flame wars. It
kinda turns off newbies.

--
Ravin' Ray
your friendly neighborhood paleontologist
http://www.geocities.com/originalravinray
"I'm a geologist who uses Geos and has a Geocities website!"

taylor

That's Bob's aim, as near as I can tell -- to instigate flame wars
and turn off the newbies, as well as the long-timers and anyone else
he can reach. Bob hates GEOS and has apparently made it his life's
work to trash it whenever and wherever he can. Kinda sad, really.
--
Doug Taylor | Nothing real can be threatened.
The Ohio State University | Nothing unreal exists.
doug-taylor+@osu.edu | - A Course in Miracles

pat

I disagree. Newbies are turned OFF by by not getting their questions
answered or problems solved. They are equally turned OFF by the hijinks of
representatives of software companies they may, of may not, deal with.

What turns a newbie ON is to see diverse discussion in newsgroups, where
those who have gripes are not lined up and shot in the head because they
refuse to march to Nazi goose step.

pat

HINT: There are only a couple newbies coming into the GEOS fold, compared to
existing GEOS users who have left forever. If I were a GeoNut, I would start
a campaign to keep GEOS users from leaving, as difficult a task as that may
seem. You'll never get out of the hole you're in through newbies. Especially
with newer PCs and upgrading older ones.

Micro Center - 256MB of memory for $19.95.
Micro Center - 160GB 7200RPM (Special Edition - 8MB) drive for $99.

http://www.microcenter.com/specials/index.html

I bought one of those drives and filled 90% of it with video files for doing
editing. Bless Windows XP for staying up and running solid for days while I
repeatedly edited, authored and burned DVD projects, while simultaneously
surfing the Internet high speed and downloading files. Even a newbie can use
entry level software to do close to what I am doing. But a newbie would be
stopped in their tracks if a DOS error suddenly stared the them in the face.

Bottom Line: GEOS is the cat's meow on an old GeoBook or a PC with very
limited resources. Seasoned GEOS users have already acquired serious
hardware and have graduated beyond their modest systems after realizing that
Windows XP is so good. Newbies are in two camps. Some have legitimate GEOS
needs, while others are really barking up the wrong tree, so to speak.

bob

u don't haveta worry there ray. notice any newbies on COGM? LOL!!!!

bob

And you got your clinical training and degree from where?

gwrepray

<< I repeatedly edited, authored and burned DVD projects, while simultaneously
surfing the Internet high speed and downloading files. >>

ROFLMAO! Now *there* is something that the vast majority of PC users really
care a lot about!

And you have the unmitigated gall to say that doing *that* is inherently better
than what other folks do via Geos? Amazing... (Just sadly shaking my head
here...)

Same very tired argument you state. Hey! If that is your thing -- that is cool
for *you*. (Go play with your toys...) But it's patently irrelevant for many
folks who have neither the need or desire to spend one extra dime on hardware
that exceeds their needs.

<< Bottom Line: GEOS is the cat's meow on an old GeoBook or a PC with very
limited resources. >>

Thank you, but the term "very limited resources" gives the wrong impression as
it can be defined a myriad of ways.

<< Seasoned GEOS users have already acquired serious hardware and have
graduated beyond their modest systems after realizing that Windows XP is so
good. >>

Excuse me?!! My AMD K6/2-500 w/300Mb RAM is "ancient" by your standards, but is
serious overkill for the type of computing I do on a regular basis. I have
beta-tested XP, and have installed, used, and *removed* the Pro version as it
gives me *nothing* inherently better than what I currently have. If it works
for you for your *needs* -- cool beans.

<< Newbies are in two camps. Some have legitimate GEOS needs, while others are
really barking up the wrong tree, so to speak. >>

Nope -- a Newbie is a newbie is a newbie -- we all have to start somewhere. If
you have/wish to start with all the bells and whistles -- and can afford to do
so -- and have someone willing to hold your hand during the learning curve --
by all means, start higher. But not all of us have those needs or desires for
sure. That MY "same tired argument" I state. :-)

Ray