graeme matthew

Hi all, I just wanted to tell someone :-)

I was previously a perl programmer and have been a visual basic frustrated
developer for a number of years, only for the reason that corporates are so
obsessed with using proprietary marketing focused computer languages and not


experienced using visual basic is unbelievable and most of these programs
could have been easily written in python and solved in half the time. I
looked at ruby, it is a beautiful language too but there are still too many
scarce libraries compared to python. Perl, I still like perl but its syntax
requires a photographic memory when coming back to some old code.

I have now taken on a large project outside of work for another company,
initially they, yes wait for it, wanted a VB client / server solution. It
took me lot of hard motivation and they have now totally changed their
focus, a web based python solution it now is ! who said one cannot market
linux, python and mysql ? I hope to have the project completed in 6 months
and I am looking forward to adding it to one of python's success stories.

So the whole point of this email is that if a lot of you are hitting the
same frustration as myself where managers (and people who think Microsoft
invented everything well except a watch you need to recharge every 2 days
:-) keep on insisting on developing in the basket case Microsoft Languages
such as VB (I am not mentioning C or C++ as it does not fall into this
bracket) then dont give up, keep up the evangelism, as someday they will
give in .... and let you prove it too them

Cheers

delphiro

Same story here,

My company primarily uses Delphi (Object Pascal) which is actualy a nice development language / IDE but with linux as a rising star and Kylix as a nasty and not-so-friendly-and-platform-indepandent Delphi-clone we have decided to use Python for a number of small projects. As a python addict I really hope this works out! No offence, but I'd rather be using Emacs and Python than the Delphi IDE. It is so much more fun and it runs on Linux *and* Windows (ok and more.. but those are our target OS'es).

We now have a team of 4 Python addicts trying to convince our bosses and the 30+ Delphi developers. I realy hope this works out :-)

Regards,
Rob

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thomas weholt

I've been a hardcore python evangelist for 4-5 years, but in my experience
most developers are conservative when it comes to programming languages.
They tend to stick to what they know and avoid everything else. Especially
coders using compiled languages like Delphi/Pascal. They know some VB or
Perl and laugh when I bring up Python. But don't loose faith.

Thomas


development language / IDE but with linux as a rising star and Kylix as a
nasty and not-so-friendly-and-platform-indepandent Delphi-clone we have
decided to use Python for a number of small projects. As a python addict I
really hope this works out! No offence, but I'd rather be using Emacs and
Python than the Delphi IDE. It is so much more fun and it runs on Linux
*and* Windows (ok and more.. but those are our target OS'es).


the 30+ Delphi developers. I realy hope this works out :-)

cartermark46

"Me too". I am a programmer at a firm of engineers. They're fixated by
all things Microsoft. I try to explain to them that, perhaps, not
*everything* is best done on Excel using VBA. I happened to glance at
a proposal for a large job (for them) that they were bidding for; and
it stated that it was to be based on Microsoft Access. *Groan*. Honest
to God, if it doesn't have coloured cells all over the place, then
they kind of stare at you like rabbits caught in the headlights of an
oncoming car. Attempts to tell them that all this guff is difficult to
put under version control because it's a binary ... you should
separate code from data ... blah blah ... well, I might as well talk
to a brick wall.

Rant over. For now.

ian sparks

Speaking as someone who uses Python and Delphi daily I have to say I don't laugh when someone brings up Python though I admit its hard to get Delphi developers to look at Python at all.

On the other hand, I don't take Dave's comment that he would rather be using Python and Emacs to the (really excellent) Delphi IDE too seriously either. OTOH maybe Dave actually feels this way but there are good reasons not to :

For Windows GUI apps Delphi has a great screen-builder and a collection of 3rd party component (many freeware) that puts Tk/Swing/wxWindows/QT/GTK/everything else available to Python to shame.

Outside of that space (Linux, Mac) and for non-gui apps the benefit of Delphi is less-clear especially since Python comes with "batteries included" but Delphi still has a superb debugger, model driven development and a collection of great tools built into the IDE.

You should also be aware of PythonForDelphi and COM - techniques that can be used to wrap a Delphi GUI around a Python engine - possibly the best of both worlds!

Python *is* great but lets not pretend that its a good fit for every problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Weholt [mailto:2002@weholt.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:18 PM
To: python-list@python.org
Subject: Re: Python is a gem, you need to keep pushing it ....


I've been a hardcore python evangelist for 4-5 years, but in my experience
most developers are conservative when it comes to programming languages.
They tend to stick to what they know and avoid everything else. Especially
coders using compiled languages like Delphi/Pascal. They know some VB or
Perl and laugh when I bring up Python. But don't loose faith. Thomas
"delphiro" <delphiro@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:mailman.1057242668.12614.python-list@python.org...

development language / IDE but with linux as a rising star and Kylix as a
nasty and not-so-friendly-and-platform-indepandent Delphi-clone we have
decided to use Python for a number of small projects. As a python addict I
really hope this works out! No offence, but I'd rather be using Emacs and
Python than the Delphi IDE. It is so much more fun and it runs on Linux
*and* Windows (ok and more.. but those are our target OS'es).


the 30+ Delphi developers. I realy hope this works out :-)

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