christian

resigned from the LDS Church:


1) The Mark Hofmann Affair. He "fooled" the leaders of the Church
(over and over and over and over again) who claim to have the "spirit
of discernment" whereby they can detect anyone who is lying to them.
Mark Hofmann fooled them for 6 years.


2) While Mormons are required to affirm their belief that Gordon B.
Hinckley, the entire First Presidency, and the Quorum of the Twelve are

"Prophets,Seers,Revelators" I KNOW that they do not prophesy, they do
not see visions, and they did not receive Thus saith the Lord
Revelation. Hense, they are NOT prophets/seers/revelators.


3) The Church is now in a campaign of COVER-UP regarding the Curse of
Cain legacy. The Church taught for 150 years, as OFFICIAL doctrine,
that Negroes are the "accursed children of Cain". The Church today is
telling journalists and others "The Church NEVER taught that!" THAT'S
A BIG LIE!


4) After living for 6 years in Utah, and being around Mormons closely
for 27 years, I can ASSURE YOU that they are NOT Saints; latter-day,
former-day, or any day! Perhaps 7% of active Mormons strive the live
the Gospel. The rest do whatever they want to do and merely stive to
"appear" to try to live the Gospel. Most active Mormons I know think
that "appearing" to be "worthy" means you ARE "worthy". They have no
idea it could be any other way.


5) The Book of Mormon purports to be a history of certain peoples in
ancient America (600 B.C. to 450 A.D.) who had horses, wheels,
chariots, goats, oxen, cattle, asses, and tens of thousands of acres of

domesticated wheat. All archaeology done says that there were NO
horses, asses, oxen, goats, sheep, cattle, or wheels (much less
chariots) in any part of North or South America until the Spanish
arrived (except for the Island of Newfoundland which was settle by some

Vikings a few hundred years before Columbus). ALL of the archaeological

evidence is AGAINST the BOM being an history of anyone in ancient
America before the Spanish/English/French colonists. The American
Indians had no horses, oxen, goats, cattle, or domesticated wheat, but
rather hunted possems, turkeys, picarries, and raised squash, beans,
and maize (corn).


6) The science of DNA concludes that the American Indians are related
to the Tuvan people of Siberia; not to the ancient Jews. The American
Indians are an Asiatic people; not a Semitic-Caucasian people.


7) Many experiences dealing with local bishops PROVED to me beyond a
doubt they ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM! Rather,
most of them are very self-righteous superstitious simpletons who are
about as "spiritual" as a ham sandwich.


8) Affluent Mormons are the most money-loving, greedy, two-faced
hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. They worship
money, and their own selves. Much less "saints", they aren't even
Christians. They DISPISE the poor!


9) I could never accept that God the Father came down from heaven and
rammed his "member" into his daughter Mary in order to produce the body

of Jesus! That is religious-****ography, and nothing to do with God!


10) Mormons DO NOT believe in the doctrine of The Book of Mormon; which

most often preaches AGAINST what current Mormonism teaches, for
example, the BOM teaches:


*Salvation is by Grace
Mormons believe salvation is by their own works and "righteousness"
("worthiness")


*There is only one God
Mormons believe there are many gods


*Do no baptize anyone until they have had a born-again experience.
Mormons have NO IDEA what a born-again experience means, and are
baptized on their 8th birthdays. Mormon children are TOLD what they
believe.


*etc.


11) Utah has the greatest disparity of rich and poor in the U.S. It
would even be GREATER (poor being poorer/rich being richer) if not for
the Democratic Party and labor unions! Most wealthy Mormons see
themselves as 'superior' and 'more righteous' than others; and they
truly DESPISE the poor!


12) Utah has the greatest number of working mothers! Mormon leaders
tell Mormon mothers, "Don't work outside the home!' then these same
leaders work to destroy all Utah laws that would increase the wage and
benefits of workers in Utah (Mormon leaders belong to super-wealthy
Utah LDS "old pioneer families" who get richer off of cheap labor
costs). Most Mormon mothers MUST work out of the home in order to pay
the rent and food! Then Mormon leaders chide these mothers for doing
so!!!


I would go on, but I think you get the picture.
Darrick Evenson

greg

This is a post Darrick Evensons made to ARM ( Alt.Religion.Mormon) .
Did Darrick give you permission to copy it and post it here in full. ?
Seems lik a very Shonky thing to do.
Greg

"I was an active Mormon for 8 years. I served a mission. I wrote a book

in defense of the LDS Church (The Gainsayers, 1989). This is why I
resigned from the LDS Church:"

Really, Lance? When were you a Mormon? Since this message has
been posted by someone else and is signed with someone else's name, you
should -- due to that whole inconvenient for you matter of truthful
representation -- have acknowledged that original author. But,
instead, you chose to lie once again....and this time you added theft
of someone else's work to your list of reasons no one would ever
mistake you for a Christian.

Nicely done. I'm sure Jesus Christ is SOOOOOOO proud to have a
lying thief claiming to be his follower.

gene fuller

Maybe Lance is really Derrick Evenson.

christian

resigned from the LDS Church:


1) The Mark Hofmann Affair. He "fooled" the leaders of the Church
(over and over and over and over again) who claim to have the "spirit
of discernment" whereby they can detect anyone who is lying to them.
Mark Hofmann fooled them for 6 years.


2) While Mormons are required to affirm their belief that Gordon B.
Hinckley, the entire First Presidency, and the Quorum of the Twelve are

"Prophets,Seers,Revelators" I KNOW that they do not prophesy, they do
not see visions, and they did not receive Thus saith the Lord
Revelation. Hense, they are NOT prophets/seers/revelators.


