kenadian

http://www.geocities.com/kenadian2003/sold_his_soul.htm

Dr Rodney Blackhirst, La Trobe University, Bendigo,
Australia.

Dr Blackhirst lectures in Philosophy & Religious
Studies,specializing in the monotheisms: Biblical
Studies, Medieval Studies and Islam/West relations.

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Dr R. Blackhirst:
denied and falsified the old and the new testaments
-
as well, 'sold his soul' for a mere '30 pieces of
silver'

1998-1999 - Dr R. Blackhirst: spoke exclusively in
defenseof the 'pre-islamic' gospel of barnabas.

but all that changed

however, matthew 26:38, matthew 26:41, luke 22:41-44,
john 17:11-14; galatians 4:22-25; and the book of
hebrews also lends more credence to the gospel of
barnabas AND ISLAM

jesus:
'The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,'
&
'the children of the kingdom shall be cast out'

Matthew 21:42 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye
never read in the scriptures, The stone which the
builders rejected, the same is become the head of the
corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous
in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you,
The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given
to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Matthew 8:11 (KJV) And I say unto you, That many shall
come fromthe east and west, and shall sit down with
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of
eaven.12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast
out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and
gnashing of teeth.

Luke 13:28 (KJV) There shall be weeping and gnashing
of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and
Jacob, and all the prophets, in thekingdom of God, and
you [yourselves] thrust out.

qolon

I thought we adequately responded to your insinuations sometime ago.

- dolf

http://www.geocities.com/kenadian2003/sold-his-soul.htm

Dr Rodney Blackhirst, La Trobe University, Bendigo,
Australia.

Dr Blackhirst lectures in Philosophy & Religious
Studies,specializing in the monotheisms: Biblical
Studies, Medieval Studies and Islam/West relations.

QOLON NOTE:
Before making this response, I've read many of your political comments
and religious based impugnity as your posting history on newsgroups.

If there is some point or supporting reference which I have made in support
of my claims that you object to, then by all means point it out and give an
explanation rather than diatribe of deranged fanaticism.

As it is, the Arch-Angel Gabriel whom the Prophect Muhammed claims to have
received his visions from for many years, appears to be nothing more than a
Kabbalistic notion which is traditionally tied to the use of language (eg.
An occult lore derived from an amalgam of the Egyptian scribal god called
Toth or as the Arch-Angel Toth Tammuz or perhaps the Arch-Angel Seraphis;
Hence the innovative use of the Arabic Script within the Koran gives the
opportunity to simply put a new name to classical objects) as the means for
implementing Systems and Administration of Government [#51, #66, #77, #37 -
Non-Deeming Action/ Administration of Government].

From my reading of biblical associated history the prophet Muhammed didn't
create a new religion, but called people back from their idolatry, claiming
that both the Jews and Christians of the time had perverted the Bible's
teachings--BUT WHAT IS THAT RELIGION HE WAS CALLING THEM BACK TO? As you
can see from the Dead Sea Scroll narrative below, relating to the prophetic
testimony given of the Messiah of Aaron and Israel who is of the seed of
David and its relationship to Mosaic Laws, festival, Sabbath and Covenant,
that it creates a question as to whether the claims of Islam, as a
monotheistic religion are at all legitimate.

Furthermore in my past discussions with Islamic adherents, there is a
tendency for Arabs who are Muslim to make much of a genealogical dependency
on Hagar and Ishmael--Unless you are advocating an elitist heirarchial
culture of Imams by birth, who are sustained by myriads of subserviant
minions, it is a fallacy that the 12 sons of Ishmael as refugees:

#1 - Nabajoth {words; prophecies; buds} / Aleph,
#2 - Kedar {blackness; sorrow} / Beth,
#3 - Adbeel {vapor, or cloud of God} / Gimel,
#4 - Mibsam {smelling sweet} / Daleth,
#5 - Mishma {hearing; obeying} / He,
#6 - Dumah {? Silent; resemulance} / Vav,
#7 - Massa {a burden; prophecy} / Zayin,
#8 - Hadad {joy; noise; clamor}/ Heth,
#9 - Tema {admiration; perfection; consummation} / Teth,
#10 - Jetur {order; succession; mountainous} / Yod,
#11 - Naphish {the soul; he that rests, refreshes himself, or respires} /
Kaf,
#12 - Kedemah {oriental; ancient; first} / Lamed

Could displace the indigenous populations already within the region. It
seems to me that if one can use astrological practices together with the
metaphysical and Kabbalistic notion of Arch-Angels and Angels as the basis
for occult lore (eg. Gabriel as symbollic of an encyclical or linguistic
framework like Toth was the scribe to the Egyptians), that the use of these
genealogical names can simply be deployed as part of that existing
nomenclature.

You also seem to forget that Abraham, by western standards had three wives
and not two, if you count the concubine with whom he had more children than
either to Sarai or Hagar--By the same ****ogy, Keturah {that makes the
incense to fume} is the concubine from whom judgment is born {ie. Medan as
'judgment; process'; Midian as 'judgment; covering; habit'; Zimran as 'song;
singer; vine'; Jokshan as 'an offense; hardness; a knocking'; Ishbak as 'who
is empty or exhausted'; and Shuah as 'ditch; swimming; humiliation' (* not
in order)}.

Within my past discussions with Islamic adherents, there appears to be much
made of the geographic locality where many of the Biblical events took
place, and because these historical events took place in Arabic lands, that
somehow it imbues the present populations there with sanctity.

You also appear to make much of the Hagarism: "Which things are an allegory:
for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which
gendereth to *******, which is Hagar. For this Hagar is mount Sinai in
Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in ******* with her
children--But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all."
[Galatians 4:24-26]

But such proof text reading of the Scriptures ignores that: "we, brethren,
as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to
the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so
it is now. Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? 'Cast out the
bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with
the son of the free woman.' So then brethren, we are not children of the
bondwoman but of the free." [Galations 4:28-31]

It would seem to be utter nonsence to claim that the allegory concerning
Hagar as bondwoman somehow grants her and Muslims a Covenant prerogative
above that of Sarah as the freewoman and Hebrews who are genealogical
connected to her.

To use the example of when John Hyrcanus I burned the Samaritan temple on
Mount Gerizim in 128 BCE and later in 107 BCE he destroyed Shechem {part;
portion; back early in the morning} as the region is today known as Nablus
within the region of Palestine. As far as I can see, his military
incursions resulted in many Idumeans (ancestrally palestinian) also
converting to Judaism. It is not impossible to embraced idolatrous
practices in addition to having a pre-Babylonian exillic regard for the
first 5 books of the Hebrew scriptures--they thought nothing of placing the
pagan deity of Zeus within their temple. Samaria became the melting pot for
anyone who was regarded as an apostate from the stricter forms of Judaism.

The dialogue between the Samaritan woman and Jesus of Nazareth (whom you
believe to be not the Just One as Christ, but a mere prophet--a second
classed one at that!) ought to serve as a reminder that the physicality or
the Hagarisms of Isam as Kabbalistic astrological paganism with its all
encapsulating encyclic/linguistic architecture, conveys no truth to the
claim--We are the real Jews or that there is in anyway the possibility of a
pious anti-semite: "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say,
that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto
her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this
mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not
what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour
cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in
spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a
Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called
Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her,
I that speak unto thee am he." [cf: John 4:20-26]

Finally you make the unfounded and domatic accusation: "you are willfully
qestioning and rejecting the lord god's omnipotence, omnipresence and
omniscience. you are also rejecting and belying your own bible + the god's
covenants and promises. you must be higher than god because you have had the
audacity to question his promise and divine plan for ishmael and hagar."

I raised the point in retort: "I'm simply refuting that King Darius I ['the
Great'] in circa 520BCE and King Artaxerxes I in circa 457BCE who claim to
pursue a monotheistic religion in the idolatrous and planetray worship of
the personage of Ahura Mazda { 'the wise lord'} worship as the main
principle of everything good, the wise creator spirit who revealed himself
in light and fire or Mithra {'contract of friendship'} is superior to the
Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that prevails with
God}."

I imagine that such a comment ought to create a clash of culture as I can't
find any scholarly or archeological discussion which describes exactly how
the Indo-Iranians transitioned into Islam from the Zoroastrian religion
which pervaded the region. And whether its regard for a pantheon of gods,
have simply been replaced by a nomenclature of Arch-Angels and Angels. And
whether therefore, Islam is something other than an attempt to amalgamate,
as Kabbalistic refinement, the Zoroastrian (c. 600 BCE) pathenon under the
personage of Ahura Mazda { 'the wise lord'} worship as the main principle of
everything good, the wise creator spirit who revealed himself in light and
fire or Mithra {'contract of friendship'}. And whether 'Allah' as the
Arabic word for God is any different to the Greek notion of God called
'Theos' which Muslims desperately seek to equate with Lord-YAHWEH
God-'ELOHIYM of Israel.

Ideally if Islam was truly a monotheistic religion with astrological
dependencies as paganism, it ought not to have had any contention with the
Zoroastrian belief as claimed monotheistic astrological paganism.

I look forward to an informed response from you! - dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/meta/cherubim.html#24>
"Kenadian" <kenadian@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:ada3dcb.0404091049.60f2ecd9@posting.google.co m...
navali: you are willfully qestioning and rejecting the lord god's
omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience.

you are also rejecting and belying your own bible + the god's
covenants and promises.

you must be higher than god because you have had the audacity to
question his promise and divine plan for ishmael and hagar.

like i said before you have NO knowledge or understanding of your own
bible save conjectures and false interpretations.

