steveh

False Messiahs (from http://www.islaam.com)

America, as Edward Said says, is more occupied with religion than any
other nation, and in America there is a totally mad fundamentalist
current that seeks to hasten the second-coming of Christ, and who are
prepared to do the stupidest thing in the world in order to achieve
it.

And what could be stupider than attempting to infiltrate nuclear bases
and dispatch nuclear devastation on the entire world? What more proof
do we need when we have seen them commit mass suicide, and bomb
federal installations, as well as forming militias and troops prepared
for the coming day?

The problem is that they are increasing in number and not decreasing.
They follow no system of logic or reason, but fantasies, visions and
the prompting of devils that they believe to be the Holy Spirit.
Moreover, there are numerous individuals who claim to be Christ, or
that Christ speaks through him, or to him.

Among their beliefs are:


1. The establishment of the state of Israel as a precursor of the
coming of Christ.
2. The peace process delays the promise of God.
3. All of Jerusalem must be under Israeli control.
4. Israel is blessed. Blessed are they who bless it, and cursed are
they who curse it.
5. The Palestinians (and the Arabs in general) are a pagan s***, and
the party of Gog and Magog..
6. The Millennial reign will soon commence, but only after believers
are suddenly caught up into heaven to meet the Lord while all the
pagans are destroyed in the battle of Armageddon.

But these fundamentalists are not monks cloistered away from the world
as they were in the early centuries of Christianity. Rather, they
exercise remarkable influence on society, as well as an effective
media arsenal, and high-level government positions.

The prophecies of the Bible with the addition of fortune-telling and
summoning spirit(s) are the most important of their rituals. Their
political and social theories depend on these prophecies, as does
their interaction with other people.

Secular thinkers in America know that it is nearly impossible to
change the backwards beliefs of these people, since their intellectual
foundation has been totally destroyed, and their psychology is
extremely complex and peculiar. Secular politicians pretend to support
them due to their influence on public opinion, and in the financial
sectors and media. The Arabic media rarely speak about them since they
are preoccupied with their war against Islamic extremists and
terrorists and have no time to discuss these Western extremists who,
as long as they are not Muslims, cannot be terrorists.

They and the Western intellectuals are total opposites, but the
problem is that the moderate bloc is gradually decreasing, and more
people are tending to the fundamentalist camp rather than the secular
grouping, fleeing from the confusion and spiritual drought of modern
culture. For this reason, visionary fundamentalism has penetrated into
all aspects of society and destroyed all barriers.

The forces of destiny seem to have been mobilized for fundamentalist
strife in our age as never before, and doubtlessly there is divine
wisdom behind it. This is due to two cir***stances which have never
combined before:


1. The large Jewish presence in Palestine which has not been seen in
two thousand years. Hal Lindsey says in The Late Great Planet Earth
that before the establishment of the State of Israel none of the
future events were clearly understood, but now that that has occurred,
the countdown has begun for the occurrence of the indicator events
connected to all of the types of prophecy, and on the basis of the
prophecies, the entire world will focus on the middle-east, and
especially Israel in the last days.
2. The advent of the millennium, or more accurately, the year two
thousand, which to them means the beginning of the end of our world,
and the beginning of the coming of the new world, the world of the
millennium of Christ, which is similar to the concept of the hereafter
or paradise to Muslims.

In the commotion of the flood of enthusiasm over the approach of the
millennium, the fundamentalists were activated to a formidable extent
in the last two decades of the twentieth century in every field.
Except that they especially focused on studying and writing, and the
media clamor concerning the Second Coming of Christ and the millennial
reign, in which they hastened to force every current event into their
frightening apocalyptic scenarios, all of which are based on one
assumption: the occurrence of miracles which could not possibly agree
with the logical succession of historical events in any manner.

