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1 11th June 14:12
eddie haskell
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Default The Apostle Paul on Judaized Jews V2.0 S_0226 (movements wise energy garments religion)


Imagine being dragged from your house, hunted down town from town, flogged in a
"house of worship", imprisoned and executed and all on account of your religion.
Am I referring to events 70 years ago? No. I am referring to what First Century
Christians endured at the hands of Jews!!

The Apostle Paul says much in two Bible scriptures:

1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 (English-NIV):
14 For you, brothers, became imitators of God's churches in Judea,
which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the
same things those churches suffered from the Jews,
15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out.
They displease God and are hostile to all men.

Notice the fine points made by the Apostle Paul in just two verses of
scripture!

He brought out in just two verses:
1) "those churches suffered from the Jews" Those sweet harmless
little Jews were committing "hate crimes" against Christians!
2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the least bit
bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus" which the Churches of
Christendom won't do!
3) "They displease God.." The Temple is still in ruins as a testament
to that fact! Undeniable wouldn't you say? And last BUT certainly not
least by any stretch of the imagination:
4) "They (Jews) are hostile to all men."

Regarding "2) "the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus" The Apostle Paul was not the
least bit bashful about telling people "who killed the Lord Jesus" which the
Churches of Christendom won't do!" see this archive:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: UPDATED The Most Heinous Murder Plot Ever Devised (For Your Archives &
Research) V2.5 Message-ID: <m1p5nv4es86j78p5dr5pe41l8pi3vfcst0@4ax.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2003 13:23:49 GMT

I might as well throw this in seeing how I mentioned "Hate Crimes."
Historically, who do most people think were more brutal- Nazis or
Pharisees?

Persecution and torture:

Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and
scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will
scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town....

[To scourge means to lash or whip severely. Imagine Jews chasing
people from town to town and flogging them in their synagogues! It
happened and it is do***ented in the Bible for all to see! Tavish]

The fulfillment:

Acts 5:27-30,40,41 (English-RSV)
27 And when they had brought them [Apostles], they set them before the
council. And the high priest questioned them,
28 saying, "We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet
here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and you intend to
bring this man's blood upon us."
29 But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than
men.
30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus whom you killed by hanging him
on a tree.
40 ... they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged
them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
41 Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they
were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name.

Acts 8:1-3 (English-RSV)
1 And Saul was consenting to his death. And on that day a great
persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem; and they were all
scattered throughout the region of Judea and Sama'ria, except the
apostles.
2 Devout men buried Stephen, and made great lamentation over him.
3 But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he
dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.

Acts 9:1,2 (English-RSV)
1 But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples
of the Lord, went to the high priest
2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if
he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them
bound to Jerusalem.

Saul later became the Apostle Paul after being "converted" on the road
to Damascus and here is his confession of what he did to Christians:

Acts 22:1,2,4,5-8,19,20 (English-RSV)
1[Apostle Paul speaks]"Brethren and fathers, hear the defense which I
now make before you."
2 And when they heard that he addressed them in the Hebrew language,
they were the more quiet. And he said:
4 I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and delivering to prison
both men and women,
5 as the high priest and the whole council of elders bear me witness.
From them I received letters to the brethren, and I journeyed to
Damascus to take those also who were there and bring them in bonds to
Jerusalem to be punished.
6 "As I made my journey and drew near to Damascus, about noon a great
light from heaven suddenly shone about me.
7 And I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, 'Saul,
Saul, why do you persecute me?'
8 And I answered, 'Who are you, Lord?' And he said to me, 'I am Jesus
of Nazareth whom you are persecuting.' ......
19 And I said, 'Lord, they themselves know that in every synagogue I
imprisoned and beat those who believed in thee. [YLT version: and I
said, Lord, they -- they know that I was imprisoning and was scourging
in every synagogue those believing on thee]
20 And when the blood of Stephen thy witness was shed, I also was
standing by and approving, and keeping the garments of those who
killed him.' ....

