theidiotbible

is the only sensable religion
The Hindus were Ayran invaders 3500 years ago , they came from
Summeria, Hindus believe in the Manu and that their religion is
10000 years old , thats a bunch of crap.
The oldest Indian civilization was the Harrapans and they were NOT HINDU
The Caste system came about because the Ayrans subjugated the Indigouness
peoples who had darker skin , and called them the Dalits
Note I am not yet 100% convinced against Hinduism since the only good book I
could find on the subject is the John Keay book "India a History"
I would be grateful for titles of books that disprove Hinduism.
I am almost a atheist , I have sucessfully disproven Christianity, Judaism,
Islam,
And Mysticism, and am moving in that direction with Hinduism.
I would like very much to be able to disprove Hinduism , because once thats
disproven , Jain , and Buddhisim are automatically disproven
Just as if you disprove Judaism , you automatically disprove Christianity,
and Islam, because Judaism is the foundation for Christianity and Islam
If you disprove Hinduisim you automatically knock out Jain and Buddhisim
because Hinduisim is their foundation.
So I would be very grateful for titles of books that disprove Hinduisim
I look forward to becoming a full fledged Atheist, I am almost there now
I would be intrested in books that expose contradictions in the Vedas
and Bhagavad Gita, I also would like books that use archeological evidence to
disprove Hindu legends
Its hard to find in the West cause everyone here only cares about Christianity
No one cares about Hinduisim and thats unfortunate
I think its just as important to disprove Hinduisim as it is to disprove
Christianity

nobody

In regards to Buddhism, I'd like to see your attempts to "disprove" it.
How would you go about disproving someone's personal insight?
Buddhism is simply a method for people to achieve that insight.
I've studied Hinduism a bit, and I understand it's very similar in
that respect. Once you feel the connection with the divine, how
can any outsider "prove" that you don't?
And all those contradictions that you are dredging up don't matter.
The Buddha himself said (in the Kalama Sutta):


How would you go about disproving that?

Christianity is a different story, especially when you talk to
fundamentalists, who rely exclusively on their interpretation
of the bible. They're using logic instead of insight.

As for becoming an atheist, how would you prove that God
does not exist? Using logic, you cannot prove the non-existence
of anything. There is no way to logically prove that Santa Claus
or the Easter Bunny do not exist.
All the atheists I know are very bitter, often angry, unpleasant
people. And nobody listens to them, except each other.
If you truly wish to become an atheist, I sincerely pity you.

But, if you insist, I would advise you to study the religions
you're trying to disprove more closely.
This way, you wouldn't write nonsense like:

batspakthefag

Its just crap floating around in their head
just a bunch of stupid thoughts

Easy there ain't no God , there ain't no
Spirit , its all a bunch of shit , that comes from
that piece of tissue called the human brain
I could go on and on , and have done so in other posts , but in the end I
really don't care
what others believe in so its not worth my time
anymore. If they choose to continue to live
in fear and control under these stupid religions , I really don't care


Man made God

Using logic, you cannot prove the non-existence

Quite the contrary since becoming a Atheist
I have never felt better
I don't want any ****ing afterlife
All religions have conditions attached to them
even in their heavens ,
So why would I want a afterlife?
I would think that being a buddhist
would be very miserable
even if you reach Nirvana , you still have to come back until every living
thing is liberated
thats the Path of the Buddahisattva
and its what the majority of buddhists believe
in , so Nirvana is useless, there is nothing but
rules and regulations and the none of it can even come close to being proven


And nobody listens to them, except each other.

quite the contrary , being a Atheist is great
its wonderful. I always felt trapped
by other religions when I was a member of them, there were always rules to live
by
always things expected of me , always some ****ing thing I had to do for my
soul
some ****ing thing I had to do to devolpe my soul , I would either not be good
enough for heaven or even if I made it I would have to abide by someone elses
rules
some diety's stupid rules. Now that I have disproven all that shit , I feel a
whole lot better
Now that I have gotten that ****ing religious shit out of my head I feel a whole lot better


I have studied them closely and at one time I belonged to each of them , in
fact I have spent
far far far too much time on them already
its been a absolute waste of time.
a absolute absolute ****ing waste of time
And I am not going too waste anymore time on them, they are all shit and
garbage , its even a waste of time to post on these boards against them and
soon I will stop doing that as well
The bottem line is that all religion is man made shit designed to create fear
and control
that is what all religion is about
FEAR AND CONTROL
But in the end I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else believes, if
you want to continue to live in fear and under the power
of control , then so be it, its your problem not mine. I already freeded myself
from this shit
these lousy worthless beliefs
Religion is only about 2 things
Fear and Control , nothing else
no religion is better then atheisim
its the only rational religion
its based on science and research
its based on facts and not the stupid shit that poped into the heads of lice
infested tribesmen 4000 years ago

nobody

All I can say in response, you certainly sound very bitter, angry and unpleasant.
May you find peace. I wish you well.
Good-bye.