They discovered that they could not possibly conceive of the
inauguration of Christ's millennial reign in accordance with the
objective conditions of time, place and the present-day political
situation. Therefore, there would have to be a great external
interference to completely overturn the world order. Thus, the easiest
means of realizing it would be a nuclear disaster that would terminate
the present-day civilization, and bring the world back to conditions
more closely resembling the world during Christ's first advent, in
preparation for his second-coming. They found their answer in the
ominous events of Armageddon. Reagan and Nixon both agreed about
destroying the 'Evil Empire' of the Soviet Union because they supposed
that the Russians were Gog and Magog. Then after the Gulf War began,
they decided that Sadam Hussein is the Assyrian, and that Gog and
Magog are the Arabs, or the Arabs and Iranians, and that there is no
escaping nuclear conflict.

After the Oslo agreement they calmed down a bit –rather, they were in
disarray. But when the latest intifadha began they breathed a sigh of
relief, especially since it occurred in the year two thousand. Because
of this many Western intellectuals and scholars are holding their
breath out of fear of one of these madmen venturing some stupid stunt
that would end in an unthinkable catastrophe. Even the Israeli
authorities have been adamant in restricting the entry of these
Christian extremists into Israel, fearing that they would attempt
something of that type. As for the great catastrophe which disturbs
the sleep of observers of the situation, it is the possibility of them
gaining entry into a nuclear facility and lighting a fire which the
world cannot extinguish.

People must understand that the passing of the year two thousand
without incident does not mean the end of these ideas. All they will
do is reexamine their calculations, and Satan will reveal to them a
new mirage to lead them astray, and with which to raise the fears of
the world, and with which they will remain a source of threat to all
of humanity.

Because I am convinced that they lack reason, I believe that it is
necessary for reasonable people to destroy the doctrinal foundation of
their fantasies and error. If the Christians and Jews are unable or
unwilling to do so, it is not possible for us to forsake or neglect it
when we possess the infallible revelation of truth, which Allah would
cause humanity to accept, if we were to present it to the world.

Therefore, confirmation that there is no connection whatsoever between
the existing State of Israel, and the Messiah, and that the second
millennium shall pass as the first with nothing new, is the defense
against their evil, not only for the sake of Muslims, but for all
humanity. This is one of the causes behind the writing of this brief
research. The other cause especially concerns Muslims, which we will
shortly discuss.

Their coreligionists who have doubts about the soundness of their
doctrines need only read the twenty-third and twenty-fourth chapters
of Matthew, especially the discussion of the prophecy of Daniel, and
to carefully contemplate Christ's warning against false Messiahs and
those who spread rumors at the time of the setting up of the
'abomination of desolation' in Jerusalem, then ask themselves who they
believe fit that description, and what their position should be
concerning such people? They will then –we believe- arrive at the
right conclusion, if not, then they need only continue on with us as
we shed complete light on the subject – Allah willing.

dan cannon

Imagine that somebody burns your home. Or ****s your sister. Or poisons your
water. Imagine someone kills your brother, maims your best friend, screw
your wife, blows your mother's head off, etc. Imagine that someone, say,
occupies your country. Maybe the same someone does several of these things,
and more. You'd be furious, wouldn't you?

steveh

False Messiahs (from http://www.islaam.com)

America, as Edward Said says, is more occupied with religion than any
other nation, and in America there is a totally mad fundamentalist
current that seeks to hasten the second-coming of Christ, and who are
prepared to do the stupidest thing in the world in order to achieve
it.

And what could be stupider than attempting to infiltrate nuclear bases
and dispatch nuclear devastation on the entire world? What more proof
do we need when we have seen them commit mass suicide, and bomb
federal installations, as well as forming militias and troops prepared
for the coming day?

The problem is that they are increasing in number and not decreasing.
They follow no system of logic or reason, but fantasies, visions and
the prompting of devils that they believe to be the Holy Spirit.
Moreover, there are numerous individuals who claim to be Christ, or
that Christ speaks through him, or to him.