More of Apostle Paul confessing and repenting from his wickedness:

Acts 26:9-11 (English-RSV)
9 "I myself was convinced that I ought to do many things in opposing
the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
10 And I did so in Jerusalem; I not only shut up many of the saints in
prison, by authority from the chief priests, but when they were put to
death I cast my vote against them.
11 And I punished them often in all the synagogues and tried to make
them blaspheme; and in raging fury against them, I persecuted them
even to foreign cities.

{The Apostle Paul was really some sort of a vicious "Nazi" wasn't he
when he existed as a Pharisee named Saul? He did all of this
persecution in the name of Judaism! Proof below.}

Galatians 1:1,13,14 (English-RSV)
1 Paul an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus
Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--
13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted
the church of God violently and tried to destroy it;
14 and I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my
people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.

Acts 26:1,4,5 (English-RSV)
1 Agrippa said to Paul, "You have permission to speak for yourself."
Then Paul stretched out his hand and made his defense:
4 "My manner of life from my youth, spent from the beginning among my
own nation and at Jerusalem, is known by all the Jews.
5 They have known for a long time, if they are willing to testify,
that according to the strictest party of our religion I have lived as
a Pharisee.

Here is what the Universal Encyclopedia (1905 ed) says of the
relations of the First Century Christians and Pharisees: "In the
passages referring to the Christian period, "minim" usually indicates
Judeo-Christians.... During the first century of Christianity the
Rabbis lived on friendly terms with the minim.... These friendly
feelings, however, gradually gave way to violent hatred, as the minim
separated themselves from all connection with Jews and propagated
writings which the Rabbis considered more dangerous to the unity of
Judaism than those of the pagans. 'The writings of the minim,' says
Rabbi Tarfon, 'deserve to be burned, even though the holy name of God
occurs therein'... It was forbidden to partake meat, bread, and wine


relatives of a min were not permitted to observe the laws of mourning
after his death, but they were required to assume festive garments and
rejoice (Sem. ii. 10; Yoreh De'ah, 345).... an Israelite who found
anything belonging to a min was forbidden to return it to him (see
Hoshen Mishpat, 266, 2)." Univ Jew Encyc (1905) page 595

[The claim made above: "During the first century of Christianity the
Rabbis lived on friendly terms with the minim." is out of agreement
with what the Bible said. Tavish]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let the "deniers and revisionists" lie all they wish but they can't
keep denying that their forefathers invaded homes, dragged people out
and commited them to prison, floggings and even death! Yes, the true
"deniers and revisionists" are the Jews!

More of their activity recorded for posterity:

INCITING RIOTS & MISCHIEF:

Acts 9:22-23 (English-RSV):

22 But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded the
Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Christ.
23 When many days had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him....

Acts 13:45 (English-RSV):

But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with jealousy,
and contradicted what was spoken by Paul, and reviled him.

Acts 13:50 (English-RSV)

But the Jews incited the devout women of high standing and the leading
men of the city, and stirred up persecution against Paul and Barnabas,
and drove them out of their district.

Acts 14:2,19 (English-RSV)

2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their
minds against the brethren.
19 But Jews came there from Antioch and Ico'nium; and having persuaded
the people, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the city,
supposing that he was dead.

Acts 17:5 (English-RSV)

But the Jews were jealous, and taking some wicked fellows of the
rabble, they gathered a crowd, set the city in an uproar, and attacked
the house of Jason, seeking to bring them out to the people.

Acts 21:27,30 (English-RSV)

27 When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, who
had seen him in the temple, stirred up all the crowd, and laid hands
on him,
30 Then all the city was aroused, and the people ran together; they
seized Paul and dragged him out of the temple, and at once the gates
were shut.

Acts 23:12-15 (English-RSV)

12 When it was day, the Jews made a plot and bound themselves by an
oath neither to eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
13 There were more than forty who made this conspiracy.
14 And they went to the chief priests and elders, and said, "We have
strictly bound ourselves by an oath to taste no food till we have
killed Paul.
15 You therefore, along with the council, give notice now to the
tribune to bring him down to you, as though you were going to
determine his case more exactly. And we are ready to kill him before
he comes near."