[snipped deranged babble]

forahmad

First of all, I think you need to know the difference between
"Kabala," which is essentially Jewish mysticism, and Jewish Oral
Traditions, which, according to some Jews have precedence over written
traditions. If you do a little study, rather than insult the
intelligence of other people in this newsgroup, you will find out very
quickly that belief in archangel Gabriel is an intrinsic part of
Judaism as well Christianity, mentioned not only in the Book of Daniel
but also numerous times in Talmud.

Toth was an Egyptian god of wisdom, and I simply don't see how he
compares with Gabriel. Tammuz was the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies
and rises again. People have compared him to Jesus, but I am not sure
why anybody would compare him to Gabriel. Serapis was a god of
fertility and of the dead, and, again, I don't see any connection.
Your last statement is so incoherent that I am wondering if you are on drugs.


Again, very incoherent statement. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) was calling
people to Islam_ to the tradition of monotheism which is as old as
mankind itself. He was not calling them to Christianity or Judaism.
Monotheism in Arabia predates even Abraham, the proof of which can be
found in the Bible itself i.e. Abraham meets Melchidedek, who was
called the priest of Most High. In other words, monotheism already
existed when Abraham arrived in Palestine.


"Kedar" also means "mighty," and through him, Prophet Muhammad is
descended. But not all Arabs are children of Ishmael just as not all
Jews are descendants of Isaac.


See above.


It is also nonsense to assume that all Jews are descendants of Isaac.
However, I agree with you that those who use the ****ogy that Sara +
Isaac= Jews and Hagar + Ishmael= Muslims are making a terrible mistake
because many Jews have converted to Islam and not all Jews are
descendants of Isaac. Judaism and Islam are religions, not family
trees.

Do you know what you are trying to write? Either you don't know
English or you are on drugs. So which is it?

qolon

Firstly a comment on what constitutes a monotheistic religion. Ahura Mazda
whilst a eminent principle, doesn't constitute monotheism and an equivalence
to Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that prevails
with God} who is attributed by an autonomous and pre-eminent attribution of
nature, known as the Sabbath (Saturday) which is a deified or transcendent
principle or virtue as rationally a conception of, and co-participation
within an Everalsting Convenant with God-This deification of time differs
from that of the sixth day. In that one deals with the physicality of man
and the spirituality of man.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan expresses this view in his extrapolation of the
Kabbalistic notion of Angels and to which my 9(9²+1)/2 = #396 vMeme/Moment
mathematical, chronological, psychological, autonomous, isonomic and
taxonomical model
<http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4> applies
as a paradigm for hosting belief systems. And that such a move into the
field of transcendental, metaphysical and chronological encyclical knowledge
architectures is from my perspective, bound to realise heretofore unrealised
quantum potential, in people, technology and intelligent values based
solutions: "With all little insight, the difference between the spiritual
and physical is readily apparent. In the physical realm, there is a concept
of physical space; while in the spiritual, this concept is totally absent.
All that exists in the spiritual realm is conceptual space. Two things that
are similar are said to be close, while things that are different are said
to be far from one another. While in the physical world it is possible two
push to different things together, this is impossible in the spiritual
realm.

We see a good example of this in the case of the teachings involving angels.
It is taught that one angel cannot have two missions, while two angels
cannot share the same mission. There's no special concept unifying an angel.
Therefore, if an angel had two missions, by definition it would become two
angels. On the other hand, if two angels had the same mission, there could
be no physical space separating them, and by definition they would be a
single angel.

We now begin to see why a physical world is needed. If only a spiritual
world existed, there would be no way in which two different things could be
brought together. Because they're different, by definition they're
separated, and there would be no physical space in which they could be
"pushed" together.

Spiritual entities, however, can be bound to physical objects, very much as
the soul is bound to the body. The only way, then, in which two different
spiritual entities or forces can be brought together is when they are bound
to the same physical thing, or to two physical things which themselves are
brought together." [Courtesy: Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the
Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained
from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>].

I raised the previous point in retort: "I'm simply refuting that King Darius
I ['the Great'] in circa 520BCE and King Artaxerxes I in circa 457BCE who
claim to pursue a monotheistic religion in the idolatrous and planetray
worship of the personage of Ahura Mazda { 'the wise lord'} worship as the
main principle of everything good, the wise creator spirit who revealed
himself in light and fire or Mithra {'contract of friendship'} is superior
to the Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that
prevails with God}."

Artaxerxes. By contrast, despite the adoption of Arabic script as an
encyclical framework and system of governance and transform an ****phabeic
populace, some of these historical sites have been desecrated and in some
instances the original works removed and an attempt made to replace them
with Arabic Script--Where does this differ from the Taliban's destruction of
statues of Buddha in Afghanistan?

I also said previously, that as you can see from the Dead Sea Scroll
narrative below, relating to the prophetic testimony given of the Messiah of
Aaron and Israel who is of the seed of David and its relationship to Mosaic
Laws, festival, Sabbath and Covenant, that it creates a question as to
whether the claims of Islam, as a
monotheistic religion are at all legitimate. You have failed to distinguish
between Allah as also an eminent principle, by making it distinct from a
transcendent notion such as Ahura Mazda and equivalent to YAHWEH.

That Jesus of Nazareth is the 'Just One, of whom you now have become
the betrayers and murderers,' [Acts 7:52] and who was "a Man attested by God
to the Men of Israel by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through
Him" [Acts 2:22] and in accordance with the "customs which Moses delivered
to Israel." [Acts 6:14] And "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the
Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who
were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him" [Acts 10:38] is not
denied by me.

It is his Torah compliant teachings in recognition of the Sinai covenant of
Moses, in which you don't presently have a part, that continues to separate
you from the Hebrews and Jewish/Gentile Christians of the New Covenant {ie.
in which you engaged in denegation as denial and contradiction and
denigration meaning to sully, defame; to blacken}: "After this I will
return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down;
and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the
residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my
name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God
are all his works from the beginning of the world." [Acts 15:16-18]

"In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and
close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will
build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that
doeth this." [Amos 9:11-12]

"I will exile the tents of your king and the foundation of your images
beyond the tents of Damascus [Amos 5:27] The books of the Law are the tents
of the king, as it says, "I will re-erect the fallen tent of David' [Amos
9:11] The king is the <Leader of> the nation and the 'foundation of your
images' is the books of the prophets whose words Israel despise. The star is
the Interpreter of the Law who comes to Damascus, as it is written, 'A star
has left Jacob, a staff has risen from Israel' [Number 24:17--A Messianic
Prophecy given by Balaam {the ancient of the people; the destruction of the
people}] (For an ****ogy to the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul as designated
by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church
[Acts 9:1-22; 23:11-15]} )"[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent, Geniza B]

However crucifixion as a mode of death was already known to the Yahad Dead
Sea Scroll Community at the time of Alexander Jannaues (103-76 BCE) (ie. a
Flattery-Seeker) who is believed to have crucifiied eight hundred men ('as
it was doen in Israel in former times') for the crime of siding with the
Greek king Demetrius III (95-78 BCE) of Syria when inviting him to invade
Judea in 88 BCE: "But it never fell into the power of the kings of Greece
from Antiochus until the appearance of the rulers of the Kittim (ie.
Romans); but afterwards it will be trampled by the Gentiles..." [4Q169 - A
Commentary on Nahum (a prophecy from 612 BCE)]

If one is to follow the notion of the Book of Time Divisions by Jubilees and
Weeks, which appears a central theological tenet for both the Sectarian
Association and to King David:

"The LORD-YAHWEH gave [King David circa 1040-970 BCE] a brilliant and
discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three thousand six hundred;
songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily perpetual burnt
offering, for all the days of the year, three hundred and sixty-four; {

The Hebrew Calendar Synchronizes as follows:
354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
2 x #369 vMeme/Moment calendar matrix [ie. 9(92+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar
year] = 1092 days

Last total solar eclipse for Millennium on 11 August 1999 + 30 days
Commencement of 1092-day cycle: 354 day [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 days
[Intercalation]

1 Tishri 5760 = 11-12 September 1999 + 385 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5761 = 30 September-1 October 2000 + 353 day lunar year =

Topical year/day solar eclipse on 25 December 2000 + 6 days
2 x 9(92+1)/2 (ie. #369 vMeme/Moment matrix) as 738 days =

1 Tishri 5762 = 18-19 September, 2001 + 354 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5763 = 7-8 September 2002 = 1092 days
Australia's 1st Geodesic total solar eclipse 4 December 2002
Australia's 2nd Geodesic total solar eclipse 25 November 2030

} for the Sabbath offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon
offerings, all the festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs.
[Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocryphal Psalms of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"Therefore let a man take upon himself the oath to return to the Law of
Moses [ie. the Oracles of God [Romans 3:2]], for in it everything is laid in
detail. But the specification of the times during which all Israel is blind
to all these rules is laid out in detail in the 'Book of Time Divisions by
Jubilees and Weeks.' On the day a man promises to return to the Law of Moses
the Angel of Obstruction will leave him, if he keeps His words. That is why
Abraham was cir***cised on the day he gained true knowledge." )"[4Q266-272
The Damascus Do***ent, 16]

It is not difficult to conclude that the cryptic 70 weeks Messianic prophecy
given by the prophet Daniel [Daniel 9:24-27] is dependent upon 7th day
Sabbath (Saturday) based chronology as Time Divisions of Weeks and Jubilees,
that without a consideration for such as intrinsic to the Oracles of God
[Romans 3:2] as a chronological Torah conception--THE 3 TRAPS OF BELIAL AS
'FEAR AND PIT AND SNARE ARE UPON THEE, DWELLER IN THE LAND.' [Isaiah 24:17].