Among their beliefs are:


1. The establishment of the state of Israel as a precursor of the
coming of Christ.
2. The peace process delays the promise of God.
3. All of Jerusalem must be under Israeli control.
4. Israel is blessed. Blessed are they who bless it, and cursed are
they who curse it.
5. The Palestinians (and the Arabs in general) are a pagan s***, and
the party of Gog and Magog..
6. The Millennial reign will soon commence, but only after believers
are suddenly caught up into heaven to meet the Lord while all the
pagans are destroyed in the battle of Armageddon.

But these fundamentalists are not monks cloistered away from the world
as they were in the early centuries of Christianity. Rather, they
exercise remarkable influence on society, as well as an effective
media arsenal, and high-level government positions.

The prophecies of the Bible with the addition of fortune-telling and
summoning spirit(s) are the most important of their rituals. Their
political and social theories depend on these prophecies, as does
their interaction with other people.

Secular thinkers in America know that it is nearly impossible to
change the backwards beliefs of these people, since their intellectual
foundation has been totally destroyed, and their psychology is
extremely complex and peculiar. Secular politicians pretend to support
them due to their influence on public opinion, and in the financial
sectors and media. The Arabic media rarely speak about them since they
are preoccupied with their war against Islamic extremists and
terrorists and have no time to discuss these Western extremists who,
as long as they are not Muslims, cannot be terrorists.

They and the Western intellectuals are total opposites, but the
problem is that the moderate bloc is gradually decreasing, and more
people are tending to the fundamentalist camp rather than the secular
grouping, fleeing from the confusion and spiritual drought of modern
culture. For this reason, visionary fundamentalism has penetrated into
all aspects of society and destroyed all barriers.

The forces of destiny seem to have been mobilized for fundamentalist
strife in our age as never before, and doubtlessly there is divine
wisdom behind it. This is due to two cir***stances which have never
combined before:


1. The large Jewish presence in Palestine which has not been seen in
two thousand years. Hal Lindsey says in The Late Great Planet Earth
that before the establishment of the State of Israel none of the
future events were clearly understood, but now that that has occurred,
the countdown has begun for the occurrence of the indicator events
connected to all of the types of prophecy, and on the basis of the
prophecies, the entire world will focus on the middle-east, and
especially Israel in the last days.
2. The advent of the millennium, or more accurately, the year two
thousand, which to them means the beginning of the end of our world,
and the beginning of the coming of the new world, the world of the
millennium of Christ, which is similar to the concept of the hereafter
or paradise to Muslims.

In the commotion of the flood of enthusiasm over the approach of the
millennium, the fundamentalists were activated to a formidable extent
in the last two decades of the twentieth century in every field.
Except that they especially focused on studying and writing, and the
media clamor concerning the Second Coming of Christ and the millennial
reign, in which they hastened to force every current event into their
frightening apocalyptic scenarios, all of which are based on one
assumption: the occurrence of miracles which could not possibly agree
with the logical succession of historical events in any manner.

They discovered that they could not possibly conceive of the
inauguration of Christ's millennial reign in accordance with the
objective conditions of time, place and the present-day political
situation. Therefore, there would have to be a great external
interference to completely overturn the world order. Thus, the easiest
means of realizing it would be a nuclear disaster that would terminate
the present-day civilization, and bring the world back to conditions
more closely resembling the world during Christ's first advent, in
preparation for his second-coming. They found their answer in the
ominous events of Armageddon. Reagan and Nixon both agreed about
destroying the 'Evil Empire' of the Soviet Union because they supposed
that the Russians were Gog and Magog. Then after the Gulf War began,
they decided that Sadam Hussein is the Assyrian, and that Gog and
Magog are the Arabs, or the Arabs and Iranians, and that there is no
escaping nuclear conflict.