[NOTE: Acts 23: 15 (English-NIV) council is rendered as Sanhedrin:
Now then, you and the Sanhedrin petition the commander to bring him
before you on the pretext of wanting more accurate information about
his case. We are ready to kill him before he gets here.]

We all know who these Jews were; they were adherents if the Pharisees
and the Sanhedrin was the Pharisees' "court."

I.E.

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943 edition, page 474] says:
"The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a
break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading
ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent,
of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the
largest and most important single member of that literature, and round
it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and
partly works of edification (Haggadic)."

Here is what two different Jewish sources state what Judaism is
based on:

".... any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be based on the
TALMUD as the final resume...." "The JEWS - Their History, Culture,
and Religion", Vol. 4, p. 1332, Jewish Publication Society of America

"The TALMUD is to this day the circulting heart's blood of the Jewish
religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe- whether we
are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic
sentimentalists-we follow the TALMUD. It is our common law."
THE TALMUD; HEART'S BLOOD of the JEWISH FAITH
by Herman Wouk which also ran serially in the (11/17/59)
New York Herald Tribune

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Matthew 23:34 (English-RSV)
[Jesus warned] Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and
scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify.....

Date: Thu, Nov 30, 1995 5:32 PM EDT

By Philippa Fletcher

MOSCOW (Reuter) - A Russian presidential commission said
Monday that 200,000 clergy were systematically murdered under
Soviet rule in a horrific cycle of crucifixions, scalpings and
``bestial tortures.''

Commission chairman Alexander Yakovlev, presenting the
report at a news conference, seemed unconcerned that it might
deter electors from voting communist or nationalist in
parliamentary elections on Dec. 17.

``If it has an influence, I will be very satisfied,'' he
said.

The report by the Commission for the Rehabilitation of the
Victims of Political Repression also found that another 500,000
religious figures suffered persecution in the decades after
Vladimir Lenin's Bolsheviks seized power.

``Do***ents relate how clergymen, monks, nuns were crucified
on royal gates and shot in the ba*****ts of the Cheka (secret
police), scalped, strangled, drowned and submitted to other
bestial tortures,'' he said.

Yakovlev said some of the material, from archives of the
former ruling politburo and security services, had not been
previously published and that uncovering it was traumatic.

``I was especially shocked by accounts of priests turned
into columns of ice in winter... But that's not all, there were
crucifixions ... It was total cruelty.''

He said hundreds of people were shot for not giving up
church property, and only a fraction of the proceeds were spent
on the poor as the authorities had promised.

<END

The above was mirrored in this archive as well:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=l9e25vg621gd62qu0ourkmpkl8o0aisrrg%404ax.com&rnum=1
Subject: Post-Soviet Religion (What Communists did to Christians) R_0217
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:35:49 -0600
Message-ID: <l9e25vg621gd62qu0ourkmpkl8o0aisrrg@4ax.com>

<<<In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>

Link active January 23, 2003

http://honors.montana.edu/~oelks/Religion.html

Post-Soviet Religion
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Religion was highly persecuted under communism. Churches were stripped of their
valuables and then destroyed or converted to government purposes. There are many
reports of priests being crucified in their own churches, along with the
banishment of the faithful to the gulag. Even though religion existed in the
Soviet Union, it was often only a show put on by the communists to pacify the
complaints of the rest of the world. As a result, religion in contemporary
Russia faces many obstacles.

Many surviving church buildings have been returned to their original owners,
although many are little more than four walls. Of the religious icons available
in 1913, 80% were smuggled out of the country. This devastation of historical
relics, an aspect important to the Russian Orthodox Church, has taken much of
the flavor out of Russian religion. Others, however, have it worse. For example,
the Lutheran church in St. Petersburg was converted into a swimming pool by the
communists and parishioners are working hard to return the building to its
original state.

The years of persecution and the changes in Russian culture have left the
elderly as the strongest bastion of religion. Church service audiences consist
largely of babushki, old ladies, who never gave up the faith.