FEAR
Transforming Nature [Thou Shalt not Steal]
- Act of Nature (#5 - Pythagorean Tetragrammation of 'YHWH' as {72J} +
3(3²+1)/2 as 15 Units {2W1D} = {72J2W1D} - 457 BCE) + 2,300 years = 1844 CE
(Baha'Allah) + 36 years [1880 CE] + 120 years = 120J + 120 years or 12 x 10J
+ 120 {2J3W1D} and {120/36 = 3 1/3} years.

#3 = 457BCE (Beginning of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J +
3(3²+1)/2 = 457BCE),
#10 = 33CE (End of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J + 10(10²+1)/2
= 33CE)

PIT
Autonomous Nature [Thou shalt not bear false witness]
- Form of Nature (#6 - 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy in midst of
69th week - 30CE being that 10J = 490 years = 33 CE)

What is not perhaps appreciated, is that Western Society's equilibrium as
democratic autonomy, has by virtue of its Hebrew/Christian religious origins
and tradition, had impressed upon it a certain annual metathetic sequence,
which is sustained by a 369 day chronological/mathematical matrix as the
Merkabah (ie. Kabbalistic) mystical (transcendent/metaphysical) foundation
for a perennial solar/lunar {ie. 9(9²+1)/2 (#369 vMeme/Moment matrix) -
3(3²+1)/2 (#15) = 354 lunar cycle} philosophy uniting reason and faith and
the mechanism for {#51, #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Administration
of Government}.

SNARE
Totality of Nature [Thou shalt not covet]
- Engendering Nature (#7 - Telos Topical year/day solar eclipse Monday
25 December, 2000 + 6 days = 122J3W1D : 6,000 / 666 = 9.009 ... (6
remaining)) ... 9(9² +1)/2 = 369 {52W5D or 9 x 41} days with center #41 Mem
= Thursday, 13-17 September, 2001 [#41, #41, #41, #41 - Playing with
Reversal/ #41, #41. Occurring with a further apogee + 2300 days = 31
December, 2007]

Also the notion of the "smiting my shepherd and the man loyal to Me--so says
God." is even conveyed within the Dead Sea Scrolls as being connect with the
Messiah of Aaron and Israel: "If you strike down the shepherd, the flock
will scatter. The I will turn my power against the little ones. [Zechariah
13:7] But those who give heed to God are the poor of the flock [Zechariah
11:7] they will escape in the time of punishment (ie. 69CE as the
destruction of the Jewish Temple and the Jewish dispersal [Joel 3:6]), but
all the rest will be handed over to the sword when the Messiah of Aaron and
of Israel comes, just as it happened during the time of the first
punichment, as Ezekiel said, 'Make a mark on the foreheads of those who moan
and lament.' [Ezekiel 9:4], but the rest were given to the sword that makes
retaliation for convenant violations."[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent,
Geniza B:19] - dolf
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ba13f877.0405031532.29c0e409@posting.google.c om...


Do you know what you are trying to write? Either you don't know
English or you are on drugs. So which is it?

First of all, I think you need to know the difference between
"Kabala," which is essentially Jewish mysticism, and Jewish Oral
Traditions, which, according to some Jews have precedence over written
traditions. If you do a little study, rather than insult the
intelligence of other people in this newsgroup, you will find out very
quickly that belief in archangel Gabriel is an intrinsic part of
Judaism as well Christianity, mentioned not only in the Book of Daniel
but also numerous times in Talmud.

Toth was an Egyptian god of wisdom, and I simply don't see how he
compares with Gabriel. Tammuz was the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies
and rises again. People have compared him to Jesus, but I am not sure
why anybody would compare him to Gabriel. Serapis was a god of
fertility and of the dead, and, again, I don't see any connection.
Your last statement is so incoherent that I am wondering if you are on
drugs.

"Kedar" also means "mighty," and through him, Prophet Muhammad is
descended. But not all Arabs are children of Ishmael just as not all
Jews are descendants of Isaac.

It is also nonsense to assume that all Jews are descendants of Isaac.
However, I agree with you that those who use the ****ogy that Sara +
Isaac= Jews and Hagar + Ishmael= Muslims are making a terrible mistake
because many Jews have converted to Islam and not all Jews are
descendants of Isaac. Judaism and Islam are religions, not family
trees.

[snipped for context]

qolon

Firstly a comment on what constitutes a monotheistic religion. Ahura Mazda
whilst a eminent principle, doesn't constitute monotheism and an equivalence
to Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that prevails
with God} who is attributed by an autonomous and pre-eminent attribution of
nature, known as the Sabbath (Saturday) which is a deified or transcendent
principle or virtue as rationally a conception of, and co-participation
within an Everalsting Convenant with God-This deification of time differs
from that of the sixth day. In that one deals with the physicality of man
and the other with the spirituality of man.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan expresses this view in his extrapolation of the
Kabbalistic notion of Angels and to which my 9(9²+1)/2 = #396 vMeme/Moment
mathematical, chronological, psychological, autonomous, isonomic and
taxonomical model
<http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4> applies
as a paradigm for hosting belief systems. And that such a move into the
field of transcendental, metaphysical and chronological encyclical knowledge
architectures is from my perspective, bound to realise heretofore unrealised
quantum potential, in people, technology and intelligent values based
solutions: "With a little insight, the difference between the spiritual
and physical is readily apparent. In the physical realm, there is a concept
of physical space; while in the spiritual, this concept is totally absent.
All that exists in the spiritual realm is conceptual space. Two things that
are similar are said to be close, while things that are different are said
to be far from one another. While in the physical world it is possible two
push to different things together, this is impossible in the spiritual
realm.

We see a good example of this in the case of the teachings involving angels.
It is taught that one angel cannot have two missions, while two angels
cannot share the same mission. There's no special concept unifying an angel.
Therefore, if an angel had two missions, by definition it would become two
angels. On the other hand, if two angels had the same mission, there could
be no physical space separating them, and by definition they would be a
single angel.

We now begin to see why a physical world is needed. If only a spiritual
world existed, there would be no way in which two different things could be
brought together. Because they're different, by definition they're
separated, and there would be no physical space in which they could be
"pushed" together.

Spiritual entities, however, can be bound to physical objects, very much as
the soul is bound to the body. The only way, then, in which two different
spiritual entities or forces can be brought together is when they are bound
to the same physical thing, or to two physical things which themselves are
brought together." [Courtesy: Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the
Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained
from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>].

I raised the previous point in retort: "I'm simply refuting that King Darius
I ['the Great'] in circa 520BCE and King Artaxerxes I in circa 457BCE who
claim to pursue a monotheistic religion in the idolatrous and planetray
worship of the personage of Ahura Mazda { 'the wise lord'} worship as the
main principle of everything good, the wise creator spirit who revealed
himself in light and fire or Mithra {'contract of friendship'} is superior
to the Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that
prevails with God}."

Artaxerxes. By contrast, despite the adoption of Arabic script as an
encyclical framework and system of governance and transformation of an
****phabetic populace, some of these historical sites have been desecrated
and in some instances the original works removed and an attempt made to
replace them with Arabic Script--Where does this differ from the Taliban's
destruction of statues of Buddha in Afghanistan?

I also said previously, that as you can see from the Dead Sea Scroll
narrative below, relating to the prophetic testimony given of the Messiah of
Aaron and Israel who is of the seed of David and its relationship to Mosaic
Laws, festival, Sabbath and Covenant, that it creates a question as to
whether the claims of Islam, as a
monotheistic religion are at all legitimate. You have failed to distinguish
between Allah as also an eminent principle, by making it distinct from a
transcendent notion such as Ahura Mazda and equivalent to YAHWEH.

That Jesus of Nazareth is the 'Just One, of whom you now have become
the betrayers and murderers,' [Acts 7:52] and who was "a Man attested by God
to the Men of Israel by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through
Him" [Acts 2:22] and in accordance with the "customs which Moses delivered
to Israel." [Acts 6:14] And "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the
Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who
were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him" [Acts 10:38] is not
denied by me.

