ppnerkdeletethis

I've been following the debate on GOTO elsewhere here in c.l.b.m and
in alt.lang.basic and it has been pleasing to note that a consensus
seems to have been reached. (Unlike in the unhappy religious divide
over opening eggs as documented in "Gulliver's Travels". :-)

If I may be so bold as to summarise the conclusion here as I see it:

One should use GOTO when it is necessary and one should
avoid it when it is not needed.


Cheers, Phred.

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happy trails

I don't think so. It seems that the guys who think it is bad to use
goto's just are not required to produce large, complex commercial
applications any time, but just sample programs where they get to
dictate the logic to their own ends.

They will always think they are better programmers than anyone who
knows the value of simplified logic, because they think it is
important to always demonstrate how intricate they can make their
bird-nested, indented, multiply-conditioned if-then-else-do-while-not-
too-complicated loops.

There is nothing anyone could do other than post far too much code
here to convince them otherwise, and they will wiggle out of doing it
anyway. You could shove their noses in it and they still would not
accept it.

So why bother?

I'm happy enough doing what I do with the tools I have available.

Just because I don't have the luxury to devote my life to trying to
convince these dipshits otherwise doesn't mean they are right, or that
a consensus seems to have been reached.

That just shifts the argument to who is to decide if it is needed,
like the "who is a best programmer" bullshit.

I use it because I know it is necessary in my work, and I use it
because it is the best construction to use in the situations I use it.
I do not bother to count how often, but I know it's a lot.

I don't really care how sloppy others can be with goto's or any other
logic construction - it doesn't affect me.

There doesn't really seem to be anything I could or would want to
expend the effort to do to affect the way progarmming languages grow
and develop in the future.

So I stopped arguing this point because I just don't give a fuck
anymore - not because a consensus has been reached.

You are terribly wrong to assume that has happened.

news

I assume your comment applies to me? You do know a little about my
background, I suppose? Sheesh, if you are going to spout nonsense you
might at least attempt to make it *plausible* nonsense!

I can't make up my mind whether you're a troll (in which case I
shouldn't be replying at all) or whether you actually believe what you
write.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
To reply by email change 'news' to my forename.

spambait

You couldn't possibly be farther off the mark. It's precisely in large,
complex programs where GOTOs are the most harmful.

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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

happy trails

Not really - I have been ignoring most of your recent posts as
irrelavent marketing propaganda.

happy trails

Not really - I have been ignoring most of your recent posts as
irrelavent marketing propaganda.

Sorry - I cut out the wrong paragraph before - wouldn't want you to
get the wrong idea.

gordon rahman

This is a debate of people (all programmers) of computer languages.
Some of you try to make programs for a living. If you try to sell it than
....

I am the one to buy them?

Well, I DEMAND GOTO!!!
Otherwise you can keep your language.

I am using and not making those academic programs you're making
If I wanted to buy a program to program, I would NOT buy yours if its lacks
GOTO.
I am NOT a professional programmer.

We (the guys you're trying to sell to) don't buy difficult stuff for fun.

PLEASE give us GOTO..... GOTO...GOTO

Gordon


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news

This is a group about the BASIC language. The BASIC language includes
GOTO as a fundamental part. I do not see how a language not including
GOTO could possibly be called BASIC. So I don't really understand the
point you are making.

Richard.
http://www.rtrussell.co.uk/
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eric

I don't mind local GOTO's as long as the target is within a couple
dozen lines. Other than that, sometimes an "error abort" type of GOTO
is OK.

I absolutely hate scrolling for 5 minutes trying to find the target of
a GOTO, however! And I lose my original place in the process so that
is very frustrating.

Eric

gordon rahman

Well, Mr. Dijkstra was a teacher. He had to read (and correct) the BASIC
programs his


GOTO. Now, in The Netherlands today we buy programs. We don't
program anymore nor do we teach programming anymore, at least no BASIC. Gordon.
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