Bolsheviks turned priests into columns of ice (December 1995)
MOSCOW (Reuter) - A Russian presidential commission has announced that 200,000
clergy were systematically murdered under Soviet rule in a horrific cycle of
crucifixions, scalpings and "bestial tortures." Commission chairman Alexander
Yakovlev, presenting the report at a news conference, seemed unconcerned that it
might deter electors from voting communist or nationalist in parliamentary
elections on December 17.

"If it has an influence, I will be very satisfied," he said.

The report by the Commission for the Rehabilitation of the Victims of Political
Repression also found that another 500,000 religious figures suffered
persecution in the decades after Vladimir lenin's Bolsheviks seized power.

"do***ents relate how clergymen, monks, nuns were crucified on royal gates and
shot in the ba*****ts of the Cheka (secret police), scalped, strangled, drowned
and submitted to other bestial tortures," he said.

....I was especially shocked by accounts of priest turned into columns of ice in
winter...But that's not all, there were crucifixions...It was total cruelty.

He said hundreds of people were shot for not giving up church property, and only
a fraction of the proceeds were spent on the poor as the authorities had
promised.

....He said that of the 48,000 churches in Russia before the 1917 revolution,
only 7000 remained by 1969, with destruction of Islamic and Jewish religious
buildings in similar proportion.

"It's a tragic story which has not provoked repentance and which has not been
properly heard," said Mr. Yakovlev.
<END>

Compare the above to what follows:

http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/haskala.cfm
(Link active January 20, 2003)
"A lot of Haskala Jews are ready to give up on Russia. Many channel their
energy into creating a home land of their own. Some Haskala Jews turn to
political revolution. The Russian Revolution of the early 20th century will
overthrow the Czarist government and it will be led by a disproportionate
number of Jews. "

The same text is mirrored at this Jewish web site as well:
http://www.yahrzeit.org/text_link/temple_text4/textpage119.htm

http://www.jewishamerica.com/ja/timeline/desteeur.cfm
"A disproportionate number within the revolutionary movements are Jewish...
Russian Revolutionary movement and it finally succeeds in overthrowing the Czar.
However, it subsequently brings the country into a bitter civil war. The
Communists emerge victorious. Within their ranks are a disproportionate number
of Jews..."

<<The above is from Jewish web sites and they are brave enough to tell truths
many Jews don't want to face. Germans will admit Nazism sprang from among
themselves BUT how many Jews will admit the forefathers and leaders of the
Bolshevik Revolution were primarily Jews? Tavish>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
common enemies" (Universal. Jewish Encyc., Vol. I, p. 336).

Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
Russian Bolshevik party.

In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
824-827).

U.S. Gov't Printing Office House Do***ent 1868
(65th Congress, 3d session- file# 861.00/8029):

Report of the Netherland Minister Relating to the conditions in
Petrograd.

"Whole Soviet government has sunk to the level of a criminal
organisation. Bolsheviks realise that their game is up and have
entered into a career of criminal madness."

"I found it necessary to promise that Litvinov should be allowed to
leave England at once..."

"The foregoing report will indicate the extremely critical nature of
the present situation. The danger is now so great that I feel it is my
duty to call the attention of the British and all other Governments to
the fact that if an end is not put to Bolshevism in Russia at once the
civilisation of the whole world will be threatened...."

"...the danger is also being realised in German and Austrian quarters.
I consider that the immediate suppression of Bolshevism is the
greatest issue now before the world, not even excluding the war which
is still raging, and unless as above stated Bolshevism is nipped in
the bud immediately it is bound to spread in one form or another over
Europe and the whole world as it is organised and worked by Jews who
have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own
ends the existing order of things."
<END>

Need I say more? Tavish ---

"Because there was very little to criticize."
Susan Cohen - January 24, 2001 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&rnum=4&selm=3A6F230F.3AFF4272%40his.com
Message-ID: <3A6F230F.3AFF4272@his.com>


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