It is his Torah compliant teachings in recognition of the Sinai covenant of
Moses, in which you don't presently have a part, that continues to separate
you from the Hebrews and Jewish/Gentile Christians of the New Covenant {ie.
in which you engaged in denegation as denial and contradiction and
denigration meaning to sully, defame; to blacken}: "After this I will
return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down;
and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the
residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my
name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God
are all his works from the beginning of the world." [Acts 15:16-18]

"In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and
close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will
build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that
doeth this." [Amos 9:11-12]

"I will exile the tents of your king and the foundation of your images
beyond the tents of Damascus [Amos 5:27] The books of the Law are the tents
of the king, as it says, "I will re-erect the fallen tent of David' [Amos
9:11] The king is the <Leader of> the nation and the 'foundation of your
images' is the books of the prophets whose words Israel despise. The star is
the Interpreter of the Law who comes to Damascus, as it is written, 'A star
has left Jacob, a staff has risen from Israel' [Number 24:17--A Messianic
Prophecy given by Balaam {the ancient of the people; the destruction of the
people}] (For an ****ogy to the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul as designated
by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church
[Acts 9:1-22; 23:11-15]} )"[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent, Geniza B]

However crucifixion as a mode of death was already known to the Yahad Dead
Sea Scroll Community at the time of Alexander Jannaues (103-76 BCE) (ie. a
Flattery-Seeker) who is believed to have crucifiied eight hundred men ('as
it was doen in Israel in former times') for the crime of siding with the
Greek king Demetrius III (95-78 BCE) of Syria when inviting him to invade
Judea in 88 BCE: "But it never fell into the power of the kings of Greece
from Antiochus until the appearance of the rulers of the Kittim (ie.
Romans); but afterwards it will be trampled by the Gentiles..." [4Q169 - A
Commentary on Nahum (a prophecy from 612 BCE)]

If one is to follow the notion of the Book of Time Divisions by Jubilees and
Weeks, which appears a central theological tenet for both the Sectarian
Association and to King David:

"The LORD-YAHWEH gave [King David circa 1040-970 BCE] a brilliant and
discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three thousand six hundred;
songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily perpetual burnt
offering, for all the days of the year, three hundred and sixty-four; {

The Hebrew Calendar Synchronizes as follows:
354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
2 x #369 vMeme/Moment calendar matrix [ie. 9(92+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar
year] = 1092 days

Last total solar eclipse for Millennium on 11 August 1999 + 30 days
Commencement of 1092-day cycle: 354 day [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 days
[Intercalation]

1 Tishri 5760 = 11-12 September 1999 + 385 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5761 = 30 September-1 October 2000 + 353 day lunar year =

Topical year/day solar eclipse on 25 December 2000 + 6 days
2 x 9(92+1)/2 (ie. #369 vMeme/Moment matrix) as 738 days =

1 Tishri 5762 = 18-19 September, 2001 + 354 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5763 = 7-8 September 2002 = 1092 days
Australia's 1st Geodesic total solar eclipse 4 December 2002
Australia's 2nd Geodesic total solar eclipse 25 November 2030

} for the Sabbath offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon
offerings, all the festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs.
[Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocryphal Psalms of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"Therefore let a man take upon himself the oath to return to the Law of
Moses [ie. the Oracles of God [Romans 3:2]], for in it everything is laid in
detail. But the specification of the times during which all Israel is blind
to all these rules is laid out in detail in the 'Book of Time Divisions by
Jubilees and Weeks.' On the day a man promises to return to the Law of Moses
the Angel of Obstruction will leave him, if he keeps His words. That is why
Abraham was cir***cised on the day he gained true knowledge." )"[4Q266-272
The Damascus Do***ent, 16]

It is not difficult to conclude that the cryptic 70 weeks Messianic prophecy
given by the prophet Daniel [Daniel 9:24-27] is dependent upon 7th day
Sabbath (Saturday) based chronology as Time Divisions of Weeks and Jubilees,
that without a consideration for such as intrinsic to the Oracles of God
[Romans 3:2] as a chronological Torah conception--THE 3 TRAPS OF BELIAL AS
'FEAR AND PIT AND SNARE ARE UPON THEE, DWELLER IN THE LAND.' [Isaiah 24:17].

FEAR
Transforming Nature [Thou Shalt not Steal]
- Act of Nature (#5 - Pythagorean Tetragrammation of 'YHWH' as {72J} +
3(3²+1)/2 as 15 Units {2W1D} = {72J2W1D} - 457 BCE) + 2,300 years = 1844 CE
(Baha'Allah) + 36 years [1880 CE] + 120 years = 120J + 120 years or 12 x 10J
+ 120 {2J3W1D} and {120/36 = 3 1/3} years.

#3 = 457BCE (Beginning of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J +
3(3²+1)/2 = 457BCE),
#10 = 33CE (End of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J + 10(10²+1)/2
= 33CE)

PIT
Autonomous Nature [Thou shalt not bear false witness]
- Form of Nature (#6 - 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy in midst of
69th week - 30CE being that 10J = 490 years = 33 CE)

What is not perhaps appreciated, is that Western Society's equilibrium as
democratic autonomy, has by virtue of its Hebrew/Christian religious origins
and tradition, had impressed upon it a certain annual metathetic sequence,
which is sustained by a 369 day chronological/mathematical matrix as the
Merkabah (ie. Kabbalistic) mystical (transcendent/metaphysical) foundation
for a perennial solar/lunar {ie. 9(9²+1)/2 (#369 vMeme/Moment matrix) -
3(3²+1)/2 (#15) = 354 lunar cycle} philosophy uniting reason and faith and
the mechanism for {#51, #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Administration
of Government}.

SNARE
Totality of Nature [Thou shalt not covet]
- Engendering Nature (#7 - Telos Topical year/day solar eclipse Monday
25 December, 2000 + 6 days = 122J3W1D : 6,000 / 666 = 9.009 ... (6
remaining)) ... 9(9² +1)/2 = 369 {52W5D or 9 x 41} days with center #41 Mem
= Thursday, 13-17 September, 2001 [#41, #41, #41, #41 - Playing with
Reversal/ #41, #41. Occurring with a further apogee + 2300 days = 31
December, 2007]

Also the notion of the "smiting my shepherd and the man loyal to Me--so says
God." is even conveyed within the Dead Sea Scrolls as being connect with the
Messiah of Aaron and Israel: "If you strike down the shepherd, the flock
will scatter. The I will turn my power against the little ones. [Zechariah
13:7] But those who give heed to God are the poor of the flock [Zechariah
11:7] they will escape in the time of punishment (ie. 69CE as the
destruction of the Jewish Temple and the Jewish dispersal [Joel 3:6]), but
all the rest will be handed over to the sword when the Messiah of Aaron and
of Israel comes, just as it happened during the time of the first
punichment, as Ezekiel said, 'Make a mark on the foreheads of those who moan
and lament.' [Ezekiel 9:4], but the rest were given to the sword that makes
retaliation for convenant violations."[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent,
Geniza B:19] - dolf
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ba13f877.0405031532.29c0e409@posting.google.c om...


Do you know what you are trying to write? Either you don't know
English or you are on drugs. So which is it?

First of all, I think you need to know the difference between
"Kabala," which is essentially Jewish mysticism, and Jewish Oral
Traditions, which, according to some Jews have precedence over written
traditions. If you do a little study, rather than insult the
intelligence of other people in this newsgroup, you will find out very
quickly that belief in archangel Gabriel is an intrinsic part of
Judaism as well Christianity, mentioned not only in the Book of Daniel
but also numerous times in Talmud.

Toth was an Egyptian god of wisdom, and I simply don't see how he
compares with Gabriel. Tammuz was the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies
and rises again. People have compared him to Jesus, but I am not sure
why anybody would compare him to Gabriel. Serapis was a god of
fertility and of the dead, and, again, I don't see any connection.
Your last statement is so incoherent that I am wondering if you are on
drugs.

"Kedar" also means "mighty," and through him, Prophet Muhammad is
descended. But not all Arabs are children of Ishmael just as not all
Jews are descendants of Isaac.

It is also nonsense to assume that all Jews are descendants of Isaac.
However, I agree with you that those who use the ****ogy that Sara +
Isaac= Jews and Hagar + Ishmael= Muslims are making a terrible mistake
because many Jews have converted to Islam and not all Jews are
descendants of Isaac. Judaism and Islam are religions, not family
trees.

[snipped for context]

qolon

Just a final comment, I have included a cut and paste from my previous post,
because you have failed to answer them adequately on previous occasions.
And there would appear to be little merit in engaging in further evangelism
of aus.religion.christian unless you do.

Some further adjustments to typographical errors within those comments have
been made in this re-post--my apologies for the inconvenience.

Firstly a comment on what constitutes a monotheistic religion. Ahura Mazda
whilst a eminent principle, doesn't constitute monotheism and an equivalence
to Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that prevails
with God} who is attributed by an autonomous and pre-eminent attribution of
nature, known as the Sabbath (Saturday) which is a deified or transcendent
principle or virtue as rationally a conception of, and co-participation
within an Everalsting Convenant with God-This deification of time differs
from that of the sixth day. In that one deals with the physicality of man
and the other with the spirituality of man.

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan expresses this view in his extrapolation of the
Kabbalistic notion of Angels and to which my 9(9²+1)/2 = #396 vMeme/Moment
mathematical, chronological, psychological, autonomous, isonomic and
taxonomical model
<http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/patent.html#AXIOM4> applies
as a paradigm for hosting belief systems. And that such a move into the
field of transcendental, metaphysical and chronological encyclical knowledge
architectures is from my perspective, bound to realise heretofore unrealised
quantum potential, in people, technology and intelligent values based
solutions.

"With a little insight, the difference between the spiritual and physical is
readily apparent. In the physical realm, there is a concept of physical
space; while in the spiritual, this concept is totally absent. All that
exists in the spiritual realm is conceptual space. Two things that are
similar are said to be close, while things that are different are said to be
far from one another. While in the physical world it is possible to push two
different things together, this is impossible in the spiritual realm.

We see a good example of this in the case of the teachings involving angels.
It is taught that one angel cannot have two missions, while two angels
cannot share the same mission. There's no special concept unifying an angel.
Therefore, if an angel had two missions, by definition it would become two
angels. On the other hand, if two angels had the same mission, there could
be no physical space separating them, and by definition they would be a
single angel.

We now begin to see why a physical world is needed. If only a spiritual
world existed, there would be no way in which two different things could be
brought together. Because they're different, by definition they're
separated, and there would be no physical space in which they could be
"pushed" together.

