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1 19th January 14:34
kenadian
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Default Jesus' Genealogy??able Mary a Levite & jesus refutes the davidic claim - new testament (able jesus new testament gentile priest)


Matthew 1:1 (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son
of David, the son of Abraham.

jesus himself REFUTED THE ABOVE CLAIM made in his name. so please
don't try to outsmart jesus and/or teach him the pauline christianity
and/or make claims on his behalf.

Matthew 22:42 (WEB) saying,
"What do you think of the Christ?
WHOSE SON IS HE?" ?"

They said to him, "Of David." 43 He said to them,
"How then does David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand,
Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?'

45 "If then David calls him Lord,
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD,
neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more
questions.

HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD

so sir, please keep your farfetched speculations to yourself and don't
try to outsmart jesus.


Since both genealogies are based on Joseph, and Joseph was NOT
Jesus' father, then the genealogies disqualify Jesus as Messiah
because he was not physically related to Joseph. And I can give
you even more proof, using the genealogies, that Jesus couldn't
have been David's son and thus couldn't have been Messiah. Would
you care to see them? I'd be glad to oblige you. Now, please show
me where I'm wrong.

Theo:
1. Even if I admit that both genealogies refer to Joseph, it is
still possible that Mary was descended from David.

REVGAUD
The only evidence we have of Mary's descent is this:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a
certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his
wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Do you see the problem? The only reference to Mary's lineage
given in the NT is that she was Elisabeth's cousin (Luke 1:36).
Elisabeth was a daughter of Aaron, which made her a Levite, not a
Judahite. That would most likely make Mary a Levite. You can
speculate all you want, but this is what the text says and you're
supposed to go according to what the text says, right? If you
have textual evidence to refute this, go ahead and produce it.

Moreover, a king's genealogy was NEVER based on his mother, but
his father. Hebrew society was patriarchal and all the
genealogies were based on men, especially those of kings.


The 5 women of Matthew's genealogy:

Matthew: in his genealogical record included the names of 5
women
through whom the Messiah came - 4 of whom have been ?disqualified'

1- Tamar, Mat.1:3:
Tamar is a Canaanite woman wife of Judah's eldest son, Er
(Ge.38:1-7).
Gen 38:11-30 informs us that Judah's daughter-in-law, deprived of
a promised husband (the last of Judah's sons), impersonated a harlot.
She enticed Judah to lie with her and from that illicit union came
two
sons - Perez and Zerah. And from Perez sprung Boaz, David and
ultimately the Christ.

2- Rahab, Mat.1:5:
Rahab was known as ?the harlot' (Joshua 2:1).

she became the mother (ancestor) of Christ.

3- Ruth, Mat.1:5:
Ruth was a Moabitess, a gentile, a pagan (Ruth 1:4)

From her marriage union with Boaz, David came and the greater Son of
David, Jesus. David, strictly speaking, was the third generation from
Ruth,

4- Bathsheba, Mat.1:6:
She had adultery with King David (2S.11:4).
- Solomon, her son with David, was the ancestor of Joseph
(Mat.1:7)... the "legal father" of Jesus.

5- Virgin Mary, Mat.1:16: She is the Mother of Jesus,

REVGAUD
The only evidence we have of Mary's descent is this:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a
certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his
wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Do you see the problem? The only reference to Mary's lineage
given in the NT is that she was Elisabeth's cousin (Luke 1:36).
Elisabeth was a daughter of Aaron, which made her a Levite, not a
Judahite. That would most likely make Mary a Levite. You can
speculate all you want, but this is what the text says and you're
supposed to go according to what the text says, right? If you
have textual evidence to refute this, go ahead and produce it.

Moreover, a king's genealogy was NEVER based on his mother, but
his father. Hebrew society was patriarchal and all the
genealogies were based on men, especially those of kings.


The Name of the Father of Joseph:

The two lists of Matthew and Luke give apparently two different
names to the father of Joseph:
- Jacob the father of Joseph (Mat.1:16).
- Joseph, the son of Heli (Lk.1:23).

The Jeconiah Curse:

In the genealogy in Matthew 1, notice one name, Jeconiah
(Jechonias) , in verse 11. In Jeremiah 22:30 we read, Thus says the
Lord: write this man down as childless, a man who shall not prosper
in
his days: for none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the
throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. Joseph was in the line
of this curse.
Tamar is a Canaanite Women:

Objections maintain that Tamar is a Canaanite woman in the list of
Mathew (1:3) thus falsifying the true biological genealogy of the
Lord.

Tamar was the Canaanite wife of Judah's eldest son, Er, who died
prematurely (Gen 38:1-7). When the patriarch Judah refused her the
normal considerations of remarriage, she tricked him as a harlot into
fathering her son, who then was incorporated into what was to become
the messianic line (Gen 38:8-30).

Ruth and Rahab were also gentiles... Jesus indeed was not 100%
Jew.