After the Oslo agreement they calmed down a bit –rather, they were in
disarray. But when the latest intifadha began they breathed a sigh of
relief, especially since it occurred in the year two thousand. Because
of this many Western intellectuals and scholars are holding their
breath out of fear of one of these madmen venturing some stupid stunt
that would end in an unthinkable catastrophe. Even the Israeli
authorities have been adamant in restricting the entry of these
Christian extremists into Israel, fearing that they would attempt
something of that type. As for the great catastrophe which disturbs
the sleep of observers of the situation, it is the possibility of them
gaining entry into a nuclear facility and lighting a fire which the
world cannot extinguish.

People must understand that the passing of the year two thousand
without incident does not mean the end of these ideas. All they will
do is reexamine their calculations, and Satan will reveal to them a
new mirage to lead them astray, and with which to raise the fears of
the world, and with which they will remain a source of threat to all
of humanity.

Because I am convinced that they lack reason, I believe that it is
necessary for reasonable people to destroy the doctrinal foundation of
their fantasies and error. If the Christians and Jews are unable or
unwilling to do so, it is not possible for us to forsake or neglect it
when we possess the infallible revelation of truth, which Allah would
cause humanity to accept, if we were to present it to the world.

Therefore, confirmation that there is no connection whatsoever between
the existing State of Israel, and the Messiah, and that the second
millennium shall pass as the first with nothing new, is the defense
against their evil, not only for the sake of Muslims, but for all
humanity. This is one of the causes behind the writing of this brief
research. The other cause especially concerns Muslims, which we will
shortly discuss.

Their coreligionists who have doubts about the soundness of their
doctrines need only read the twenty-third and twenty-fourth chapters
of Matthew, especially the discussion of the prophecy of Daniel, and
to carefully contemplate Christ's warning against false Messiahs and
those who spread rumors at the time of the setting up of the
'abomination of desolation' in Jerusalem, then ask themselves who they
believe fit that description, and what their position should be
concerning such people? They will then –we believe- arrive at the
right conclusion, if not, then they need only continue on with us as
we shed complete light on the subject – Allah willing.

theovermind

No he didn't, he said America was more concerned with religion than
any other *western* nation. America is highly religious by most
western European standards, but it is still a secular state and
nothing like as concerned with religion as the middle east.

[snip]

Some of the Christian fundamentalists in the USA are as insane as
religious fundies can be, of any religion. There's no doubt about
that.

But here's the thing - the rest of us are *telling* them they're
insane. Who in Pakistan is telling bin Laden and his followers *they*
are insane? I'm not sure how things are in the States these days, but
when I was there last (quite a few years ago, admittedly) the fundies
were the butt of everyone's joke, from Letterman to your local barman.
It's certainly an article of faith in Europe that they are all as mad
as a box of frogs.

We know in places like Iraq that their Islamic fundamentalist
equivalents are also treated as mental patients by the secular middle
classes (see the 'Baghdad Blogger' in the Guardian, UK), but
nevertheless they do seem to have a lot of unwarranted influence. The
discussion in Iraq is about how far the new constitution should
reflect the dominant religious belief; the US constitution is secular.
There's the difference.

That, and a small matter of flying a couple of planes into a
skysc****r, and blowing up a couple of island nightclubs. I haven't
noticed Pat Robertson on the news lately with a bag of fertiliser and
a pack of Semtex.

k.-benoit evans

Here's one exemple of who:

Qazi Hussain Ahmed, the leader of Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan

The Jamaat is an islamist party founded just before the partition of
India, over 50 years ago.

³The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the
events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted
in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives.