Spiritual entities, however, can be bound to physical objects, very much as
the soul is bound to the body. The only way, then, in which two different
spiritual entities or forces can be brought together is when they are bound
to the same physical thing, or to two physical things which themselves are
brought together." [Courtesy: Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the
Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained
from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>].

I raised the previous point in retort: "I'm simply refuting that King Darius
I ['the Great'] in circa 520BCE and King Artaxerxes I in circa 457BCE who
claim to pursue a monotheistic religion in the idolatrous and planetray
worship of the personage of Ahura Mazda { 'the wise lord'} worship as the
main principle of everything good, the wise creator spirit who revealed
himself in light and fire or Mithra {'contract of friendship'} is superior
to the Lord-YAHWEH God-'ELOHIYM of Israel {He that sees God; He that
prevails with God}."

Artaxerxes. By contrast, despite the adoption of Arabic script as an
encyclical framework and system of governance and transformation of an
****phabetic populace, some of these historical sites have been desecrated
and in some instances the original works removed and an attempt made to
replace them with Arabic Script--Where does this differ from the Taliban's
destruction of statues of Buddha in Afghanistan?

I also said previously, that as you can see from the Dead Sea Scroll
narrative below, relating to the prophetic testimony given of the Messiah of
Aaron and Israel who is of the seed of David and its relationship to Mosaic
Laws, festival, Sabbath and Covenant, that it creates a question as to
whether the claims of Islam, as a monotheistic religion are at all
legitimate. You have failed to distinguish between Allah as also an eminent
principle, by making it distinct from a transcendent notion such as Ahura
Mazda and equivalent to YAHWEH.

That Jesus of Nazareth is the 'Just One, of whom you now have become
the betrayers and murderers,' [Acts 7:52] and who was "a Man attested by God
to the Men of Israel by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through
Him" [Acts 2:22] and in accordance with the "customs which Moses delivered
to Israel." [Acts 6:14] And "how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the
Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who
were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him" [Acts 10:38] is not
denied by me.

It is his Torah compliant teachings in recognition of the Sinai covenant of
Moses, in which you don't presently have a part, that continues to separate
you from the Hebrews and Jewish/Gentile Christians of the New Covenant {ie.
in which you engaged in denegation as denial and contradiction and
denigration meaning to sully, defame; to blacken}: "After this I will
return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down;
and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the
residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my
name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God
are all his works from the beginning of the world." [Acts 15:16-18]

"In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and
close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will
build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom,
and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that
doeth this." [Amos 9:11-12]

"I will exile the tents of your king and the foundation of your images
beyond the tents of Damascus [Amos 5:27] The books of the Law are the tents
of the king, as it says, "I will re-erect the fallen tent of David' [Amos
9:11] The king is the <Leader of> the nation and the 'foundation of your
images' is the books of the prophets whose words Israel despise. The star is
the Interpreter of the Law who comes to Damascus, as it is written, 'A star
has left Jacob, a staff has risen from Israel' [Number 24:17--A Messianic
Prophecy given by Balaam {the ancient of the people; the destruction of the
people}] (For an ****ogy to the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul as designated
by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church
[Acts 9:1-22; 23:11-15]} )"[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent, Geniza B]

If one is to follow the notion of the Book of Time Divisions by Jubilees and
Weeks, which appears a central theological tenet for both the Sectarian
Association and to King David:

"The LORD-YAHWEH gave [King David circa 1040-970 BCE] a brilliant and
discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three thousand six hundred;
songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily perpetual burnt
offering, for all the days of the year, three hundred and sixty-four; {

The Hebrew Calendar Synchronizes as follows:
354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
2 x #369 vMeme/Moment calendar matrix [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar
year] = 1092 days

Last total solar eclipse for Millennium on 11 August 1999 + 30 days
Commencement of 1092-day cycle: 354 day [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 days
[Intercalation]

1 Tishri 5760 = 11-12 September 1999 + 385 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5761 = 30 September-1 October 2000 + 353 day lunar year =

Topical year/day solar eclipse on 25 December 2000 + 6 days
2 x 9(9²+1)/2 (ie. #369 vMeme/Moment matrix) as 738 days =

1 Tishri 5762 = 18-19 September, 2001 + 354 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5763 = 7-8 September 2002 = 1092 days
Australia's 1st Geodesic total solar eclipse 4 December 2002
Australia's 2nd Geodesic total solar eclipse 25 November 2030

} for the Sabbath offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon
offerings, all the festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs.
[Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocryphal Psalms of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"Therefore let a man take upon himself the oath to return to the Law of
Moses [ie. the Oracles of God [Romans 3:2]], for in it everything is laid in
detail. But the specification of the times during which all Israel is blind
to all these rules is laid out in detail in the 'Book of Time Divisions by
Jubilees and Weeks.' On the day a man promises to return to the Law of Moses
the Angel of Obstruction will leave him, if he keeps His words. That is why
Abraham was cir***cised on the day he gained true knowledge." )"[4Q266-272
The Damascus Do***ent, 16]

It is not difficult to conclude that the cryptic 70 weeks Messianic prophecy
given by the prophet Daniel [Daniel 9:24-27] is dependent upon 7th day
Sabbath (Saturday) based chronology as Time Divisions of Weeks and Jubilees,
that without a consideration for such as intrinsic to the Oracles of God
[Romans 3:2] as a chronological Torah conception--THE 3 TRAPS OF BELIAL AS
'FEAR AND PIT AND SNARE ARE UPON THEE, DWELLER IN THE LAND.' [Isaiah 24:17].

FEAR
Transforming Nature [Thou Shalt not Steal]
- Act of Nature (#5 - Pythagorean Tetragrammation of 'YHWH' as {72J} +
3(3²+1)/2 as 15 Units {2W1D} = {72J2W1D} - 457 BCE) + 2,300 years = 1844 CE
(Baha'Allah) + 36 years [1880 CE] + 120 years = 120J + 120 years or 12 x 10J
+ 120 {2J3W1D} and {120/36 = 3 1/3} years.

#3 = 457BCE (Beginning of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J +
3(3²+1)/2 = 457BCE),
#10 = 33CE (End of 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy as 72J + 10(10²+1)/2
= 33CE)

PIT
Autonomous Nature [Thou shalt not bear false witness]
- Form of Nature (#6 - 70 weeks cryptic Messianic prophecy in midst of
69th week - 30CE being that 10J = 490 years = 33 CE)

What is not perhaps appreciated, is that Western Society's equilibrium as
democratic autonomy, has by virtue of its Hebrew/Christian religious origins
and tradition, had impressed upon it a certain annual metathetic sequence,
which is sustained by a 369 day chronological/mathematical matrix as the
Merkabah (ie. Kabbalistic) mystical (transcendent/metaphysical) foundation
for a perennial solar/lunar {ie. 9(9²+1)/2 (#369 vMeme/Moment matrix) -
3(3²+1)/2 (#15) = 354 lunar cycle} philosophy uniting reason and faith and
the mechanism for {#51, #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Administration
of Government}.

SNARE
Totality of Nature [Thou shalt not covet]
- Engendering Nature (#7 - Telos Topical year/day solar eclipse Monday
25 December, 2000 + 6 days = 122J3W1D : 6,000 / 666 = 9.009 ... (6
remaining)) ... 9(9² +1)/2 = 369 {52W5D or 9 x 41} days with center #41 Mem
= Thursday, 13-17 September, 2001 [#41, #41, #41, #41 - Playing with
Reversal/ #41, #41. Occurring with a further apogee + 2300 days = 31
December, 2007]

Also the notion of the "smiting my shepherd and the man loyal to Me--so says
God." is even conveyed within the Dead Sea Scrolls as being connected with
the Messiah of Aaron and Israel: "If you strike down the shepherd, the
flock will scatter. The I will turn my power against the little ones.
[Zechariah 13:7] But those who give heed to God are the poor of the flock
[Zechariah 11:7] they will escape in the time of punishment (ie. 70CE as the
destruction of the Jewish Temple and the Jewish dispersal [Joel 3:6]), but
all the rest will be handed over to the sword when the Messiah of Aaron and
of Israel comes, just as it happened during the time of the first
punishment, as Ezekiel said, 'Make a mark on the foreheads of those who moan
and lament.' [Ezekiel 9:4], but the rest were given to the sword that makes
retaliation for convenant violations."[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent,
Geniza B:19]

However crucifixion as a mode of death was already known to the Yahad Dead
Sea Scroll Community at the time of Alexander Jannaues (103-76 BCE) (ie. a
Flattery-Seeker) who is believed to have crucifiied eight hundred men ('as
it was done in Israel in former times') for the crime of siding with the
Greek king Demetrius III (95-78 BCE) of Syria when inviting him to invade
Judea in 88 BCE: "But it never fell into the power of the kings of Greece
from Antiochus until the appearance of the rulers of the Kittim (ie.
Romans); but afterwards it will be trampled by the Gentiles..." [4Q169 - A
Commentary on Nahum (a prophecy from 612 BCE)] - dolf
"1MAN4ALL" <forahmad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ba13f877.0405031532.29c0e409@posting.google.c om...


Do you know what you are trying to write? Either you don't know
English or you are on drugs. So which is it?

