rich

I didn't get this one because I have MEST in the block sender list.
Didn't this happen once before, Gary signing as Leaf? Hmmmm, doesn't
really matter who it is... so few detractors, so many names.:-| For
those that don't know, this behavior is covered in my post under the
Kali Yuga thread.

Interesting that he chose to ignore all of the quotes except the one
that doesn't say anything about Eckankar or even religion in general.
As I see it, it only says that one is not lost to Spirit(ECK),the Light
and Sound, unless the human consciousness seperates itself from It.
Harold explains that he doesn't have a problem with it because as Soul
we all come back to the Light and Sound of God. I can only guess he
sees this as a threat because he feels that he has seperated himself
from It? Hard to say what motivates trolls to step away from the higher
perspective and interpret things in such a way...

It appears, that dispite the freedom that Eckankar offers, no matter if
they read these and more a thousand times, those that are captivated by
fear will remain mired in this narrow pespective.
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cher

Once again, I get the strong feeling that hate is the only religion some
of these people are seeking. This ng fulfills all that they were seeking
this lifetime. A sad thought, but with the lack of dialogue it sure seems fitting. :-\

rich

I see it more as the destructive and abusive nature that is evident in
children, especially boys. That, overlayed on inflated ego/insecurity
and the need to fight something(in this case those with religions
beliefs different than theirs) to give more meaning, cause and
excitement to their lives. I don't know that it reflects their
spiritual awareness as much as simple immaturity or psychological
imbalance.

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sean

Sorry to repeat again, but it's called Narcisistic Personality Disorder.
Stuck at age 6, but differnet than the peter pan syndrome.

Sean

cher

Nice assessment. <smile> Now see, if I were to say this then all hell
would break lose. <grin> But being that you have more first hand
experience with the masculine psyche this time around, you can say this
and get a way with it. <wink> I agree with you though.

cher

<twinkle>

pchanning

Leafeater MEST up

cher

LOL...... cute! ;-)

sean

Yes, but, it was their neurotic mother that did it to them!!!

LOL ------------ and ducking on the way out the door from the slipper being
thrown in my direction.

fubbiq

HEART HEALER
MEST, You are too funny! The Modern Profit! I LOVE it! The remarks
in thread #1 initiated by Rich talk about quotes from Harold setting
you free. I thought it would be interesting to quote the HI who wrote
she had received a threatening letter with her membership renewal.

"When I received my annual renewal form from Eckankar the other day, I
was dismayed to read the enclosed letter from Harold which took a
defensive tactic at the start, admonishing me not to criticize the
master or I would suffer tremendously, and also stated that Mahdis
sometimes lose their focus and need to regroup, more or less. It was
clear to me that the renewal letter addressed Ford's book without
saying so and alluded to an existing controversy. I expected to
receive a loving embrace at the prospect of another year of study in
Eckankar; however, what I received was a threat of grave suffering. I
am not buying into the hellfire and damnation thing."....

You are all in such an iron bound grip of the 10 manipulative
controlling and fear instilled tools used in all paths, that you don't
even have a CLUE! Ford lays these out in Confessions for the safety
and well being of all seekers, not just Eckists. Your remarks about
telling your detractors to look for another lesser impure master is
THE dead giveaway that you have not read the book! Believe me, NO
ONE, but NO ONE, would join another group or look for another master
after discovering how cleverly you have been brainwashed with these
tools that are now imbedded in your consciousness in Eckankar. Just
look at yourselves. You are absolutely convinced you are FINE, and
that you haven't been brainwashed. Well, surprise, surprise, you've
been spiritually raped! read the book! Stop acting like everyone's
going off to join another group or find another master. We now know
better! The Higher Consciousness Society is simply a resting point
for folks to get over the emotional shock waves after reading the book
and discovering empirical proof of the truth, and is merely a place to
make the transition out of the deeply imbedded beliefs we all had to
climb out of.

Einstein's quote fits you to a T.

"IGNORANCE IS JUDGMENT WITHOUT INVESTIGATION"

WHAT is your FEAR about reading the book? Chicken? Are you getting
this yet? Have you read enough HIs' posts to perceive they are
sincere in trying to help you break the controls long enough for you
to read the book? Nobody cares if you stay in Eckankar after you read
it, but for heaven's sake read it! You have no idea how you are
embarrassing yourself making false accusations out of complete
ignorance as to what's in the book!

HEART HEALER