"We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the
strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic
norms. This [opinion] is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which
forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy
Qur'an: 'No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another' (Surah
al-Isra 17:15).²

Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt
Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan
Mufti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh
Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia
Fazil Nour, President, PAS - Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia
and 41 other Muslim scholars and politicians

MSANews, September 14, 2001,
http://msanews.mynet.net/MSANEWS/200109/20010917.15.html; Arabic
original in al-Quds al-Arabi (London), September 14, 2001, p. 2,
http://www.alquds.co.uk/Alquds/2001/09Sep/14%20Sep%20Fri/Quds02.pdf

--
Regards,

Abdelkarim Benoit Evans

dan cannon

Coming from Edward Said, Islam-apologist par excellance, that sounds like a
fart in church.

blondes gaulloises

Imagine that somebody burns your home. Or ****s your sister. Or poisons your
water. Imagine someone kills your brother, maims your best friend, screw
your wife, blows your mother's head off, etc. Imagine that someone, say,
occupies your country. Maybe the same someone does several of these things,
and more. You'd be furious, wouldn't you?

dan cannon

Imagine that somebody burns your home. Or ****s your sister. Or poisons your
water. Imagine someone kills your brother, maims your best friend, screw
your wife, blows your mother's head off, etc. Imagine that someone, say,
occupies your country. Maybe the same someone does several of these things,
and more. You'd be furious, wouldn't you?

the department of defense

news:<kevans-8B3445.16345804072003@news.videotron.net>...

Beautiful...just beautiful.... This should be framed .... And that was a
great story about the mosque... if more muslims did this type of thing then
maybe islam might survive and become what they claim it to actually be...a
religion of peace...

steveh

False Messiahs (from http://www.islaam.com)

America, as Edward Said says, is more occupied with religion than any
other nation, and in America there is a totally mad fundamentalist
current that seeks to hasten the second-coming of Christ, and who are
prepared to do the stupidest thing in the world in order to achieve
it.

And what could be stupider than attempting to infiltrate nuclear bases
and dispatch nuclear devastation on the entire world? What more proof
do we need when we have seen them commit mass suicide, and bomb
federal installations, as well as forming militias and troops prepared
for the coming day?

The problem is that they are increasing in number and not decreasing.
They follow no system of logic or reason, but fantasies, visions and
the prompting of devils that they believe to be the Holy Spirit.
Moreover, there are numerous individuals who claim to be Christ, or
that Christ speaks through him, or to him.

Among their beliefs are:


1. The establishment of the state of Israel as a precursor of the
coming of Christ.
2. The peace process delays the promise of God.
3. All of Jerusalem must be under Israeli control.
4. Israel is blessed. Blessed are they who bless it, and cursed are
they who curse it.
5. The Palestinians (and the Arabs in general) are a pagan s***, and
the party of Gog and Magog..
6. The Millennial reign will soon commence, but only after believers
are suddenly caught up into heaven to meet the Lord while all the
pagans are destroyed in the battle of Armageddon.

But these fundamentalists are not monks cloistered away from the world
as they were in the early centuries of Christianity. Rather, they
exercise remarkable influence on society, as well as an effective
media arsenal, and high-level government positions.

The prophecies of the Bible with the addition of fortune-telling and
summoning spirit(s) are the most important of their rituals. Their
political and social theories depend on these prophecies, as does
their interaction with other people.

Secular thinkers in America know that it is nearly impossible to
change the backwards beliefs of these people, since their intellectual
foundation has been totally destroyed, and their psychology is
extremely complex and peculiar. Secular politicians pretend to support
them due to their influence on public opinion, and in the financial
sectors and media. The Arabic media rarely speak about them since they
are preoccupied with their war against Islamic extremists and
terrorists and have no time to discuss these Western extremists who,
as long as they are not Muslims, cannot be terrorists.

They and the Western intellectuals are total opposites, but the
problem is that the moderate bloc is gradually decreasing, and more
people are tending to the fundamentalist camp rather than the secular
grouping, fleeing from the confusion and spiritual drought of modern
culture. For this reason, visionary fundamentalism has penetrated into
all aspects of society and destroyed all barriers.