The Number of Progenitors:

Another objection is the difference in the number of generations:
Matthew lists
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2 19th January 14:34
kenadian
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Posts: 1
Default Jesus' Genealogy??able Mary a Levite & jesus refutes the davidic claim - new testament (able jesus new testament gentile priest)


Matthew 1:1 (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son
of David, the son of Abraham.

jesus himself REFUTED THE ABOVE CLAIM made in his name. so please
don't try to outsmart jesus and/or teach him the pauline christianity
and/or make claims on his behalf.

Matthew 22:42 (WEB) saying,
"What do you think of the Christ?
WHOSE SON IS HE?" ?"

They said to him, "Of David." 43 He said to them,
"How then does David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 'The Lord said to my Lord, Sit on my right hand,
Until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet?'

45 "If then David calls him Lord,
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD,
neither dared any man from that day forth ask him any more
questions.

HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD
HOW IS HE HIS SON?" 46 NO ONE WAS ABLE TO ANSWER HIM A WORD

so sir, please keep your farfetched speculations to yourself and don't
try to outsmart jesus.


Since both genealogies are based on Joseph, and Joseph was NOT
Jesus' father, then the genealogies disqualify Jesus as Messiah
because he was not physically related to Joseph. And I can give
you even more proof, using the genealogies, that Jesus couldn't
have been David's son and thus couldn't have been Messiah. Would
you care to see them? I'd be glad to oblige you. Now, please show
me where I'm wrong.

Theo:
1. Even if I admit that both genealogies refer to Joseph, it is
still possible that Mary was descended from David.

REVGAUD
The only evidence we have of Mary's descent is this:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a
certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his
wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Do you see the problem? The only reference to Mary's lineage
given in the NT is that she was Elisabeth's cousin (Luke 1:36).
Elisabeth was a daughter of Aaron, which made her a Levite, not a
Judahite. That would most likely make Mary a Levite. You can
speculate all you want, but this is what the text says and you're
supposed to go according to what the text says, right? If you
have textual evidence to refute this, go ahead and produce it.

Moreover, a king's genealogy was NEVER based on his mother, but
his father. Hebrew society was patriarchal and all the
genealogies were based on men, especially those of kings.


The 5 women of Matthew's genealogy:

Matthew: in his genealogical record included the names of 5
women
through whom the Messiah came - 4 of whom have been ?disqualified'

1- Tamar, Mat.1:3:
Tamar is a Canaanite woman wife of Judah's eldest son, Er
(Ge.38:1-7).
Gen 38:11-30 informs us that Judah's daughter-in-law, deprived of
a promised husband (the last of Judah's sons), impersonated a harlot.
She enticed Judah to lie with her and from that illicit union came
two
sons - Perez and Zerah. And from Perez sprung Boaz, David and
ultimately the Christ.

2- Rahab, Mat.1:5:
Rahab was known as ?the harlot' (Joshua 2:1).

she became the mother (ancestor) of Christ.

3- Ruth, Mat.1:5:
Ruth was a Moabitess, a gentile, a pagan (Ruth 1:4)

From her marriage union with Boaz, David came and the greater Son of
David, Jesus. David, strictly speaking, was the third generation from
Ruth,

4- Bathsheba, Mat.1:6:
She had adultery with King David (2S.11:4).
- Solomon, her son with David, was the ancestor of Joseph
(Mat.1:7)... the "legal father" of Jesus.

5- Virgin Mary, Mat.1:16: She is the Mother of Jesus,

REVGAUD
The only evidence we have of Mary's descent is this:
Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a
certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his
wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

Do you see the problem? The only reference to Mary's lineage
given in the NT is that she was Elisabeth's cousin (Luke 1:36).
Elisabeth was a daughter of Aaron, which made her a Levite, not a
Judahite. That would most likely make Mary a Levite. You can
speculate all you want, but this is what the text says and you're
supposed to go according to what the text says, right? If you
have textual evidence to refute this, go ahead and produce it.

Moreover, a king's genealogy was NEVER based on his mother, but
his father. Hebrew society was patriarchal and all the
genealogies were based on men, especially those of kings.


The Name of the Father of Joseph:

The two lists of Matthew and Luke give apparently two different
names to the father of Joseph:
- Jacob the father of Joseph (Mat.1:16).
- Joseph, the son of Heli (Lk.1:23).

The Jeconiah Curse:

In the genealogy in Matthew 1, notice one name, Jeconiah
(Jechonias) , in verse 11. In Jeremiah 22:30 we read, Thus says the
Lord: write this man down as childless, a man who shall not prosper
in
his days: for none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the
throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. Joseph was in the line
of this curse.
Tamar is a Canaanite Women:

Objections maintain that Tamar is a Canaanite woman in the list of
Mathew (1:3) thus falsifying the true biological genealogy of the
Lord.

Tamar was the Canaanite wife of Judah's eldest son, Er, who died
prematurely (Gen 38:1-7). When the patriarch Judah refused her the
normal considerations of remarriage, she tricked him as a harlot into
fathering her son, who then was incorporated into what was to become
the messianic line (Gen 38:8-30).

Ruth and Rahab were also gentiles... Jesus indeed was not 100%
Jew.

The Number of Progenitors:

Another objection is the difference in the number of generations:
Matthew lists
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