3) The Church is now in a campaign of COVER-UP regarding the Curse of
Cain legacy. The Church taught for 150 years, as OFFICIAL doctrine,
that Negroes are the "accursed children of Cain". The Church today is
telling journalists and others "The Church NEVER taught that!" THAT'S
A BIG LIE!


4) After living for 6 years in Utah, and being around Mormons closely
for 27 years, I can ASSURE YOU that they are NOT Saints; latter-day,
former-day, or any day! Perhaps 7% of active Mormons strive the live
the Gospel. The rest do whatever they want to do and merely stive to
"appear" to try to live the Gospel. Most active Mormons I know think
that "appearing" to be "worthy" means you ARE "worthy". They have no
idea it could be any other way.


5) The Book of Mormon purports to be a history of certain peoples in
ancient America (600 B.C. to 450 A.D.) who had horses, wheels,
chariots, goats, oxen, cattle, asses, and tens of thousands of acres of

domesticated wheat. All archaeology done says that there were NO
horses, asses, oxen, goats, sheep, cattle, or wheels (much less
chariots) in any part of North or South America until the Spanish
arrived (except for the Island of Newfoundland which was settle by some

Vikings a few hundred years before Columbus). ALL of the archaeological

evidence is AGAINST the BOM being an history of anyone in ancient
America before the Spanish/English/French colonists. The American
Indians had no horses, oxen, goats, cattle, or domesticated wheat, but
rather hunted possems, turkeys, picarries, and raised squash, beans,
and maize (corn).


6) The science of DNA concludes that the American Indians are related
to the Tuvan people of Siberia; not to the ancient Jews. The American
Indians are an Asiatic people; not a Semitic-Caucasian people.


7) Many experiences dealing with local bishops PROVED to me beyond a
doubt they ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM! Rather,
most of them are very self-righteous superstitious simpletons who are
about as "spiritual" as a ham sandwich.


8) Affluent Mormons are the most money-loving, greedy, two-faced
hypocrites I've ever had the displeasure of knowing. They worship
money, and their own selves. Much less "saints", they aren't even
Christians. They DISPISE the poor!


9) I could never accept that God the Father came down from heaven and
rammed his "member" into his daughter Mary in order to produce the body

of Jesus! That is religious-****ography, and nothing to do with God!


10) Mormons DO NOT believe in the doctrine of The Book of Mormon; which

most often preaches AGAINST what current Mormonism teaches, for
example, the BOM teaches:


*Salvation is by Grace
Mormons believe salvation is by their own works and "righteousness"
("worthiness")


*There is only one God
Mormons believe there are many gods


*Do no baptize anyone until they have had a born-again experience.
Mormons have NO IDEA what a born-again experience means, and are
baptized on their 8th birthdays. Mormon children are TOLD what they
believe.


*etc.


11) Utah has the greatest disparity of rich and poor in the U.S. It
would even be GREATER (poor being poorer/rich being richer) if not for
the Democratic Party and labor unions! Most wealthy Mormons see
themselves as 'superior' and 'more righteous' than others; and they
truly DESPISE the poor!


12) Utah has the greatest number of working mothers! Mormon leaders
tell Mormon mothers, "Don't work outside the home!' then these same
leaders work to destroy all Utah laws that would increase the wage and
benefits of workers in Utah (Mormon leaders belong to super-wealthy
Utah LDS "old pioneer families" who get richer off of cheap labor
costs). Most Mormon mothers MUST work out of the home in order to pay
the rent and food! Then Mormon leaders chide these mothers for doing
so!!!


I would go on, but I think you get the picture.
Darrick Evenson

greg

This is a post Darrick Evensons made to ARM ( Alt.Religion.Mormon) .
Did Darrick give you permission to copy it and post it here in full. ?
Seems lik a very Shonky thing to do.
Greg

"I was an active Mormon for 8 years. I served a mission. I wrote a book

in defense of the LDS Church (The Gainsayers, 1989). This is why I
resigned from the LDS Church:"

Really, Lance? When were you a Mormon? Since this message has
been posted by someone else and is signed with someone else's name, you
should -- due to that whole inconvenient for you matter of truthful
representation -- have acknowledged that original author. But,
instead, you chose to lie once again....and this time you added theft
of someone else's work to your list of reasons no one would ever
mistake you for a Christian.

Nicely done. I'm sure Jesus Christ is SOOOOOOO proud to have a
lying thief claiming to be his follower.

gene fuller

Maybe Lance is really Derrick Evenson.

christian

gadruid@gmail.com

Since you are a Druid and in love with the earth, have you kissed some
dirt today or are you just a tree hugger? Why are you anti-Christian
and pro-Mormon? This could be interesting if he can answer truthfully.

"Since you are a Druid"

Very happily and proudly so.

"and in love with the earth,"

And here we see Lance lie yet again. This has been pointed out as
a lie, yet you repeat it.

"have you kissed some dirt today or are you just a tree hugger?"

Where are you getting your ideas? Why would I want to kiss dirt?
The only time I ever hugged a tree was when I was a kid climbing one
and slipped and threw my arms around it to prevent my falling. You
should learn what you're talking about, Lance. You'll find that facts
can be used to fill that void created by uneducated, hate-driven,
bigoted ignorance.

"Why are you anti-Christian"

I'm not. I don't find Christianity important enough to deserve
that much of my attention.

"and pro-Mormon?"

Where do you get the idea that I'm "pro-Mormon"? I have never
once said anything that was supportive of the LDS religion. You'll
notice that I have even said that I do not agree with their beliefs. I
spoke up about your comments due to the rabid and blatant lies you were
telling. I'm "anti-lie" if anything.

"This could be interesting if he can answer truthfully."

I answered truthfully...like I have every time anyone on here has
asked me a question. Your turn, Lance. Can you answer truthfully?
Why are you lying about me? Why are you attacking other religions?