First of all, I think you need to know the difference between
"Kabala," which is essentially Jewish mysticism, and Jewish Oral
Traditions, which, according to some Jews have precedence over written
traditions. If you do a little study, rather than insult the
intelligence of other people in this newsgroup, you will find out very
quickly that belief in archangel Gabriel is an intrinsic part of
Judaism as well Christianity, mentioned not only in the Book of Daniel
but also numerous times in Talmud.

Toth was an Egyptian god of wisdom, and I simply don't see how he
compares with Gabriel. Tammuz was the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies
and rises again. People have compared him to Jesus, but I am not sure
why anybody would compare him to Gabriel. Serapis was a god of
fertility and of the dead, and, again, I don't see any connection.
Your last statement is so incoherent that I am wondering if you are on
drugs.

"Kedar" also means "mighty," and through him, Prophet Muhammad is
descended. But not all Arabs are children of Ishmael just as not all
Jews are descendants of Isaac.

It is also nonsense to assume that all Jews are descendants of Isaac.
However, I agree with you that those who use the ****ogy that Sara +
Isaac= Jews and Hagar + Ishmael= Muslims are making a terrible mistake
because many Jews have converted to Islam and not all Jews are
descendants of Isaac. Judaism and Islam are religions, not family
trees.

[snipped for context]

forahmad

LOL. This makes as much sense as justifications for accepting the
"reality" of Israeli settlements.

qolon

LOL. This makes as much sense as justifications for accepting the
"reality" of Israeli settlements.

QOLON NOTE:
For the public record then, I note that you wont engage in appropriate
dialog on these religious subjects as accountability for the religious SPAM
you continue to disseminate, which allows your absolute and yet insubsantial
claim to religious belief to be appropriately examined. I note there have
been several solar and lunar eclipses of late, which are chronologically a
principle of absolute negation against your alternate lunar based religious
practices.

I have yet to meet a Muslim who will give an answer that isn't mythical.

This is in contrast to the speed with which you will reach for your swords
and take the life of the other. {ie. in which you engaged in denegation as
denial and contradiction and denigration meaning to sully, defame; to
blacken}

By all objective measures, the question of the intrinsic connection between
the Christian Gospel as being undeniably Jewish in its origins and its
association with the tabernacle of David, remains unanswered by you--You
have simply stolen the religious writings of other peoples and adopted them
as your own. {

eg. the resurrection of the dead (ie. errant belief as the practice derived
from astological magic/mysticism: "Many of those who had practiced magic
brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all." [Acts
19:19]

"But Elymas [a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was
Bar-Jesus] the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them,
seeking to turn the proconsul [Sergius {net} Paulus] away from the faith.
Then Saul {demanded; lent; ditch; death}, who also is called Paul {small;
little} filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him and said, 'O
full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all
righteousness, will you not cease from perverting the straight ways of the
Lord?" [Acts 13:8-10]

} You ought therefore to not post any further to alt.religion.christians
until you can account for the consistency of this tennet of religious belief
of circa [1040-970 BCE] which is found in the Old Testament Prophets, The
New Testament and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

"After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David
{well beloved; dear}, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins
thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the
Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who
doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning
of the world." [Acts 15:16-18]

In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and
close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will
build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom
{red, earthy; of blood}, and of all the heathen, which are called by my
name, saith the LORD that doeth this." [Amos 9:11-12]

"I will exile the tents of your king and the foundation of your images
beyond the tents of Damascus {a sack full of blood; the similitude of
burning} [Amos 5:27] The books of the Law are the tents
of the king, as it says, "I will re-erect the fallen tent of David' [Amos
9:11] The king is the <Leader of> the nation and the 'foundation of your
images' is the books of the prophets whose words Israel despise. The star is
the Interpreter of the Law who comes to Damascus, as it is written, 'A star
has left Jacob, a staff has risen from Israel' [Number 24:17--A Messianic
Prophecy given by Balaam {the ancient of the people; the destruction of the
people}] (For an ****ogy to the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul as designated
by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church
[Acts 9:1-22; 23:11-15]} )"[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent, Geniza B]

"The LORD-YAHWEH gave [King David circa 1040-970 BCE] a brilliant and
discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three thousand six hundred;
songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily perpetual burnt
offering, for all the days of the year, three hundred and sixty-four; {

The Hebrew Calendar Synchronizes as follows:
354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
2 x #369 vMeme/Moment calendar matrix [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar
year] = 1092 days

Last total solar eclipse for Millennium on 11 August 1999 + 30 days
Commencement of 1092-day cycle: 354 day [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 days
[Intercalation]

1 Tishri 5760 = 11-12 September 1999 + 385 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5761 = 30 September-1 October 2000 + 353 day lunar year =

Topical year/day solar eclipse on 25 December 2000 + 6 days
2 x 9(9²+1)/2 (ie. #369 vMeme/Moment matrix) as 738 days =

1 Tishri 5762 = 18-19 September, 2001 + 354 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5763 = 7-8 September 2002 = 1092 days
Australia's 1st Geodesic total solar eclipse 4 December 2002
Australia's 2nd Geodesic total solar eclipse 25 November 2030

} for the Sabbath offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon
offerings, all the festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs.
[Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocryphal Psalms of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"This again brings us to the location of the Foundation Stone, the focus of
all spiritual forces. It was set on the crossroads of civilization, so that
all peoples should interact with these forces, and throughout history be
influenced by them. In this manner, all mankind is gradually elevated by
these forces, paving the way for the ultimate rectification of the world.
This will be realized in the Messianic Age, when Jerusalem becomes a center
for God's teaching for all mankind, [as Isaiah the prophet said]: 'Out of
Zion shall come forth the Torah, and God's word from Jerusalem.'" [Courtesy:
Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the
Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained
from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>]. - dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/vkabbalah.html>

qolon

"Then the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no justice. He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor; Therefore his own arm brought salvation for him; And his own righteousness, it sustained him. For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on his head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak.

According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompense to his enemies; The coastlands he will fully repay. So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun; When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will lift up a standard against him. The Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from transgression in Jacob {that supplants, undermines; the heel}.' Says the LORD. [Romans 11:11-27]

As for me,' says the LORD-YAHWEH, 'this is my covenant with them: My Spirit who is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, shall not depart from your mouth, not from the mouth of your descendents, nor from the mouth of your descendents' descendents,' says the LORD, 'from this time and for evermore.'" [Isaiah 59:21]

Just a further comment on the veractiy on two of your comments presumably made by you under an alias where you make a comment on Toth as the Egyptian god of Wisdom, Tammuz as the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies and rises again and Seraphis as the god of fertility and of the dead and that you claim it bears no association to the Daemon / Angel Gabriel whom the prophet Mohammed claims to have had personal discourse with over a number of years--the result being the Koran.
"First of all, I think you need to know the difference between 'Kabala,' which is essentially Jewish mysticism, and Jewish Oral Traditions, which, according to some Jews have precedence over written traditions. If you do a little study, rather than insult the intelligence of other people in this newsgroup, you will find out very quickly that belief in archangel Gabriel is an intrinsic part of Judaism as well Christianity, mentioned not only in the Book of Daniel but also numerous times in Talmud." ["KENADIAN" <kenadian@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:2Filc.47697$1x7.29182@nntp-post.primus.ca...]

Recalling for a moment Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan's interpretation of Angels (ie. note this celestial hierarchy {ie. Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principlaties, Arch-Angels and Angels} is the genre of the Scriptures beginning with the usage of Cherubim in [Genesis 3:24]} "We see a good example of this in the case of the teachings involving angels. It is taught that one angel cannot have two missions, while two angels cannot share the same mission. There's no special concept unifying an angel. Therefore, if an angel had two missions, by definition it would become two angels. On the other hand, if two angels had the same mission, there could be no physical space separating them, and by definition they would be a single angel.

We now begin to see why a physical world is needed. If only a spiritual world existed, there would be no way in which two different things could be brought together [except through subscribing to them an isopsephic or summed (Sigma) numerically determined character]. Because they're different, by definition they're separated, and there would be no physical space in which they could be "pushed" together.
Spiritual entities, however, can be bound to physical objects, very much as the soul is bound to the body. The only way, then, in which two different spiritual entities or forces can be brought together is when they are bound to the same physical thing, or to two physical things which themselves are brought together." [Courtesy: Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>].

Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan does suggest that within the first century as the early Tamudic period, the Jews certainly engaged in the mystical arts, making use of a number of meditative techniques to attain spiritual elevation and ascend the transcendent realm.

However with the close of the Talmudic period, these methods became restricted to a few very small closed secret societies and it was only until the late 12-13th centuries that individuals began to reveal them and openly teach the secret methods. Rabbi Kaplan goes on to suggest that the most remarkable among these was Rabbi Abraham Abulafia (1240-1295 CE). Who received the tradition from earlier sources and was considered the first to put them in writing.

It was Rabbi Joseph Tzayach (1505-1573 CE) who seems to be heavily influenced by Abulafia's school, discusses many of these concepts such as isopsephic associations. He conveys that Abulafia warns that one striving for the highest level [of which the deification such as Allah is a Kabbalistic conception], which is called the Crown, or Keter (Kaf, Tau, Resh}, must be careful, lest he be 'cut off' (Karet as Kaf, Resh, Tau). He notes that both words contain the same letters, and the exact same idea is also mentioned a number of times in Tzayach's work.

Even more obvious is an interpretation of the Hebrew word for 'letters', which is Otioh (Aleph, Vav, Tau, Yod, Vav, Tau). The word can be divided into two, spelling out Tau, Aleph, 'a line of Alef' amd Tau, Yod, 'a line line of Yod (=10).

