doug freyburger

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> writes:


The weak link in discussion of consciousness is the
definition of consciousness. People claim to be
conscious and therefore are, but that's a crappy
definition. What's needed is a "If it walks like
a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck"
description. Currently most discussion is hand
waving.

When computer programs get to the point they can
emulation human discussion, those computers will
be conscious. Yet who will want to call a machine
conscious?

Hail Agard!
Doug Freyburger

dirk bruere at neopax

Perhaps, but the notion of 'qualia' is fairly well defined and is
certainly intimately tied in with consciousness. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/

Will the machine be talking about its qualia?

FFF
Dirk

rexx magnus

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:07:21 GMT, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax scrawled:

I personally think it'll only be possible to have machines that have
'proper' consciousness once we develop free roving computers (robots, if
you like, though the importance must be on sensory parsing), because
without the ability to trigger physical experiences not much can be
understood.

Take for example, if you have a person born with no sense of sight, touch,
or anything other than hearing. They can speak, but just imagine that all
other sensory inputs other than hearing are completely unwired from the
autonomous system (to rule out physical reactions to things that may not
be translated by the conscious mind).

How do you teach this person a language to begin with? What frames of
reference do they have? How are emotional states triggered to begin with?

This is how a computer is effectively. Without some kind of separate
digital central nervous system that can parse certain types of sensory
data, you can't get the machine to understand the context of anything at
all. Of course, the beauty of a computer is that once sufficient
experience is built up in memory to give a good frame of reference for the
intelligence to be built, it can simply be copied to other machines.

Once that's done, sensory data can be removed as necessary as the
fundaments of the understanding process are already built into a neural
net.

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