batspakthefag

I was bitter angry and unpleasent while I was
trapped in these various stupid religions
now that I have freed myself
now that I have freed my mind
I feel a whole lot better
I feel wonderful
Life is great
its great to be a Atheist


I already have found peace and its
called ATHEISIM

dumboo

its a really nice story, just make appropriate substitution for any other
religion, i dont have time to modify it as per hinduism.

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Really interesting one to read..... slightly long, but worth reading!
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"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus
Christ."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his
class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student says.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!"

He considers for a moment 'Here's one for you.
Let's say there's a sick person over here and you
can cure him. You can do it. Would you
help them? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed

person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student does not answer, so the professor
continues. "He doesn't,
does he? My brother was a Christian who died of
cancer, even though he prayed
to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm?
Can you answer that one?"

The student remains silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes
a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the
student time to relax. "Let's start again,
young fella. Is God good?"

"Er... Yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me,
son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make
everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?"

Again, the student has no answer.

"Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness. All

these terrible things, do they exist in this
world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student does not answer again, so the professor
repeats his question,

"Who created them? "

There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer
breaks
away to pace in front
of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continues. "Do you believe in Jesus
Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks.

"Yes, professor. I do."

The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five

senses you use to identify and observe the world
around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or
smelt your Jesus?
Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus
Christ, or God for that matter.

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable,
demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say
to that, son?"

"Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my
faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the

problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stands quietly for a moment, before
asking
a question of his own.

"Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turns to face the student, obviously
interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The

student begins to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat,
super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or
no
heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'.

We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,

but we can't go any further after that. There is no

such thing as cold; otherwise we
would be able to go colder than -458 degrees.
You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe

the absence of heat.

We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in
thermal units because heat is energy. cold is not the

opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the

classroom, sounding like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor. Is there such a
thing
as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replies without hesitation.

"What is night if it isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something;

it is the absence of something. You can have low
light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light... but if you have no light constantly you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?
That's the meaning we define the word.

In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be

able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

The professor begins to smile at the student in front

of him. This will be a good semester.

"So what point are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical
premise is flawed to start with and so your
conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this
time. "Flawed?
Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the
student explains.

"You argue that there is life and then there's death;

a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the
concept
of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a
thought.

It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never
seen, much less fully understood either one.

To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a
substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life,

just the absence of it. Now tell me, professor. Do
you
teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,

sir?"

The professor begins to shake his head, still
smiling,
as he realizes where the argument is going. A very
good semester indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of
evolution at work and cannot even prove that this
process is an on-going endeavor, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a
scientist, but a preacher?"

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent
until the commotion has subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the

other student, let me give you an example of what I
mean?" The student looks around the room.
"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
professor's brain?"

The class breaks out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
professor's brain, felt the professor's brain,
touched
or smelt the professor's brain?

No one appears to have done so. "So, according to the

established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable

protocol, science says that you have no brain, with
all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no
brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at
the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what

seems an eternity, the old man answers.
"I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

nobody

Good story from a Christian point of view.

But it doesn't apply to Buddhism.
Buddhism specifically warns against getting caught
in logic and certitude.

As for the question of the existence of God,
Buddhism does not directly answer that.
It depends as how you define "God".
If you mean "an old man named 'God', who sits
in a place called 'heaven' and punishes those who
do not obey his commands", a Buddhist would
deny that.
If you mean "that which underlies our existence
and cannot be known or understood or defined",
a Buddhist might agree.

I've actually heard the definition of God as,
"the collection of all physical laws".
Let our young friend try to disprove that!

In general, Buddhists avoid the word "God", because
everybody seems to have an exact definition in
their mind, which they're not willing to let go.

I have spoken to quite a few Hindus, and the
impression I get is that their definition is all over
the place. From the idol-worship of villagers,
to the "undefinable, not subject to understanding" of the rishis

michealjacko777

The PREHISTORIC SHIT IS IN THE GROUND ALL OVER THE WORLD TO PROVE IT, YOU DON'T
HAVE TO SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES
Evolution is a Fact
We came from monkeys


Your argument is based on mental gymnastics
and nothing more
We came from Monkeys
Xians like to say Mr Darwin
You may think your daddy come from a baboon , but mine sure don't
Well the fact is My Daddy and Your Daddy
both come from a baboon