This is siad to be indicative if a strong relationship between the letters of the alphabet and the ten digits [as the Arabic numerals, the characters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, introduced into general Western use since the 12th century.] A virtually identical discussion of this is found both in Abulafia's Or HaSekhel and in Tzayach's Tzeror HaChaim. [© 1982, Rabbi Aryan Kaplan, Meditation & Kabbalah, p 159]

Rabbi Kaplan goes on convey Rabbi Tzayach's fascinating discussion of magic squares which allude to the highest and most concealed concepts, and their use within amulets. Many references can be found in writings of contemporary and leading Kabbalists, such as Rabbi Joseph Tirshom's circa 1550 CE manuscript Shoshan Yesod Olam (The Rose, Foundation of the Universe), Rabbi Eliahu Baal Shem Tov's (1537-1653 CE) Toledot Adam (Generation of Adam) and Rabbi Isaiah Horowitz's (1560-1630 CE) Sh'nei Luchot HaB'rit (Two Tablets of the Covenant) discusses the magic square in relation to the mysteries of creation.

He describes a remarkable prayer as chant involving the ten sefirot (10 Numbers) which are further associated to the Divine Names of God, namely:

#1 - Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, Crown me (Keter).
#2 - Yah, grant me Wisdom (Chokhmah).
#3 - Elohim Chaim, grant me understanding (Binah).
#4 - El, with the right hand of His love, make me great (Chesed).
#5 - Elohim, from the Terror of his Judgment, protect me (Gevurah).
#6 - YHVH, with His mercy, grant me Beauty (Tiferet).
#7 - Adonoy Tzevaot, watch me Forever (Netzach).
#8 - Elohim Tzevaot, grant be beatitude from His Splendor (Hod).
#9 - El Chai, make his covenant my Foundation (Yesod).
#0 - Adonoy, open my lips and my mouth will speak of Your praise (Malkhut).
From Rabbi Tzayach there exists a large body of Responsa as mystical works in manuscript, over which he is known to have corresponded with the leading religious leaders of that time. In his discussion of magic squares, he asserts that these numerical arrays were well-known to the ancient Kabbalists as having a symbolic and implied chronological relationship with the then known visible planets: Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, sustained by a system of mathematical thought re-introduced to the western world by Emmanuel Moschopulus, who in circa 1460 CE published a mathematical theory behind them. [© 1982, Rabbi Aryan Kaplan, Meditation & Kabbalah, p 165-166]

And which is very similar to alchemy and the ancient astrology as the most pseudo-scientific of any variety of the magic arts [cf: Trachtenberg 'Jewish Magic & Superstition', 1987:249] then practiced throughout Egypt, India and China--a 5,000 year old civilisation comprising some 56 ethnic groups, with Australian contact understood to have occurred in circa 1420 CE.

Thus to draw on this ****ogy of a relationship existing between the Hebrew letters, the Arabic numbers, the Western Calendar and the 3(3²+1)/2 = #15 and 9(9²+1)/2 = #369 Magic Squares mentioned below. We see the following:

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
25 26 27 28 29 30 1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31 1 2 3 4 5

May2004

A total lunar eclipse occurred in this morning of the 5th May, 2004 which is the Yod position on the calendar. According to the Sydney Observatory astronomy curator Dr Nick Lomb, the eclipse began about 4.45am (AEST), with the moon becoming fully immersed in Earth's shadow by 5.52am (AEST). Dr Lomb said the eclipse, which will not be seen for another three years, was especially spectacular due to the brightness of Earth's atmosphere. "We could still see a red glow from the Earth," he said.
He said a comet, known as Linear, could also be seen through telescopes. The next lunar eclipse will be on August 28, 2007 [#22, #74, #56, #66 - Strategic Reversal/ Putting Oneself Behind/ #36, #46 {(Nature amended in its Nature / Autonomous Nature)}]. The last total eclipse of the moon was seen in July, 2000." [Courtesy: The Australian On-line 5 May, 2004 <http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/>]

When applied to the larger vMeme/Moment #369 mathematical Matrix to 9th letter (TETH, THETA #9, #20, #1) as the natural sequence of the Hebrew taxonomy and the celestial hierarchy.

Which, when arrayed as a (3 x 7) matrix is in effect a treatise on the quadruple form #369 Matrix as 'a priori' or polemic on the First Cause and Divine Providence, to which the chronological and theological conception: Ages of the World (cf: 'the end-SUNTELEIA of the world-AION' [Matthew 13:34-43]) and an ontological overlay as the generations from Adam to the sons of Jacob, is historically applied as retort to hymeneal mystical practice as idolatry. [cf: 4Q180 - The Ages of the World, Frag 1:1-5 + 4Q181 Frag. 2:1; Genesis 49:1; Psalm 78:1-8]

This occured as follows:

Angel / Daemon Haziel = May 1-5 [#12, #27, #79, #79 - Recognizing Agreements/ Keep Your Obligations /#12 - vGreen/Yod on Lunar Eclipse of 5 May 2004, #70) {Equity/ Autonomous Nature} (Nature contains Nature)]
Isopsephy: Detha - Long; Hestia - Hearth; House; altar; household, family

Latin: Protector Alt: Namamyah {From God}] {
'Vision of God/That sees God'; Son of Shimei 'Renowned/That hears or obeys; my reputation; my fame' [1 Chronicles 23:9];

1. HELPS KEEP PROMISES & OBTAIN THE FRIEND-SHIP OF THE GREAT
2. GOOD FAITH
3. SINCERITY & FAITH
}

Before advancing to the next sequential being 'Yod' position within our #369 vMeme/Moment Matrix, being:
Angel / Daemon Aladiah = May 6-10 [#79, #26, #30, #9 - The Inconstancy of Achievement/ Practising Placidity/ #13, #69] {26J 5W - FOCUS = Ratio/ Totality of Nature (Nature rejoices in its Nature)}
Isopsephy: Gala - Milk
(YOD, IOTA #10, #30, #2)

Latin: Animus Alt: Yeielel {Howl to God}] {
1. HELPS HIDE THAT WHICH ONE DOES NOT WISH TO REVEAL, SECRETS
2. PLAGUE & RABIES
3. HEALING
} [Isaiah 58:6-12; Titus 1:1-3; Job 34:10-23]

Consistent with the [The Targum Neofiti 1:Genesis 49:23 & Qohelet 10:11] of circa 1504 CE, which records a strange Hebrew idiom ‘third or threefold tongue’ or ‘western’ as a synonym for slanderous or calumnious language: “They spoke calumnious language (ie. third tongue as speech) against him in the palace of Pharaoh {that disperses; that spoils}, which was more harassing (ie. persecuting) for him than arrows.� [Genesis 49:23]

It appears that the letter (TETH, THETA #9, #20, #1) may also be both directly assigned and attributed with a further association to the following matrix entries:
Angel / Daemon Seheiah = Aug 7-12 [#40, #40, #32, #42 - Generating Things/ Reason's Modifications/ #33 Solar Eclipse on Wednesday 11 August 1999, #49] {Sphere? (Form of Nature)} (FINAL NUN, TETH, PSI #9, #700, #90)
Isopsephy: Pistis - Trust, faith; Meirakion - Boy, young man (under 21yo)

Latin: Salus Alt: Alamyah {Vigor of God}] {
1. PROTECTS AGAINST FIRE RUIN & COLLAPSE
2. HEALTH & LONGEVITY
3. PRUDENCE
4. Sethacer
}

And to the pagan notion of the moon deity cir***scribed by the ANGEL {Gabriel (Pi-Ioh) / Gabriel - God is my Strength} and Toth [#51, #66, #77, #37 - Non-Deeming Action/ Adminstration of Government /#73, #9] {Autonomous Nature - Thathiel / Thothouthoth as Greek Angelic and taxonomical assignments}
Thus to address your second point: "Toth was an Egyptian god of wisdom, and I simply don't see how he compares with Gabriel. Tammuz was the Assyrian/Babylonian god who dies and rises again. People have compared him to Jesus, but I am not sure why anybody would compare him to Gabriel. Serap[h]is was a god of fertility and of the dead, and, again, I don't see any connection." ["KENADIAN" <kenadian@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:2Filc.47697$1x7.29182@nntp-post.primus.ca...]

Gustav Davidson in his 1967 edition of 'A Dictionary of Angels -- including the fallen Angels' describes Gabriel {'God is my Strength'} as follows:

'One of the two highest ranking angels in Judaeo-Christian and Mohammedan religious lore {
ie. As this Angel / Daemon is frequently assigned by such lore to the sphere of the Moon (#369 - #15 = 354 days of the typical lunar cycle), I would imagine Michael {'Who is as God?, Tutelary Prince of Israel, Angel of repentance'} [#52, #67, #36, #36 - Natural Reversals/ The 'Secret' Explanation)/ #64, #18] {Form of Nature} is assigned to the pre-eminant chronological notion/position as the annual solar topical year. Thus we could call #369 Michael and #9 Gabriel to show this relationship.
} He is the angel of annunication {ie. the act of announcing, proclaiming viz Mary's impeding birth}, resurrection, mercy, vengeance, death and revelation {ie. making known the prophetic wisdom and therefore in this attributed regard, functionally bears a resemblance to the Egyptian deification Toth, the Assyrian/Babylonian deification Tammuz and the Greek deification Seraphis}. Apart from Michael, he is the only angel mentioned by name in the Old testament--unless we include among the Old Testament books the Book of Tobit {Note: I can't recall if fragments of this book were also found amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls}, usually considered apocryphal, in which case Raphael {'God has healed, Angel of healing, science and knowledge'} [#61, #73, #57, #6 - The Superiority of the Female/ The Completion of Form/ #46, #36], who appears there, becomes the 3rd-named angel in Scriptures.