The forces of destiny seem to have been mobilized for fundamentalist
strife in our age as never before, and doubtlessly there is divine
wisdom behind it. This is due to two cir***stances which have never
combined before:


1. The large Jewish presence in Palestine which has not been seen in
two thousand years. Hal Lindsey says in The Late Great Planet Earth
that before the establishment of the State of Israel none of the
future events were clearly understood, but now that that has occurred,
the countdown has begun for the occurrence of the indicator events
connected to all of the types of prophecy, and on the basis of the
prophecies, the entire world will focus on the middle-east, and
especially Israel in the last days.
2. The advent of the millennium, or more accurately, the year two
thousand, which to them means the beginning of the end of our world,
and the beginning of the coming of the new world, the world of the
millennium of Christ, which is similar to the concept of the hereafter
or paradise to Muslims.

In the commotion of the flood of enthusiasm over the approach of the
millennium, the fundamentalists were activated to a formidable extent
in the last two decades of the twentieth century in every field.
Except that they especially focused on studying and writing, and the
media clamor concerning the Second Coming of Christ and the millennial
reign, in which they hastened to force every current event into their
frightening apocalyptic scenarios, all of which are based on one
assumption: the occurrence of miracles which could not possibly agree
with the logical succession of historical events in any manner.

They discovered that they could not possibly conceive of the
inauguration of Christ's millennial reign in accordance with the
objective conditions of time, place and the present-day political
situation. Therefore, there would have to be a great external
interference to completely overturn the world order. Thus, the easiest
means of realizing it would be a nuclear disaster that would terminate
the present-day civilization, and bring the world back to conditions
more closely resembling the world during Christ's first advent, in
preparation for his second-coming. They found their answer in the
ominous events of Armageddon. Reagan and Nixon both agreed about
destroying the 'Evil Empire' of the Soviet Union because they supposed
that the Russians were Gog and Magog. Then after the Gulf War began,
they decided that Sadam Hussein is the Assyrian, and that Gog and
Magog are the Arabs, or the Arabs and Iranians, and that there is no
escaping nuclear conflict.

After the Oslo agreement they calmed down a bit –rather, they were in
disarray. But when the latest intifadha began they breathed a sigh of
relief, especially since it occurred in the year two thousand. Because
of this many Western intellectuals and scholars are holding their
breath out of fear of one of these madmen venturing some stupid stunt
that would end in an unthinkable catastrophe. Even the Israeli
authorities have been adamant in restricting the entry of these
Christian extremists into Israel, fearing that they would attempt
something of that type. As for the great catastrophe which disturbs
the sleep of observers of the situation, it is the possibility of them
gaining entry into a nuclear facility and lighting a fire which the
world cannot extinguish.

People must understand that the passing of the year two thousand
without incident does not mean the end of these ideas. All they will
do is reexamine their calculations, and Satan will reveal to them a
new mirage to lead them astray, and with which to raise the fears of
the world, and with which they will remain a source of threat to all
of humanity.

Because I am convinced that they lack reason, I believe that it is
necessary for reasonable people to destroy the doctrinal foundation of
their fantasies and error. If the Christians and Jews are unable or
unwilling to do so, it is not possible for us to forsake or neglect it
when we possess the infallible revelation of truth, which Allah would
cause humanity to accept, if we were to present it to the world.

Therefore, confirmation that there is no connection whatsoever between
the existing State of Israel, and the Messiah, and that the second
millennium shall pass as the first with nothing new, is the defense
against their evil, not only for the sake of Muslims, but for all
humanity. This is one of the causes behind the writing of this brief
research. The other cause especially concerns Muslims, which we will
shortly discuss.

Their coreligionists who have doubts about the soundness of their
doctrines need only read the twenty-third and twenty-fourth chapters
of Matthew, especially the discussion of the prophecy of Daniel, and
to carefully contemplate Christ's warning against false Messiahs and
those who spread rumors at the time of the setting up of the
'abomination of desolation' in Jerusalem, then ask themselves who they
believe fit that description, and what their position should be
concerning such people? They will then –we believe- arrive at the
right conclusion, if not, then they need only continue on with us as
we shed complete light on the subject – Allah willing.