Gabriel presides over Paradise, and although he is the ruling prince of the 1st Heaven, he is said to sit on the left-hand side of God (whose dwelling is popularly believed to be the 7th Heaven, or the 10th Heaven). Mohammend claimed it was Gabriel (Jibril in Islamic) of the '140 pairs of wings' who dictated to him the Koran, sura by sura.

The the Mohammedans, Gabriel is the spirit of truth {
ie. By Isopsephy this #330 value equates with the word Ison(omia) - 'Equilibrium, equal distribution, balance, equality of political rights'; the Arch-Angel/Daemon influence of Mitzrael - 'Who induces obedience on the part of inferiors towards superiors' as a relationship to the Divine Name of God Shemhamphorae (#73 - Employing Deeming/ Daring to Act) and within the Aten based Egyptian occultic practice which pervaded the early 20th Century as HRUMACHIS - 'The Holy Spirit of Truth and Justice'.
}. In Jewish legend it was Gabriel who dealt death and destruction to the sinful cities of the plain (Sodom {their secret; their cement} and Gomorrah {rebellious people; Mary='rebellion'} among them). And it was gabriel who, according tothe Talmud Sanhedrin 95b, smote Sennacherib's {bramble of destruction} hosts 'with a sharpened scythe which had been ready since Creation.'

Elsewhere in the Talmud it is Gabriel who, it is said, prevented Queen Vashti {that drinks; thread} from appearing ***** before King Ahasuerus {prince; head; chief} / Artaxerxes {the silence of light; fervent to spoil} amd his guests in order to bring about the election of Esther {secret; hidden} in her place.

In [Daniel 8], Daniel {judgment of God; God my judge} falls on his face before Gabriel to learn the meaning of the encounter between the ram (The kingdom of Media / Persia) and the he-goat (Greece). Kabbalists identify Gabriel as 'the man clothed in linen' of Ezekiel chapters 9 & 10:
"...Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand. And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer’s inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brazen altar.

And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer’s inkhorn by his side; And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The LORD hath forsaken the earth, and the LORD seeth not. And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me." [Ezekiel 9:1-11]

In Daniel chapters 10 to 11 this man clothed in linen is helped by Michael. In rabbinic literature, Gabriel is the prince of justice. As for the incident of the 3 holy men (Hananiah {grace; mercy; gift of the Lord}, Mishael {who is asked for or lent}, Azariah {he that hears the Lord}) who were rescued from the furnace, it was Gabriel, according to Jewish legend, who performed this miracle.

A Mohammedan legend, growing out of the Koran, sura 20, 88 relates that when the dust from the hoofprints of Gabriel's horse was thrown into the mouth of the Golden Calf, the Calf at once became animated. According to the Encylopedia of Islam I:502, Mohammed confused Gabriel with the Holy Ghost.

The name Gabriel is of Chaldean origin {ie. associated to the symbolic A-U-M taxonomical assignments traditionally given the Hebrew letters} and was unknown to the Jews prior to the Babylonian Captivity.

According to the court testimony of Joan of Arc, it was Gabriel who inspired her to go to the succor of the King of France." [© Gustav Davidson, A Dictionary of Angels - including the fallend angels, p 117-119]
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LOL. This makes as much sense as justifications for accepting the "reality" of Israeli settlements.

QOLON NOTE:
For the public record then, I note that you wont engage in appropriate dialog on these religious subjects as accountability for the religious SPAM you continue to disseminate, which allows your absolute and yet insubsantial claim to religious belief to be appropriately examined. I note there have been several solar and lunar eclipses of late, which are chronologically a principle of absolute negation against your alternate lunar based religious practices.

I have yet to meet a Muslim who will give an answer that isn't mythical.

This is in contrast to the speed with which you will reach for your swords and take the life of the other. {ie. in which you engaged in denegation as denial and contradiction and denigration meaning to sully, defame; to blacken}

By all objective measures, the question of the intrinsic connection between the Christian Gospel as being undeniably Jewish in its origins and its association with the tabernacle of David, remains unanswered by you--You have simply stolen the religious writings of other peoples and adopted them as your own. {

eg. the resurrection of the dead as an errant belief in the religious practice derived from astological magic/mysticism: "Many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all." [Acts 19:19]

"But Elymas [a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew whose name was Bar-Jesus] the sorcerer (for so his name is translated) withstood them,
seeking to turn the proconsul [Sergius {net} Paulus] away from the faith. Then Saul {demanded; lent; ditch; death}, who also is called Paul {small; little} filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him and said, 'O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all
righteousness, will you not cease from perverting the straight ways of the Lord?" [Acts 13:8-10]

} You ought therefore to not post any further to alt.religion.christian until you can account for the consistency of this tennet of religious belief
of circa [1040-970 BCE] which is found in the Old Testament Prophets, The New Testament and the Dead Sea Scrolls.

"After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David {well beloved; dear}, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." [Acts 15:16-18]

"In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old: That they may possess the remnant of Edom {red, earthy; of blood}, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this." [Amos 9:11-12]
"I will exile the tents of your king and the foundation of your images beyond the tents of Damascus {a sack full of blood; the similitude of burning} [Amos 5:27] The books of the Law are the tents of the king, as it says, "I will re-erect the fallen tent of David' [Amos 9:11] The king is the <Leader of> the nation and the 'foundation of your images' is the books of the prophets whose words Israel despise. The star is the Interpreter of the Law who comes to Damascus, as it is written, 'A star has left Jacob, a staff has risen from Israel' [Number 24:17--A Messianic Prophecy given by Balaam {the ancient of the people; the destruction of the people}] (For an ****ogy to the Hebrew/Christian Apostle Paul as designated by Jesus Christ as the 'chosen-ekloge vessel-skeuos' within the early church [Acts 9:1-22; 23:11-15]} )"[4Q266-272 The Damascus Do***ent, Geniza B]

"The LORD-YAHWEH gave [King David circa 1040-970 BCE] a brilliant and discerning spirit, so that he wrote: psalms, three thousand six hundred; songs to sing before the altar accompanying the daily perpetual burnt offering, for all the days of the year, three hundred and sixty-four; {

The Hebrew Calendar Synchronizes as follows:
354 [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 [Intercalation] =
3 x 364 days each year [52 weeks each] =
2 x #369 vMeme/Moment calendar matrix [ie. 9(9²+1)/2] + 354 [typical lunar year] = 1092 days

Last total solar eclipse for Millennium on 11 August 1999 + 30 days
Commencement of 1092-day cycle: 354 day [typical lunar year] x 3 + 30 days [Intercalation]

1 Tishri 5760 = 11-12 September 1999 + 385 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5761 = 30 September-1 October 2000 + 353 day lunar year =

Topical year/day solar eclipse on 25 December 2000 + 6 days
2 x 9(9²+1)/2 (ie. #369 vMeme/Moment matrix) as 738 days =

1 Tishri 5762 = 18-19 September, 2001 + 354 day lunar year =
1 Tishri 5763 = 7-8 September 2002 = 1092 days
Australia's 1st Geodesic total solar eclipse 4 December 2002
Australia's 2nd Geodesic total solar eclipse 25 November 2030

} for the Sabbath offerings, fifty-two songs; and for the New Moon offerings, all the festival days, and the Day of Atonement, thirty songs. [Dead Sea Scrolls, Apocryphal Psalms of David, 11Q5 Col. 27:2-8]

"This again brings us to the location of the Foundation Stone, the focus of all spiritual forces. It was set on the crossroads of civilization, so that
all peoples should interact with these forces, and throughout history be influenced by them. In this manner, all mankind is gradually elevated by
these forces, paving the way for the ultimate rectification of the world. This will be realized in the Messianic Age, when Jerusalem becomes a center for God's teaching for all mankind, [as Isaiah the prophet said]: 'Out of Zion shall come forth the Torah, and God's word from Jerusalem.'" [Courtesy: Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan " Jerusalem: Eye of the Universe", published by the Orthodox Union <http://www.ou.org/> and obtained from Project Genesis <http://www.torah.org>].

- dolf
- <http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/telos/kabbalah/vkabbalah.html>

kenadian

what do say to an individual who will not accept his own bible? also
deny the revelation of his own god, and thus make himself greater than
god?

Genesis 12:2 (KJV) And I will make of thee [abraham] a great nation,
and I will bless thee, and make thy name great;
and thou shalt be a blessing:

Genesis 17:20 (KJV) And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I
have blessed him, and will MAKE HIM FRUITFUL, and will multiply him
exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make HIM A
GREAT NATION.

Genesis 21:13 (KJV) And also of the son of the bondwoman [ishmael],
will I make a nation, because he [is] thy seed.

Matthew 21:43 (KJV) Therefore say I [jesus] unto you, The kingdom of
God shall be taken from you, and given to a NATION BRINGING FORTH THE
FRUITS THEREOF.

handmaid was born according to the flesh, but the son by the free
woman was born through promise. 24 These things contain an allegory,
for these are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children
to *******, which is Hagar.25 For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia,
and answers to the Jerusalem that exists now, for she is in *******
with her children.